Resource 2020 Draft Watch (picks 1, 9, 20, 30, 45, 50, 60, 74) - updated R17 15/9/20

[Deaneus!]

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[Crow till I die]

Assuming, as you stated, that we draft Thilthorpe at pick 1. I'm not too concerned about our talls. Wisely we have embraced the quality over quantity philosophy when it comes to our talls. We have invested high picks on Fogarty, Thilthorpe and McAsey. Theoretically we should have most of the best 22 spine covered for the next 10 years so we just need to ensure we have the depth.

Fogarty looks like he will be at worst a decent forward and I would hope Thilthorpe would be the same if we are to use pick 1 on him. That gives us our key forwards for the next 10 years. Ideally we would have 2 in the reserves, one as a cheap back up option and one developing. Frampton is contracted for a few years and he is an ideal back up who is ready to go if needed.

Doedee is a lock as the third or fourth tall for the long term. I am very confident that McAsey will be quality defender and we will have another 3 years min to find Talia's replacement. We may already have him in Butts or Worrell but if not we can afford to take another speculative pick or two over the next couple of years (like we did with Butts) to replace them and see how they develop.

I would like to see us draft 1 tall next year, either a forward or defender depending on where Worrell settles. I don't think that we need to invest much in these players as (hopefully) Thilthorpe, McAsey and Fogarty will all be good enough players that upgrading them wont be a high priority so speculative types with late picks should do. I like the idea of staggering the drafting of our developing talls so that we always have one at each end ready to go at anytime. For example , in a couple of years once Worrell ready for AFL football, delist Frampton, Worrell becomes the ready to play backup and we draft another developing key forward to replace Worrell.

Some might have different opinions but I am happy with ROB as at least an average ruckman for the foreseeable future. Again, I think that we need to have two in the reserves, one ready to play and one developing and at the moment I think that we are one developing ruck short so I would want to draft one over the next couple of years. I'm not a huge fan of Strachan so I wouldn't be opposed to replacing him with an experienced back up but I wouldn't be spending much on it. We do have to be careful to not have too many talls on our list as playing too many in the one SANFL team can be detrimental to development, particularly with ruckman.

its possible Borlace if taken this year could develop into a fullback for us

 

[Bring back Bas]

its possible Borlace if taken this year could develop into a fullback for us

True and I wouldn't be opposed to drafting him although I'm not convinced that we do. Looking at our current picks and assuming B.Crouch departs, we would likely need to take 8 players in the draft in order to draft Borlace and that seems like a lot. Unless we trade some picks out we will use all 3 of our first rounders, pick 20 and pick 30 before matching bids on Edwards and Newchurch with our two picks in the 40's. None of those picks will be used on Borlace. Potentially we could package up pick 30 with pick 24 for a pick in the teens or trade it into next year because it may be touch and go as to whether bids come for either Edwards or Newchurch before 30. Even then we would need to draft 7 players in order to get Borlace.

 

[Crow till I die]

True and I wouldn't be opposed to drafting him although I'm not convinced that we do. Looking at our current picks and assuming B.Crouch departs, we would likely need to take 8 players in the draft in order to draft Borlace and that seems like a lot. Unless we trade some picks out we will use all 3 of our first rounders, pick 20 and pick 30 before matching bids on Edwards and Newchurch with our two picks in the 40's. None of those picks will be used on Borlace. Potentially we could package up pick 30 with pick 24 for a pick in the teens or trade it into next year because it may be touch and go as to whether bids come for either Edwards or Newchurch before 30. Even then we would need to draft 7 players in order to get Borlace.

I don't quite see it like that. I would think that we are going to try and bundle one of those picks to try and get the GWS pick as high as possible. Don't also discount using one of those picks on a player and there could even be the chance of trying to swap some picks into next years draft. FWIW. IF we get band 1 if B Crouch leaves, then I would love that GWS pick to be inside the top 10 also and if not, would look at us bundling up the pick 20 with it to do so if possible

 

[Bring back Bas]

I don't quite see it like that. I would think that we are going to try and bundle one of those picks to try and get the GWS pick as high as possible. Don't also discount using one of those picks on a player and there could even be the chance of trying to swap some picks into next years draft. FWIW. IF we get band 1 if B Crouch leaves, then I would love that GWS pick to be inside the top 10 also and if not, would look at us bundling up the pick 20 with it to do so if possible

You are right. Our draft hand could look completely different once we are done trading. The picks that I think we should be trying hardest to move are pick 64 unless we do plan on using it to match a bid on Borlace, and 30 as that looks in danger of needing to be used to match a bid on Edwards or Newchurch when our two picks in the 40's should be sufficient. The trade opportunity that stands out most to me is trading picks 20 and 30 for the Western Bulldogs' pick 12. We could also agree not to bid on JUH and they could send back a 2021 late second rounder or early third. I think that trade would be appealing to both parties. As the ladder currently stands that would give us picks 1, 2, 8, 13, Edwards, Newchurch and Borlace should we want them all with likely no deficit next year.

