List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread - Part V

[gringo2011]

"refuse" how do you determine that?

i doubt seb refuses to chase his opponent. i remember watching him in his 1st year, clenching his jaw, in obvious pain, trying to run out the game. he didnt give up chasing anyone. he couldn't keep up but the effort was still there. he found himself, rightfully in and out of the side. meanwhile there were players like Dunstan who were playing when they probably shouldn't have been.

i remember watching him in his 2nd or 3rd season where he found his legs. his tank had improved and he could start to match it. since then he's improved with every season.

he's come a long way. from a very raw shy U18 who had inside mid capabilities, with question marks on his tank and leadership. to someone who's now captaining the side in geary's absense, winning 2x B&F's and running out games as one of our best mid's. someone who's adapted to playing outside.

he's not a match winner. he has some deficiencies. but you're kidding if he wouldn't find a spot in every other side out there. i'd love to hear one side who wouldn't have him in their best 22?

the issue is we don't have the cattle around him. seb shouldn't be your star mid. he should be the complimentary player. he's your jordan lewis. 4x premiership player. only managed all australian once. but you wouldn't consider him a match winner or star of the side.

i think we have other blokes that we have invested more in terms of salary, draft picks, etc. with a higher potential that are more of a concern.

take someone like Blake Acres, we invested a lot more in him. we gave up a good pick in a stronger draft. someone who should have been a star of the midfield. same deal with Billings, Dunstan, Gresham, Long & McKenzie. add to that list: Longer, Lee, Hickey, Goddard, McCartin.

if Seb is an issue, what's that say about the amazing work Ameet and Trout did in their head recruiter + list manager double act.

He's probably hard to compare with Lewis, he's a much higher possession getter. He's quite outside as well, I actually think he's most like younger Hannerbury in the way he plays. Ideally he'd have a Josh Kennedy to get him the ball. People tend to rate outside players much lower.

He's also our only top 50 player.

 

[st_trav_ofWA]

They got Lockett and Hall, I'm pretty sure they still owe us.

we also did sell them Tommy Walsh

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Really? 5 others had better seasons huh? Care to name those 5?

Roma, Billings, Steele, Wilkie, Dunstan, Lonie (until injury) and Savage all had better, more consistent seasons.

Not particularly interested in any smart arse retort.

Hope he comes good.


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[Crusty Undies]

Roma, Billings, Steele, Wilkie, Dunstan, Lonie (until injury) and Savage all had better, more consistent seasons.

Not particularly interested in any smart arse retort.

Hope he comes good.


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Roma maybe. Billings for the first half then definitely not for the second half. The rest lmao no. Not even close.
Smart ass retort? You're the one with a self inflated opinion of your analytical capacity telling literally the entire football world that we're all wrong because you and a couple of other salty campaigners say so.

I seriously can't believe you're deadass trying to tell me that Lonie who missed half the year, Savage the most unaccountable player on our list, Dunstan the turnover machine who got dropped for shit form at the start of the year and Steele who can't cut it without tagging someone had better years than by far our biggest accumulator, vc and the only player opposition bothered to worry about from our midfield.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I'm pretty sure that he would have got a decent pick in exchange if we'd offered him up as that third best midfielder type to a team opposite to us; a team that has a few really classy players but not much depth. But selling off our B&F winner would have been a shocking look.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Seb Ross in Josh Bruce's position next year: St Kilda not in much of a hurry to renew his contract (up in 2021), him needing extra security and needing to act while he still had value, testing the waters, finding a couple of possible keen clubs, hopefully the club getting some value out of him, (though observing how they handled the Bruce move I'd say that Gallagher is happy to sell cheap in exchange for more fluid list movement and salary cap relief). Or in the next 12 months, he adds something else to his game that makes him indispensable to us and we extend his contract in May.

Of course I'd love it if the latter came to be, but we still don't have the Rob Harvey in our team that allows him to be an Andrew Thompson and I suspect that the chances of him discovering an elite trait at this late stage is unlikely.

