List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[Stamos]

Funny, I think the AFL is.

Lot of hubbub they make over changing this rule and that, but never for any well thought out reason.

They're going to be a lot less bloated next year.

 

[Gavstar]

It's financial, not just due to Covid, but the AFL thinks Clubs are bloated.

We need to cut 2 senior players (uncontracted are Kennedy, Macreadie, Polson). Uncontracted Rookies are Moore, Phillips, and Cat B Owies.

Some interesting decisions to make, Kennedy can play a forward role and if Crippa's injured could help out in the middle.

Owies will stay wouldn't he, as it seems Cat B are a free hit and we are unlikely to bring in another 1-2.

If we have to draft two players >pick 30 they basically aren't going to play for a year or two.

 

[Stamos]

Some interesting decisions to make, Kennedy can play a forward role and if Crippa's injured could help out in the middle.

Owies will stay wouldn't he, as it seems Cat B are a free hit and we are unlikely to bring in another 1-2.

If we have to draft two players >pick 30 they basically aren't going to play for a year or two.

On Owies, I assume the only issue was waiting on the rules. As it appears, he can have another year as a Cat B.

If we don't trade a player out today, I'd give Macreadie another go, and cut Polson, Moore and Kennedy. Perhaps rookie Kennedy. Happy to give Phillips another go.

 

[Gavstar]

Could be gems in the mid-season and pss draft this year as well.

We might want to leave an additional spot open??

 

[JustaBattler]

Kemp will stroll past Kennedy/Dow/SPS/Cuningham and Murphy - he is the easiest no brainer new addition to the starting 22.
Levi will play every game ( again)

Marchbank is the biggest question mark for me - can he stay on the park....

I look forward ot seeing Fogarty play

Plowman Jones Marchbank
Docherty* Weitering Saad

TDK Cripps Ed
Walsh Williams Williamson

Martin Harry McGovern
Fisher Levi Eddie

IC: Cuningham | Kemp | Setterfield oh and Murphy of course

EM: SPS etc

 

[Eiffel 65]

This is my read on our OOC players.

Chance of being retained:
Macreadie
Kennedy

Likely gone:
Moore
Polson
Owies
Phillips

 

[BlueJet]

FB Plowman Jones Docherty
HB Williamson Weitering Saad
C Walsh Setters Williams
HF Martin McGovern Murph
FF Fisher Harry Cuningham
R TDK Cripps Ed

IC: Dow, Levi, Kennedy, Fogarty

As the year progresses you'd like to see Marchbank, Pittonet, LOB, Dow, Philp, SPS etc pressing their cases.
I think Kemp will be a slow burn, a big boy with a wonky knee should be given time to ensure his body and confidence where it needs to be.
It's not a perfect squad by any stretch but we're much better positioned to have players actually have to earn a game.

Now, if only Charlie could get a decent run at it..

 

[Number17]

Kemp will stroll past Kennedy/Dow/SPS/Cuningham and Murphy - he is the easiest no brainer new addition to the starting 22.
Levi will play every game ( again)

Marchbank is the biggest question mark for me - can he stay on the park....

I look forward ot seeing Fogarty play

Plowman Jones Marchbank
Docherty* Weitering Saad

TDK Cripps Ed
Walsh Williams Williamson

Martin Harry McGovern
Fisher Levi Eddie

IC: Cuningham | Kemp | Setterfield oh and Murphy of course

EM: SPS etc

Will Kemp stroll past those guys?
I understand he has big wraps on him and there’s a chance he’ll go past them eventually.
But he’s coming back from an ACL, hasn’t played 1 game at AFL level yet, and will not have played a game of competitive footy for over 18 months come round 1 next year.

I’m both bullish on his potential and excited to see him in action, but let’s not get carried away. He probably won’t be in our round 1 team and unless he stars in the preseason and/or VFL early, we may not see him at AFL level until mid-season and might only play a handful of games off the bench.

For the years to come after that .... anything is possible.


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[JustaBattler]

Will Kemp stroll past those guys?
I understand he has big wraps on him and there’s a chance he’ll go past them eventually.
But he’s coming back from an ACL, hasn’t played 1 game at AFL level yet, and will not have played a game of competitive footy for over 18 months come round 1 next year.

I’m both bullish on his potential and excited to see him in action, but let’s not get carried away. He probably won’t be in our round 1 team and unless he stars in the preseason and/or VFL early, we may not see him at AFL level until mid-season and might only play a handful of games off the bench.

For the years to come after that .... anything is possible.


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Strap yourself in mate- the big boy will be awesome for us.

 

[Number17]

Strap yourself in mate- the big boy will be awesome for us.

I certainly hope so. Just reminding everyone to be patient.


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[Jeremias]

I will be very surprised if Kemp is playing senior footy come round one.

Massive talent but I reckon they'll ease him into it after a lengthy stint on the sidelines.

 

[Eiffel 65]

I will be very surprised if Kemp is playing senior footy come round one.

Massive talent but I reckon they'll ease him into it after a lengthy stint on the sidelines.

I reckon they were easing him into it during the 2nd half of this year.

He'll be ready to go next season.

The reality is he's probably our best option to replace Charlie.

 

[BigBreakfast]

My concerns with Pitto is he is inept as a resting forward

He’s inept at anything other than rucking and being big.