 

[hugecannon]

If Borlase makes it through the main draft without a bid do we get first access to him as a rookie (assuming they still keep the rookie list), like a F/S player?

 

[GrommoT]

If Borlase makes it through the main draft without a bid do we get first access to him as a rookie (assuming they still keep the rookie list), like a F/S player?

Actually, I think if we nominate him as an Academy candidate, we're committed to taking him in the main draft.

Compare this to Jackson Edwards (or was it Benny Jarman?) where we didn't nominate him and hoping to pick him up in the Rookie draft.

 

[Joey JoJo Jr Shabadoo]

You are right. Our draft hand could look completely different once we are done trading. The picks that I think we should be trying hardest to move are pick 64 unless we do plan on using it to match a bid on Borlace, and 30 as that looks in danger of needing to be used to match a bid on Edwards or Newchurch when our two picks in the 40's should be sufficient. The trade opportunity that stands out most to me is trading picks 20 and 30 for the Western Bulldogs' pick 12. We could also agree not to bid on JUH and they could send back a 2021 late second rounder or early third. I think that trade would be appealing to both parties. As the ladder currently stands that would give us picks 1, 2, 8, 13, Edwards, Newchurch and Borlace should we want them all with likely no deficit next year.

Normally you’d say no chance the dogs trade away their 1st rounder for 20 and 30, however, that would give them a significant point gain which they’ll need if a bid comes in for JUH at 1. If we ended up with 4 picks inside 15 + academy players I’ll be stoked.

All depends on where the bids come for Edwards and Newchurch. If they come too early and we’ve traded away 20 and 30 we could go into deficit. I suppose there’s always the option to trade away future picks to get more points if that were to happen.

 

[craig crowing]

I'd have taken Caldwell before Jones personally but with Caldwell's hamstring issues at the time I can only surmise our medicos might have been understandably risk averse. That said I had no problems taking Chayce where we did and still don't as I'm supremely confident he'll turn out to be a very valuable player for us with his speed and want for the contest. Free him up and let him play his own game and that applies to all our midfielders because sure as hell our current set ups aren't working too bloody well.

Although from limited knowledge I would not have taken Jones there, but happy with, accepting better knowledge and still hold out hope even though been disappointing certainly got skills and pace to come good .. But horrified when picked not only another small but one with limited upside to.
I know on reflection Duursma is obvious one missed.. But Mutineer and any other draft followers are you still hopeful of getting somewhere near our value for Ned and who were players you were hoping with that selection.

 

[Thetrader15]

Normally you’d say no chance the dogs trade away their 1st rounder for 20 and 30, however, that would give them a significant point gain which they’ll need if a bid comes in for JUH at 1. If we ended up with 4 picks inside 15 + academy players I’ll be stoked.

All depends on where the bids come for Edwards and Newchurch. If they come too early and we’ve traded away 20 and 30 we could go into deficit. I suppose there’s always the option to trade away future picks to get more points if that were to happen.

I think you'll find Port beat us to this deal for the dogs first pick.

I think they'll throw 3x2nds at them for it

 

[GreyCrow]

I'm not sure he'd had a breakout season.

If you're not sure best you check then

2016​

Crows​

20​

242​

191​

433​

66​

15​

13​

94​

2​

14​

11​

18​

77​

83​

43​

16​

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2015​

Crows​

13​

86​

64​

150​

22​

4​

2​

25​

0​

4​

4​

7​

29​

37​

20​

11​

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2014​

Crows​

10​

79​

54​

133​

22​

7​

4​

25​

0​

6​

3​

1​

28​

24​

17​

10​

That says breakout

 

[Truck25]

Cooper Stephens for Geelong and Harry Schoenberg for us.

Draftings been good talent wise but list management very average.

Just a quick question, since you follow juniors closely, in general does the predicted order of kids change much in their draft year? Or have recruiters pretty much made up their minds by then and just looking for the bolter or minor adjustments. Just trying to judge how well we can judge the talent without a Vic U18 comp this year.

 

[Mutineer]

Just a quick question, since you follow juniors closely, in general does the predicted order of kids change much in their draft year? Or have recruiters pretty much made up their minds by then and just looking for the bolter or minor adjustments. Just trying to judge how well we can judge the talent without a Vic U18 comp this year.