Seb already has an elite trate. It's just some of his other stuff that gets in the way.
Hopefully it's easier to just get stuff out of your game rather than develop a new skill..

 

[Grav]

Going to back Winmar2Lockett here especially in one particular game, which one I don’t remember but I do recall being rather pissed off when Seb failed to chase an opponent. At the time he would have probably been less than about 5mtrs. away (25mm on the telly).
Now in saying that I’m not sure what he had done beforehand & could have quite possibly been spent, but that one stuck out like dogs gonads.
In Winmars defence, google the name Seb Ross or any other footballer & they only show highlights with very little shortcomings or clangers shown.
With a new set of midfielders to back him up this year Ross (not Winmar) may not have to try and do everything on his own.

 

[sammm]

The best theory I've heard is that he would have been cheap.
Maybe they've got plans for him.

I can't say I've seen much in him

 

[sammm]

Parting gift from old mate Richo

I really think that's been the list mgt person

 

[StCicatriz]

I'd disagree with all of them bar roma which is 50/50.

Some of those players you can't be serious about.

Roma, Billings, Steele, Wilkie, Dunstan, Lonie (until injury) and Savage all had better, more consistent seasons.

Not particularly interested in any smart arse retort.

Hope he comes good.


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[Ducky Tie]

Lol at this line that Seb had bad body language on the field and is ‘not captaincy material’ because of it.

our most revered captain of the modern era had some of the worst body language a saints player has had and we all would probably have him as just about our favourite player ever.

 

[Keg on legs]

Lol at this line that Seb had bad body language on the field and is ‘not captaincy material’ because of it.

our most revered captain of the modern era had some of the worst body language a saints player has had and we all would probably have him as just about our favourite player ever.

Fair point. Though, as much as I loved Rooie, I have to say he wouldn't even be in my top 6 favourite Saints


But then again, I'm old

 

[Brains Trust66]

cant believe people are still going on about Ross , why all this hate towards him ? Why would you complain about a mid who is getting near 30 touches every game even if he does make some errors ? What about carrying on about some of the players who get nowhere near that number ? Better still stop having a go at our own players all together . We are Saints supporters , we are supposed to support every player who pulls on our jumper . Start having a go at other teams like Carlton so we can all have a laugh instead of all this in fighting .

 

[Keg on legs]

cant believe people are still going on about Ross , why all this hate towards him ? Why would you complain about a mid who is getting near 30 touches every game even if he does make some errors ? What about carrying on about some of the players who get nowhere near that number ? Better still stop having a go at our own players all together . We are Saints supporters , we are supposed to support every player who pulls on our jumper . Start having a go at other teams like Carlton so we can all have a laugh instead of all this in fighting .

Well said mate

 

[Baker_for_PM]

Yes can we all stop laying the boots into Ross and get back to putting them into Dmac like normal around here.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Yes can we all stop laying the boots into Ross and get back to putting them into Dmac like normal around here.

Finally. A cause I can get behind!

 

[gringo2011]

Roma maybe. Billings for the first half then definitely not for the second half. The rest lmao no. Not even close.
Smart ass retort? You're the one with a self inflated opinion of your analytical capacity telling literally the entire football world that we're all wrong because you and a couple of other salty campaigners say so.

I seriously can't believe you're deadass trying to tell me that Lonie who missed half the year, Savage the most unaccountable player on our list, Dunstan the turnover machine who got dropped for shit form at the start of the year and Steele who can't cut it without tagging someone had better years than by far our biggest accumulator, vc and the only player opposition bothered to worry about from our midfield.

Yeah, Lonie should have been upset he didn't win our best and fairest. Steele was my biggest disappointment this year, he dropped away when he should have stepped up. Billing had a good half of a season, Roma similar, wasn't as good after he came back from injury. Savage had a great year for him and was in our best 6 or 7 players this year. None would have been shocked to not win the B and F. Seb had a worse year than his last B and F year but he was still consistently pulling high disposal numbers when others didn't.

