List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[djw1952]

This is a football forum and discussion is its lifeblood.
No point saying you'd like to say something but then not say it, because some may not like it.

The fact is that we had all these players out of contract and for that reason alone, they're the first to be clipped.
Polson and Moore were easy, Kennedy has another chance to start again, but the misfortune is for Macreadie.

I'd suggest we have a KPD DFA in mind.

EDIT: As things stand we have 11 players off the books. That's now 8 years in a row we've clocked over double figures.

Hey Harks.......the club could have kept Kennedy on the senior list, as after you add in the three guys we got in the trades plus Gibbo promoted, and then two picks at the draft, that adds up to only 37 on the senior list after todays delistings so there must be someone they have their eye on like you said. I just wonder why they decided to push Kennedy off to be re-drafted as a rookie as they could have made this mystery guy a rookie instead........

 

[Wickzki]

as they could have made this mystery guy a rookie instead........

If we do have someone in mind he may have other suitors and it's much easier to get a contract signed when you offer someone a full list spot than a "Hey, we'll rookie you."

 

[Jimmae]

Solid KPDs can be found late, cheap, and at any age.

Look at Rowe.

Huh?

Kennedy to be re-rookied?

Have I missed a new mechanism where he can be transitioned to the rookie list?

If he makes it through the ND, PSD and DFA periods, yes.

Are mid season draft picks for 2021 selected as senior or rookie list players?

Rookie list.

AFL scraps top-20 NGA picks, new mid-season draft plan

The AFL has changed its Next Generation Academy rules for top-end talent

www.afl.com.au

 

[HARKER]

Hey Harks.......the club could have kept Kennedy on the senior list, as after you add in the three guys we got in the trades plus Gibbo promoted, and then two picks at the draft, that adds up to only 37 on the senior list after todays delistings so there must be someone they have their eye on like you said. I just wonder why they decided to push Kennedy off to be re-drafted as a rookie as they could have made this mystery guy a rookie instead........

If we're picking up DFA's, they'd go onto the main list.
As things stand we have 3 main-list spots available. 1 DFA and 2 ND draftees, should we go 38?
We also have 1 rookie spot available to us, after we take Kennedy there.

I didn't think we'd be investing in another 4 players after the trade period....but seems we are.
I'm pretty sure that they won't all be 18 year olds though. We'll be looking/have found some senior bodies.

 

[windows1]

It's 35 Seniors (including Gibbo). Kennedy has clearly been (or at least will be before the 1st List Lodgement next week) removed from the Senior List with our commitment to pick him in the rookie draft. If we count Kennedy as a rookie, we currently have:

35/3/1

With 3 senior spots (#38, #48, #78 or DFA) and 1 rookie spot available.
Also 1 spare Cat B spot if we find one.

I am somewhat concerned. We seem destined to give two year contracts to late draftees or fringe Delisted Free Agents. Really not keen on two year contracts for late draftees.

Suspect we won’t trade up now. Will use two picks and get one delisted fa (probably a key defender).

 

[BrisbaneBlue]

Just wondering how many players we will need to sign in addition to the 44? we will have on the AFL list in order to field the reserves team week in week out. I wonder whether many players would be keen to take a spot in order to get another chance. I believe they have a cap of $100k so players would also need to find a job, but with list sizes cut many would be looking to get on a AFL club list and this may be a way of bringing players to the club, developing them, and deciding whether they could be added in a years time. There will be a lot of players delisted, and maybe players like Macreadie (if not taken by another club) could have a years development without taking a main list spot. Does anyone know how many we would sign? I imagine it would be at least 10 with an option to top up from amateurs etc

 

[RoyalParade]

Sturgess? A possibility? I recall he created a bit of excitement in a practice match as a key position defender?

Ryan sturgess? Hmmm you could be onto something

 

[Juddernaut08]

Huh?


If he makes it through the ND, PSD and DFA periods, yes.


Rookie list.

AFL scraps top-20 NGA picks, new mid-season draft plan

The AFL has changed its Next Generation Academy rules for top-end talent

www.afl.com.au

Why did you quote me re: Rowe? What are you confused about?