Not generally at the top end unless injuries intervene but then you get a few bolters especially if they have good championships or Finals campaigns in their respective competitions.etc. Players like Clayton Oliver and Sam Sturt two that come readily to mind, then you have a few players like Darcy Tucker who dropped quite significantly because he didn't have the top age year people were expecting, mind you he's been a slow burn but the last couple of seasons he's been pretty good.

 

[Mutineer]

AFL considers draft season revamp

The centrepiece of the draft season - the mid-season championships - could be on the move next year

www.afl.com.au

AFL considers draft season revamp
The centrepiece of the draft season - the mid-season championships - could be on the move next year

 

[Mutineer]

Jason Horne big in the 1st quarter for the Panthers who are shellacking the Roosters. Our NGA Blayne O'Loughlin big game for the Roosters, not sure if we have first dibs on him though?

 

[JennyTalia]

Jason Horne big in the 1st quarter for the Panthers who ate shellacking the Roosters. Our NGA Blayne O'Loughlin big game for the Roosters, not sure we have first dibs on him though?
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I hope we get him and Zane Trew. It would feel like something from the movie dodgeball to have a chayce, blayne and zane running around for us.

 

[1990crow]

Jason Horne big in the 1st quarter for the Panthers who are shellacking the Roosters. Our NGA Blayne O'Loughlin big game for the Roosters, not sure if we have first dibs on him though?
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We do

 

[Shaz2012]

We do

Any relative to the great Micky?

 

[Mutineer]

We do

You sure?

Goes to Roma Mitchell Secondary in Adelaide?

Where is he from in our country zone?

 

[GreyCrow]

Jason Horne big in the 1st quarter for the Panthers who are shellacking the Roosters. Our NGA Blayne O'Loughlin big game for the Roosters, not sure if we have first dibs on him though?
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#fotos

 

[Mego Red]

I think you'll find Port beat us to this deal for the dogs first pick.

I think they'll throw 3x2nds at them for it

If they offer 3 seconds, they probably deserve to get the pick. That's a lot to give up, especially if there is a bid on Port's academy player just before the Bulldogs first.

If it's 2 seconds, then what we offer is comparable - plus the ability to not give JUH

 

[Mego Red]

You sure?

Goes to Roma Mitchell Secondary in Adelaide?

Where is he from in our country zone?

Looks like it to me?

 

[Mutineer]

Looks like it to me?

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Plenty of indigenous lads in our Academy and only those who originated from our country zones are tied to us is my understanding of the system. i.e. those indigenous lads born outside those zones (city) not eligible only those with one parent born outside of Australia (ethnicity) or the player themselves born outside Australia?

 

[1990crow]

You sure?

Goes to Roma Mitchell Secondary in Adelaide?

Where is he from in our country zone?

My understanding is they only go into the acceleration squad if eligible

The 2020 Crows Academies Squad have been released

Boys Acceleration Squad (16-18 yo)

Leek Aleer
Luke Edwards F/S
James Borlase
Sung Ok
Tariek Newchurch
Aiden Holland
Kynen Adams
Lam Simon
Diing Akur
Kobe Wilson
Isaiah Dudley
Blayne O'Loughlin
Jacob Lochowiak
Jaiya Warrior
Brandon Jackson Martin
Lowan Welch
Mani Welch
Aaron Zerk
Jaiden Dennie Richards
Thomas Byun
Foster Mesecke
Callan McKenzie
Isaac Keeler
Ayden Pribanic
Jay Warrior
Ethan Walker
Bohdi Simms
Dante Edwards
Declan Edwards
Cooper Huish
Dale Miller

Boys Elite Talent Squad (14-15 yo)
Izayah Kean
Jed Grabia
Ashton Moir
Bowen Payne
Eli Redman
Bodie Ryan
Benjamin Ridgway
Brock Summerhayes
Lochlan Thiele
Joseph Judd
Thomas McKay
Jed Dignan
Jack Dundon
Luke Harvey
Kane McCaulife
Angus Tully
Dante Edwards
Khantrelle Fielding
Dylan McLachlan
Mackenzie Boxall
Toby Turner
Lachlan Boscence
Kobe McEntee
Lachlan Murphy
George Pope
Loch Rawlinson
Jarrell Sampson
Luca Slade
Angus van de Berg
Waylon Casey
Callum Hart

 

[Mego Red]

Plenty of indigenous lads in our Academy and only those who originated from our country zones are tied to us is my understanding of the system. i.e. those indigenous lads born outside those zones (city) not eligible only those with one parent born outside of Australia (ethnicity) or the player themselves born outside Australia?

Yeah, but he's listed with a specific set of Crows Academies players who are playing in the SANFL, including Newchurch, Edwards and Borlase.

 

[Comeonden]

When does thilthorpe play we need a key forward nothing to kick too