He's no superstar but he's comfortably in that next range of high level players like Crouch, Shiel, Rocky, Lyons, Merrett, Gaff etc. I don't get why anyone thinks that a side with a shit midfield would be better with out the best one we do have. Logic isn't always in over supply on here.

 

[gringo2011]

I really think that's been the list mgt person

Yeah considering the fans knew Richo was gone by about round 2 the club must have been more aware. I actually feel sorry for Richo, he was forced into austerity and the moment he's out the door we go on a footy department and trade period spending spree. Finnis is a good operator for anything non footy related. He seems to have finally realised that's where you need to get things right or the rest doesn't matter.

 

[gringo2011]

Going to back Winmar2Lockett here especially in one particular game, which one I don’t remember but I do recall being rather pissed off when Seb failed to chase an opponent. At the time he would have probably been less than about 5mtrs. away (25mm on the telly).
Now in saying that I’m not sure what he had done beforehand & could have quite possibly been spent, but that one stuck out like dogs gonads.
In Winmars defence, google the name Seb Ross or any other footballer & they only show highlights with very little shortcomings or clangers shown.
With a new set of midfielders to back him up this year Ross (not Winmar) may not have to try and do everything on his own.

And that's probably the reason he's regarded as a very good player and not a champion. When you go to the games and sit up on level 3 you get to see how much running the mids do. Actually how much work so many of our players do in comparison to other sides. They probably stop chasing because they've sprinted from the backline to the forward line then followed back to the middle. At some point you blow up.

The thing Richo couldn't do was transition away from our game plan that saw nearly every player move back to defence with often only one player inside the forward half. We worked much harder for much less reward than most sides. Ratts challenge will be to break the reliance on a full team press and back the players to hold position. West Coast are very good at that. They are predictable but their individuals win their contests. We were all about he swarm with Richo.

 

[Grav]

cant believe people are still going on about Ross , why all this hate towards him ? Why would you complain about a mid who is getting near 30 touches every game even if he does make some errors ? What about carrying on about some of the players who get nowhere near that number ? Better still stop having a go at our own players all together . We are Saints supporters , we are supposed to support every player who pulls on our jumper . Start having a go at other teams like Carlton so we can all have a laugh instead of all this in fighting .

Here’s three opposition players we should think of targeting.

 

[baysidesaint]

Talking to Newnes cousin during the week and saints offer to him was very low and he was resigned to the fact that he would struggle to get a game next season.
Gold Coast asked the question but he didn't want to go there.
He was happy to stay and be depth if he didn't receive a better offer from another club.

 

[bergholt]

Anyone can see our side is far stronger and if a injury happens now we will not be scrapping the barrel

Maybe not, unless it’s an injury to a tall forward or a ruck or an inside mid.

 

[bergholt]

No, FA compo does not go that far down the order.

It would have been 46 at worst.

FA compo goes to zero if the contract is small enough. Fasolo last year was zero compo, I suspect Newnes would have a similar contract to him.

 

[gringo2011]

Here’s three opposition players we should think of targeting.
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I feel sad looking at those. The one positive is our colours flatter. We should use that as a recruiting tool.

 

[bird_man]

FA compo goes to zero if the contract is small enough. Fasolo last year was zero compo, I suspect Newnes would have a similar contract to him.

Well actually Fasolo got Collingwood a 3rd round selection

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yeah considering the fans knew Richo was gone by about round 2 the club must have been more aware. I actually feel sorry for Richo, he was forced into austerity and the moment he's out the door we go on a footy department and trade period spending spree. Finnis is a good operator for anything non footy related. He seems to have finally realised that's where you need to get things right or the rest doesn't matter.

We picked up some good draft pricks last year, and good on Rich for not trying to recruit a heap of michael barlow types to try to artificially make himself look good.
Must have been like a train wreck for him as the injuries piled up.