List Mgmt. 2020 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread

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This Part 2 Continued from Part 1: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2020-list-management-free-agency-trade-thread.1241035/ What type of players does our list need? Pace, Skill, Class and and goal threat. A winger, forward flank and forward pocket are the 3 positions that we need, plus...

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[Tundrawolf]

Surely we will be taking either Neale or Lane if available at our second pick. Emphasise forward craft and running in their early development.

I think we will be minor players in trade week, we already know what our needs are and will be looking to (or attempting to) fill them through the draft.

 

[Sweetback]

Literally Schloithe is the exact opposite personality that Freo want and/ or need. Emotionally weak, and dillusional. Somehow thinks he deserves to be in the AFL and bags Freo for delisting him.

People and Players are grown up and can make their own minds up.

Fact is he just wasn’t good enough and is now a bitter and tormented individual.

Schloithe is such a dumb campaigner. He might have got on another Afl list but the stupid ****er can’t see the correlation between behaving like a douchebag on social media and not getting picked up.

 

[blue shark]

This. We don't need to go all in to trade in a key forward or ruck, we can use a second rounder to develop a forward/ruck of our own. Screw Brown and Nank (possibly the strangest trade suggestion on this thread).

Personally leaning towards Neale but we're pretty lucky that there will hopefully be a few of these types to pick from when it's time to use our second.

Some outside run/skill with our first, a developing forward/ruck type with our second and the addition of Walker and Western would make for a very nice draft. Happy for a quiet trade period.

Really difficult to read where forward/rucks fit? But WC used pick 49 for Jamieson I think.

 

[theGav56]

This. We don't need to go all in to trade in a key forward or ruck, we can use a second rounder to develop a forward/ruck of our own. Screw Brown and Nank (possibly the strangest trade suggestion on this thread).

Personally leaning towards Neale but we're pretty lucky that there will hopefully be a few of these types to pick from when it's time to use our second.

Some outside run/skill with our first, a developing forward/ruck type with our second and the addition of Walker and Western would make for a very nice draft. Happy for a quiet trade period.

And I think at our first is a cluster of quality types who would match needs. Perkins, Henry, Carroll, O'D. A really well rounded bunch selections for us in this compromised draft.

 

[Cobbler]

Ben Brown is your traditional lead up forward starting from the goal square. Literally gives nothing else. So if that's what we need then sure why not, but Hogan could play that role.

Ben Brown is a 6 kicks 3-4 goals type forward when he's on.

If we acquire Ben Brown and then start expecting him to provide options on the wings or out of defense? Then it's a huge NO.

So for me Ben Brown comes with a game style we're trying to implement and I don't see us having a forward stay deep. So I don't see the need.

The last thing we want to do is attract players and alter their style.

 

[Docker82]

Surely we will be taking either Neale or Lane if available at our second pick. Emphasise forward craft and running in their early development.

Neale seems reasonably highly rated but Lane hasn’t been mentioned anywhere bar this board. Doesn’t mean he’s no good but he’s not going in the second round. The club won’t use a second rounder on a guy they can get in the fourth round.

Also, outside of trading up, I just don’t see how pick 28 is a live selection tbh. In fact I’d almost cut our losses and downgrade it multiple later picks in trade week.

Trading for 2021 picks if we lose one or two fringe players may give us the ability to trade back into the draft post Walker and Western bids. I think it’d be the best strategy if the club in interested in players that’ll go around the same pick or after Walker and Western.

 

[Puregold]

Surely we will be taking either Neale or Lane if available at our second pick. Emphasise forward craft and running in their early development.

Not sure Neale needs to have running emphasised with his athletics background. Would snap him up with our second in a heartbeat

 

[Dockeroo]

Surely we will be taking either Neale or Lane if available at our second pick. Emphasise forward craft and running in their early development.

Don’t disagree with your logic but the phantom draft boards etc all suggest both of those guys would be a big reach at pick 28, or indeed the second round in general. Twomey has neither in his top 40. Interestingly he didn’t have Eddie ford in his top 40 either. I’d say there’s a fair chance Lane or Neale or maybe even both will be available in the rookie draft..
edit: just realised Neale is actually in Twomeys top 40..

 

[Midnite65]

On another matter I found Buckley’s comments about big key forwards interesting and from a bloke Justin Longmuir worked very close with for two years and a club from whom we’re reportedly poaching an assistant.

“I think the way the game is played and the way it is being contested and defended, the bigger more cumbersome forwards are not your answer.” (Fox Footy)

Funny that Buckley should say that, the Collingwood forward line is their really big weakness apart from Cox who plays one good game a year the only tall forward is Miochek surrounded by smalls and midfielders and it really doesn't work if they play an offensive team. Imagine how much more effective they would be if they had a Hawkins that crashed packs and brought their samll forwards into the game

Ben Brown is your traditional lead up forward starting from the goal square. Literally gives nothing else. So if that's what we need then sure why not, but Hogan could play that role.

Ben Brown is a 6 kicks 3-4 goals type forward when he's on.

If we acquire Ben Brown and then start expecting him to provide options on the wings or out of defense? Then it's a huge NO.

So for me Ben Brown comes with a game style we're trying to implement and I don't see us having a forward stay deep. So I don't see the need.

The last thing we want to do is attract players and alter their style.

