List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread - Part V

[joop]

I am ok with using 6 on Hill.

6 and 59 for 12 and 18. Big tick
12, 18 and future 3rd for 10, Howard, Ryder and future 4th. Big tick

Pick 10, future 2nd, stuv and acres for hill and a future 3rd is a fail. We've paid overs and then gone ahead and paid overs again.

Bruce for pick 32 would be a fail

Jones for a 2nd rounder if we value acres as a future 3rd is a fail

What? That doesn't make any sense. The Howard trade that you give a big tick is impossible to achieve without splitting 6, which you were happy to use on Hill. Stop looking at the individual trades and look at the whole picture.

 

[JG22]

I still think we may have a surprise for all. It doesn't make sense why Acres is being involved when freo had already agreed to the deal. I will not be surprised if whatever we get for Acres goes to another club for that ''6th' player. Bonar/McLean ?

Doesn't seem like theres much interest at all in Aiden Bonar

 

[StCicatriz]

Why?

Jones is a better player than Acres, hence why he is worth more in a trade.

Slightly better.

If acres is going across that future 2nd shouldn't be.

 

[StCicatriz]

What? That doesn't make any sense. The Howard trade that you give a big tick is impossible to achieve without splitting 6, which you were happy to use on Hill. Stop looking at the individual trades and look at the whole picture.

I literally broke it down trade by trade on what I'm happy with. How can it not make sense...

You're trying to pin pick 6 to everything to say if I'm happy with the first two trades then I should he happy with the rest.

I'm trying to explain what I'm happy with and what I'm not happy with. For each individual trade.

 

[lewdogs]

Anyone else sick of TR raving about how great Geelong and Stephen Wells is getting Steven in for nothing?

It's a bit distasteful isn't it. Making out like they are geniuses, when the awful situation with Jack had landed him in their laps.

 

[BrutThough]

Slightly better.

If acres is going across that future 2nd shouldn't be.

You are overrating Acres a lot here.

 

[bird_man]

I am ok with using 6 on Hill.

6 and 59 for 12 and 18. Big tick
12, 18 and future 3rd for 10, Howard, Ryder and future 4th. Big tick

Pick 10, future 2nd, stuv and acres for hill and a future 3rd is a fail. We've paid overs and then gone ahead and paid overs again.

Bruce for pick 32 would be a fail

Jones for a 2nd rounder if we value acres as a future 3rd is a fail

I think you are over valuing Acres. He would not have been best 22 if not for injuries this year. He's be playing VFL round 1 IMO.

Jones is worth more.

Hill for 10, 2nd and 58 seems good to me considering what we had.

Acres for a 3rd is about as good as we can expect.

Its just really unfortunate we got screwed with Jack. I don't know what more we could have done though. I just hope we aren't paying his wage.

 

[BrutThough]

It's a bit distasteful isn't it. Making out like they are geniuses, when the awful situation with Jack had landed him in their laps.

Yep, feels inappropriate to be raving on about it especially after their long winded statement about how StKilda is just going what's best for Steven.

 

[saintsmania]

Doesn't seem like theres much interest at all in Aiden Bonar

He's only 20 and can pick him for a future 3rd I think. Giants need cap space for Whitfield, Cameron, Williams etc. It might soften the blow of Acres leaving. We ain't pushing him out to get a future 3rd in a compromised draft next year

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Trout strikes again

Like the club told me "Trout over paid the guys we already had and didn't offer enough for the players we wanted to get"

Hang on, Trout did the contracts now did he?

We should just refer to him a Lee Harvey... he's the patsy for all that's gone wrong over the past 50 years at St Kilda.

 

[CaptainRisky]

The talk of interest in a 6th player is true and can say its a club of a player that we're dealing with already in another trade of ours. BUT not 100% happening.

Slightly better.

If acres is going across that future 2nd shouldn't be.

Where do you rate Blake in saying that then ?

 

[Ducky Tie]

If we get the future third then it's a good deal. Will end up being around 45. Acres isn't worth more than that.

The fine line people create between winning and losing a trade doesn't really make sense. Yesterday when we thought the deal was Hill for 10, F2nd and 58 everyone thought that was a massive win. All that's changed is Acres for around 45 next year which is a fair swap.