 

[Percy2257]

Speculation. Could we trade a player out at this late stage to get another draft pick?

 

[Jeremias]

Speculation. Could we trade a player out at this late stage to get another draft pick?

Yes.

 

[Team DJ]

Speculation. Could we trade a player out at this late stage to get another draft pick?

We need to for list space purposes.
Minimum 2 have to still be moved on from the Senior List.

 

[Jimmae]

Williams won't be playing in the back 6, nor should Weitering be part of the conversation. Willo can play up on a wing.

You still need a 7th defender as part of the rotations and Newman has better IQ than most of the back 6 you named

Williams is the 7th defender, and he'll be starting games on the wing.

With Charlie out, Levi plays every game he is fit

That's still an 'if' at this point.

So, as rumoured, max 38/4/2

AFL close to list size cuts as end of trades looms

AFL club lists sizes will be cut to a minimum of 37 and a maximum of 44 players - including all rookies – next year.

www.theage.com.au

This is so disappointing if they stick to it. What they should have done is lower the minimum player total, not shift the maximum along with it. The financial reasoning is dumb (though keep in mind the financial cost of a player extends far beyond their salary).

That's why I put a rider in my post

You're plucking out one aspect though and didn't address the other points.
It doesn't matter as at the end of the day we just have opinions to bounce around.

Some will say we did great...and some will say we didn't...and hen some that will say we just did so-so.
We'll only truly know once the list is finalised and we see on-field results as to the net gain of what we did via this trade/draft period.

Dodoro killed it also when acquiring Stringer, Smith, Shiel etc. Ho did all that work out? Prey sh*t actually


EDIT: Need new keyboard. Letters missing everywhere

The net trade is the net trade is the net trade. The net changes on the playing list are not the same. I can't make it any clearer, and I'm tired of people finding new long bows to draw since the days of the Marchbank-Tuohy exchange period.

I mocked that acquisition period for Essendon, particularly the Shiel deal. Stringer was too much of a hit in hope, as was James Stewart

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, though both came relatively cheap. Bizarre to me that they didn't chase down Ben Brown

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If you'd told me at the start of this year that North would sell off Ben Brown

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in a fire sale and that Melbourne would chase him, I'd have laughed at you, yet here we are.

This is my read on our OOC players.

Chance of being retained:
Macreadie
Kennedy

Likely gone:
Moore
Polson
Owies
Phillips

There's no reason to jettison Owies - at least purely because of the new rules - as he's a cat B rookie.

I will be very surprised if Kemp is playing senior footy come round one.

Massive talent but I reckon they'll ease him into it after a lengthy stint on the sidelines.

I mean there are pre-season games for exactly this kind of reason. At this stage he'll definitely play some, and we'll know where he's at before round 1.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

After seeing what Stephenson went for I am disappointed we didn’t try and get involved.

 

[Brutalitops]

Kemp will stroll past Kennedy/Dow/SPS/Cuningham and Murphy - he is the easiest no brainer new addition to the starting 22.
Levi will play every game ( again)

Marchbank is the biggest question mark for me - can he stay on the park....

I look forward ot seeing Fogarty play

Plowman Jones Marchbank
Docherty* Weitering Saad

TDK Cripps Ed
Walsh Williams Williamson

Martin Harry McGovern
Fisher Levi Eddie

IC: Cuningham | Kemp | Setterfield oh and Murphy of course

EM: SPS etc

Cuningham over SPS? Madness.

 

[Tim H]

How can we get hold of collywobbles 2021 First round pick?

Could be a top 5 when they self destruct.

 

[Blues_Man]

How did we miss the fire sale at Collingwood ...we could have picked up Stephenson for a packet of twisties and a Mars Bar.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Expecting some players to step up next year and take over from some of our veterans, this would be my preferred side although it’s now got to the point of having generally at least 10plus players who are good enough best22 olong with quite a few kids still developing...

B-Saad Jones Plowman
B-Docherty Weitering Williamson
C-Williams Cripps Cuningham
F-Fisher Mckay Martin
F-McGovern Curnow Fogarty
R-DeKoning Setterfield Walsh
I-Casboult Curnow Dow SPS
E-Silvagni Murphy Marchbank Betts

B-Ramsay Macreadie Marchbank
B-Newman ????????? Newnes
C-O’Brien Stocker Cottrell
F-Gibbons Silvagni Honey
F-Kemp ???????? Betts
R-Pittonett Philp Murphy
I-Phillips? Kennedy? Polson??Owies??

2021 Retirements delisted/trade
1. Murphy
2. Betts
3. Casboult?
4. ??????
5. ??????
We need more developing KPD and KPF’s Ruck/Fwd Small forwards and Small defender...

 

[BigBreakfast]

How can we get hold of collywobbles 2021 First round pick?

Could be a top 5 when they self destruct.

Go over and suggest an offer to them. Go on... Dare ya’. What are ya’, chicken!

 

[CJMB]

How did we miss the fire sale at Collingwood ...we could have picked up Stephenson for a packet of twisties and a Mars Bar.

Thats an expensive packet of twisties and a Mars bar... roughly $1.25M each with a ‘5 year payment plan’...

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Damn wrong thread, was meant for best rolling 22...