HE kicked 60+ goals 3 years in a row, we havent had anyone like that for how long? We have lot of players that can roam up to the wings, etc but where do players like Lynch, Hawkins and Dixon do the most damage?

 

[Taylor]

HE kicked 60+ goals 3 years in a row, we havent had anyone like that for how long? We have lot of players that can roam up to the wings, etc but where do players like Lynch, Hawkins and Dixon do the most damage?

Right where Taberner is playing.

Not making any point with these stats, just putting them out there.

Ben Brown kicked 21.1% of the North's score for those three years. With 22% of his kicks coming from free kicks, up 4% on his career average.

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[raffrox]

It would be the steal of the trade period.

5 clubs are in to him.

He'll pick one club and negotiations with that one club will start. You can't make him go wherever you want him to. Then the Roos will try get the best they can for a player that they have already shown the door.

 

[Taylor]

He'll pick one club and negotiations with that one club will start. You can't make him go wherever you want him to. Then the Roos will try get the best they can for a player that they have already shown the door.

This is why, and I can't stress that I don't want to lose Hogan at all, but if you're going to have Hogan and Blakely moved on as part of the Cripps and SPS trade in which we lose our first round pick this season and next but have multiple second round picks in return - we do that before any discussion on Ben Brown with North, with an in principle agreement between Brown's manager and FFC.

Then we can't trade a first for him and a second round pick feels better for a key forward that isn't being offered a contract.

 

[Paracleet]

This is why, and I can't stress that I don't want to lose Hogan at all, but if you're going to have Hogan and Blakely moved on as part of the Cripps and SPS trade in which we lose our first round pick this season and next but have multiple second round picks in return - we do that before any discussion on Ben Brown with North, with an in principle agreement between Brown's manager and FFC.

Then we can't trade a first for him and a second round pick feels better for a key forward that isn't being offered a contract.

 

[Taylor]

The rabbit hole opening is way, way above.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

If he has 10 shots at goal that’s about 5km he travels with his run up

as opposed to Lobb's 25 steps for five metres

 

[eastfreo75]

I really like our list and our aim should be to keep the team together.

Go to the draft and build our depth.

No messiahs or naughty boys traded in.

Our list management should be keeping Cerra and Brayshaw and making sure Hogan pulls his head in.

 

[blue shark]

Right where Taberner is playing.

Not making any point with these stats, just putting them out there.

Ben Brown kicked 21.1% of the North's score for those three years. With 22% of his kicks coming from free kicks, up 4% on his career average.

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Cats finally looked dangerous besides Hawkins. I think everyone would be ecstatic if Fyfe put on a similar
display.
The tall two pronged attack is traditional, but a proven formula.
Makeshift forward lines are only good for shock value, we need a long term solution.
Hogan is the enigma, do we really want to gamble on him coming good?
Pressure for spots is where the improvement can come from.
Lobb is lucky he can pinch hit in the ruck, yet O Allen does this for WC.
Cox, Logue are too good for WAFL, same with Hamling, Pearce, if all fit.
Going taller seems a logical choice.

 

[CapitalA]

as opposed to Lobb's 25 steps for five metres

Yah but Lobb can ruck and has a good field kick very good around the ground. Brown is a liability unless he is taking a set shot on goal literally all he can do.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

Not sure Neale needs to have running emphasised with his athletics background. Would snap him up with our second in a heartbeat

Want to see more of Neale so my comment is conditional...but I can't see him being AFL ready inside four years

 

[Taylor]

Cats finally looked dangerous besides Hawkins. I think everyone would be ecstatic if Fyfe put on a similar
display.
The tall two pronged attack is traditional, but a proven formula.
Makeshift forward lines are only good for shock value, we need a long term solution.
Hogan is the enigma, do we really want to gamble on him coming good?
Pressure for spots is where the improvement can come from.
Lobb is lucky he can pinch hit in the ruck, yet O Allen does this for WC.
Cox, Logue are too good for WAFL, same with Hamling, Pearce, if all fit.
Going taller seems a logical choice.

To me, Hogan is the player who will demand a key defender stand by him and chases him but also can run up the ground and get involved because he makes good choices with the ball.

Taberner has stamped his claim to that respect too, so they should both be able to roam and drag a defender out.

 

[Lach72]

Anyone get this?
apparently some stuff on Hogan in there.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

I really like our list and our aim should be to keep the team together.

Go to the draft and build our depth.

No messiahs or naughty boys traded in.

Our list management should be keeping Cerra and Brayshaw and making sure Hogan pulls his head in.

But perhaps we could do with a 'mongrel' or two ...we are pretty gentle with the opposition

 

[theGav56]

Don’t disagree with your logic but the phantom draft boards etc all suggest both of those guys would be a big reach at pick 28, or indeed the second round in general. Twomey has neither in his top 40. Interestingly he didn’t have Eddie ford in his top 40 either. I’d say there’s a fair chance Lane or Neale or maybe even both will be available in the rookie draft..
edit: just realised Neale is actually in Twomeys top 40..

Just remind me where those guys rated Sean Darcy?

 

[Scham]

But perhaps we could do with a 'mongrel' or two ...we are pretty gentle with the opposition

We can draft that though ala Serong.

 

[Van_Dyke]

Anyone get this?
apparently some stuff on Hogan in there.

Dale147 might, otherwise it usually turns up on the West's site a few hours later, will keep an eye out