 

[StCicatriz]

I think you are over valuing Acres. He would not have been best 22 if not for injuries this year. He's be playing VFL round 1 IMO.

Jones is worth more.

Hill for 10, 2nd and 58 seems good to me considering what we had.

Acres for a 3rd is about as good as we can expect.

Its just really unfortunate we got screwed with Jack. I don't know what more we could have done though. I just hope we aren't paying his wage.

Jones vs acres last 5 years. This year acres played solely forward. Jones was getting time in Clark's role. A defensive sweeper with time running though the guts. Last year acres played that role. His stats were better.

 

[StCicatriz]

Hang on, Trout did the contracts now did he?

We should just refer to him a Lee Harvey... he's the patsy for all that's gone wrong over the past 50 years at St Kilda.

Tell the club that then

Trout was the list manager. When that statement was made.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Overall the team and depth is significantly improved. The only player better than Hill in this TP is Kelly. Howard is potentially massive and I think Jines will have real impact on our game plan.

Cannot see how anyone can complain about this. We have potentially picked up 5 immediate 1st 22 players with pick 6, 59 and a future 2nd and Bruce. That borders on genius if it gets done.

If the only other car in the yard better than the Holden Ute , is a Porsche, it doesn't mean its worth as much as the Porsche.

 

[joop]

Jones vs acres last 5 years. This year acres played solely forward. Jones was getting time in Clark's role. A defensive sweeper with time running though the guts. Last year acres played that role. His stats were better.
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Godammit my eyes hurt trying to read that.

 

[lewdogs]

If Acres was going to be on 500k playing in the 2s then moving him on is good business.

 

[Stewart66]

Giving up acres for nothing after bringing him in with Pick 18

Hill was drafted for less than the dockers traded him in for which was pick 25. Which they got for the mayne compo.

We are now going to give up pick 10 plus a future 2nd plus stuv plus acres to get him

Acres going for pick 58 aka nothing. I get we are doing him a favor so that I'm ok with.

The reported Hill and Acres trades are junk. Massive overs. It can't be right.

Don’t care in the slightest to be honest , we Wanted Hill

Big fan of Blake too , but look at differently , we are changing our team over next 2 years


Wish our supporters would look at Marshall ( cost nothing ) Wilkie ( cost nothing ) when doing comparisons.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

It’s strange that they said he was back ended. Why we back ending anyone!!!

We're supposed to be back ending Bell

 

[StCicatriz]

Godammit my eyes hurt trying to read that.

Basically the only year Jones surpassed Acres was 2019. Acres out performed Jones the last 4.

The big change? Acres played solely forward this year.

I'm not a big fan of acres either. I'm a fan of Jones.

But Jones is not the superior player people think he is. I've watched him closely since he was drafted. The things people find frustrating about Blake are the same things Jones exhibits. You're just looking at a player with forward ability vs a player who is more defensive.

 

[Cornish]

Godammit my eyes hurt trying to read that.

I went straight past it CBF with that stuff.

 

[JG22]

He's only 20 and can pick him for a future 3rd I think. Giants need cap space for Whitfield, Cameron, Williams etc. It might soften the blow of Acres leaving. We ain't pushing him out to get a future 3rd in a compromised draft next year

I wouldn’t be opposed to it but apparently there’s not a great deal of interest in the big fella. We could actually use a young inside mid like him.

 

[Ricmel]

Anyone else sick of TR raving about how great Geelong and Stephen Wells is getting Steven in for nothing?

Geelong have taken advantage of a situtation and in the process insulted both Steven and StKida. Nothing to be proud of.

 

[joop]

Basically the only year Jones surpassed Acres was 2019. Acres out performed Jones the last 4.

The big change? Acres played solely forward this year.

You are such a ****ing negative campaigner.

edit: i didn't type campaigner.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

It's a bit distasteful isn't it. Making out like they are geniuses, when the awful situation with Jack had landed him in their laps.

Exactly , are they suggesting that Wells contributed to Jack's mental conditon so that he can land him?
If not , exactly what has Wells done that is so clever?