 

[Sickblue]

Wasn’t one of his biggest knocks his kicking, and a penchant to kick to the oppo?

correct, but he’s not terrible in this area and we would not be recruiting this guy as a number 1or 2 key defender, he’s purely a back and every back up option at almost every club would have deficiencies. O. Mc would be no different and at 24 with a mature body and 80 games under his belt is good list management. Sign him and draft a kid for the longer term in the national draft.

 

[gbatman]

I'm guessing the players who have been delisted were done pending list sizes so there was probably some intent to keep them otherwise they would have been done a while back. There is no doubt they are at the bottom of the pecking order.

I would think we have kids we are looking at and are expecting they might fall to our picks this lucky dip style draft otherwise we will draft some of these players back.

I agree with all the moves however I feel if there is no desire to relist Macreadie then we may have made a mistake there unless the confidence in his body is gone. Played footy in his first season and was good before injuries for two season's put a stop to that. Not the sort of injuries you write a player off on, Williamson for example.

I think these sort of players are ideal for the new AFL reserves. Teams with short AFL lists are going to need a lot of reserves listed players. I can see a bit of on old fashion setup where players come up through a team's reserves to the senior list.

I'm hoping our VFL team list Macreadie with the intention to redraft him.

I really don't want a team of kids in our reserves. I'd much rather youngish early 20's player we are looking at drafting and some mature aged ones. I recall Hawthorn doing this a bit in their strong era.

Kennedy is a bit unlucky. He's a big slow inside midfielder who has landed at a club that has Cripps, Setterfield and Curnow, all of whom are slow to slowish and he just doesn't fit in there. He's got some footy talent, skills and a big strong body he just really needs to find some aggression which is the missing piece in his game.

 

[iAsbestos]

Just went through the delisted players list and man it is slim pickings for KP defenders even as depth.

Oscar McDonald

21

Oscar Mcdonald

Age

28

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

191.4

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.7

3star

MG

157.7

3star

D

14.8

4star

K

5.4

2star

HB

9.4

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.4

3star

MG

138.4

3star

Matt Sharenberg
Riley Grundy
Jack Maibaum
Majak Daw

28

Majak Daw

Age

33

Ht

195cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

D/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.3

2star

K

5.7

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.2

2star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

Sam Durdin

38

Sam Durdin

Age

28

Ht

199cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.7

2star

K

6.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

Logan Austin

24

Logan Austin

Age

29

Ht

196cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

172.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

8.2

2star

K

5.8

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

MG

126.8

2star

Not great reading by anyone’s standards. This is getting more concerning by the minute.

Mcdonald, Austin, Daw the only decent KPD

 

[SurreyBlue]

This is a football forum and discussion is its lifeblood.
No point saying you'd like to say something but then not say it, because some may not like it.

The fact is that we had all these players out of contract and for that reason alone, they're the first to be clipped.
Polson and Moore were easy, Kennedy has another chance to start again, but the misfortune is for Macreadie.

I'd suggest we have a KPD DFA in mind.

EDIT: As things stand we have 11 players off the books. That's now 8 years in a row we've clocked over double figures.

Kennedy is the best inside midfielder we have next to Cripps. Lose him and we are in deep water. Cripps will not have any rotational support again this year.
Setterfield is best starting midfield and is Crippa's side kick but he also needs to be rotated and supported. IMHO you need 2 with another off the bench. I would argue that maybe Stocker can be used but we all know what the coaching panel feel about this kid.

Macreade is the best developing KP defender we have and by the sounds of it, we have just got his body right. Makes no sense in delisting him. Except for Marchbank, who IMO is best 22, we have no others developing. We need at least 2 KP defenders developing. Delisting this kid is a huge mistake. Huge mistake both with quality and needs.

There are players on our list, who will add very little long terms compared to these 2. We have taken our eye off the ball long term. Will hurt.

 

[Press Box Wing]

Kennedy is the best inside midfielder we have next to Cripps. Lose him and we are in deep water. Cripps will not have any rotational support again this year.
Setterfield is best starting midfield and is Crippa's side kick but he also needs to be rotated and supported. IMHO you need 2 with another off the bench. I would argue that maybe Stocker can be used but we all know what the coaching panel feel about this kid.

What's that??

 

[Wickzki]

Solid KPDs can be found late, cheap, and at any age.

Look at Rowe.

Although Rowe was 24 when we drafted him he certainly wasn't late or cheap given we drafted him in the second round. That was an expensive price to pay for somebody who hadn't been in the system since 2007 (when he was delisted by the Swans) and had only been a rookie listed player previously.

The only part that I find accurate is that he was a mature age recruit.

 

[Gavstar]

Apparently according to Kingy, Kennedy is to good a player to be rookied.

Was he hoping Norf was going to get him as a DFA.

 

[Gethelred]

I guess having O McDonald on a really cheap, short term contract just for KPD depth in case of emergency might be OK...the issue was he was in Melbourne's best 22 for a long time and just not up to it.

It's where my mind went. Very similar to early Rowe, in that he's got to avoid being allowed to kick the ball. He's okay at the defense/athletic side of the game, but his actual footy skills and decision making is a bit shit.

 

[CarltonFan]

People are overstating the importance of a lot of KPD depth on a list. I count 6 AFL clubs that have good KPF's, these days most clubs are playing 1 KPF and a resting ruck. We dont need a lot of depth there. I think the way Austin is shaping the list mirrors what clubs look like in 2020 and im good with that.

 

[Arr0w]

People are overstating the importance of a lot of KPD depth on a list. I count 6 AFL clubs that have good KPF's, these days most clubs are playing 1 KPF and a resting ruck. We dont need a lot of depth there. I think the way Austin is shaping the list mirrors what clubs look like in 2020 and im good with that.

Let me guess, all those sides are in the 8?

 

[Wickzki]

* just delisted the one-game Cripps Stopper wonder, Dylan Clarke

37

Dylan Clarke

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

6.1

2star

HB

8.8

5star

M

1.9

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

2.3

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.0

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

9.2

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

6.6

5star

CL

3.4

5star

(will re-rookie if available).

 

[Juddernaut08]

Although Rowe was 24 when we drafted him he certainly wasn't late or cheap given we drafted him in the second round. That was an expensive price to pay for somebody who hadn't been in the system since 2007 (when he was delisted by the Swans) and had only been a rookie listed player previously.

The only part that I find accurate is that he was a mature age recruit.

My post gave 3 examples:
Jamison - late in terms of a draft and cheap
Rowe - mature age
Jones - cheap and mature age

None fit into all 3 categories, but all serve to demonstrate KPDs can be found outside of the conventional route. Same goes for small forwards.

It is much rarer for KPFs and star mids.

 

[The Bighouse]

I am somewhat concerned. We seem destined to give two year contracts to late draftees or fringe Delisted Free Agents. Really not keen on two year contracts for late draftees.

Suspect we won’t trade up now. Will use two picks and get one delisted fa (probably a key defender).

Think you can go 1yr with a DFA hence the possible attraction there. It’s up to the DFA on what contract they accept, if there’s demand.

 

[murphster]

Let me guess, all those sides are in the 8?

Hey Azz do you know anything about this Liam Kolar kid at the Knights? Why the hell aren’t we taking him as a Cat B rookie as he only switched from soccer 2 years ago, or maybe he is available as Next Gen what are the rules? Anyone?

edit: fixed

 

[Bokan]

Hey Azz do you know anything about this Liam Kolar kid at the Knights? Why the hell aren’t we taking him as a Cat B rookie as he only switched from soccer a year ago, or maybe he is available as Next Gen what are the rules? Anyone?

He was playing footy before that, it's just he didn't stop playing soccer till relatively recently

 

[F_therest]

Let me guess, all those sides are in the 8?

You could argue Richmond don't have any 'traditional' KPD's...they are all undersized and more mobile, which has helped their game style being based on running and movement.

Talking about guys like Grimes & Broad being able to hold down key roles on the big forwards...they were taught to do this, they weren't that good at it early in their careers. Recently they got Balta who is bigger, but very athletic. None of their KPD's have to be hidden or banned from kicking the ball...they can all contribute a bit offensively.

 

[Arr0w]

You could argue Richmond don't have any 'traditional' KPD's...they are all undersized and more mobile, which has helped their game style being based on running and movement.

Talking about guys like Grimes & Broad being able to hold down key roles on the big forwards...they were taught to do this, they weren't that good at it early in their careers. Recently they got Balta who is bigger, but very athletic. None of their KPD's have to be hidden or banned from kicking the ball...they can all contribute a bit offensively.

Have a look at their list, they have plenty talls at the lower level developing