List Mgmt. 2020 Trade and List Management Thread II

[Swallow_Wood]

Balls up by Rama? Yes. Should have encouraged Brown to take the three years at $750k with triggers for a fourth.

Balls up by North? Maybe.

Working on the assumption that there is more than one club interested in securing his services:

1: Brown nominates a specific club or only one club is interested
Weakens our hand significantly as we cannot start a bidding war. We accept their best offer or Brown goes to the PSD.

2: Brown is happy to go to a number of club
Strengthens our hand as a bidding war can ensue. Still a risk of not getting a decent offer and Brown walking to the PSD.


I wonder if, during their conversations with Brown and Rama if the club considered the option of retaining Brown if a suitable offer was not forthcoming, so the original offer is back on the table if there is no compelling offer from rival clubs. Couching the discussion in doing what's best for North and for Brown. Go and we get good picks and help the rebuild, you get to play finals. Stay and you may get a year or two to play in a finals team at the end of your career.

 

[year of the roo]

Who do we blame if we seriously get a sh*t return for Brown? Which it looks like it may be heading that way.

Thewlis Dish, obviously.

 

[Passmore]

Balls up by Rama? Yes. Should have encouraged Brown to take the three years at $750k with triggers for a fourth.

Balls up by North? Maybe.

Working on the assumption that there is more than one club interested in securing his services:

1: Brown nominates a specific club or only one club is interested
Weakens our hand significantly as we cannot start a bidding war. We accept their best offer or Brown goes to the PSD.

2: Brown is happy to go to a number of club
Strengthens our hand as a bidding war can ensue. Still a risk of not getting a decent offer and Brown walking to the PSD.


I wonder if, during their conversations with Brown and Rama if the club considered the option of retaining Brown if a suitable offer was not forthcoming, so the original offer is back on the table if there is no compelling offer from rival clubs. Couching the discussion in doing what's best for North and for Brown. Go and we get good picks and help the rebuild, you get to play finals. Stay and you may get a year or two to play in a finals team at the end of your career.

I think the horse has bolted on the original offer. We're unlikely to go from 3x$850 to 2x$500 and back again. If we've cut our offer so drastically, we probably think we've dodged a bullet with him not signing in the first place.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

I think the horse has bolted on the original offer. We're unlikely to go from 3x$850 to 2x$500 and back again. If we've cut our offer so drastically, we probably think we've dodged a bullet with him not signing in the first place.

If we offered him 2x$500 then that indicates that we don't rate him and then cannot expect anything more than a 2nd rounder for him. Sure, we may get more via a bidding war, but if push comes to shove we have shown our hand utterly. If it is confirmed that the 2x500 is real then yeah, we ****ed this.

 

[Tas]

What are folks thoughts on trading pick 2 & Brown for pick 6 & 7?

I reckon it's worth serious consideration, if Phillips dropping down the order is the expectation from the clubs.

6, 7, 9 & 25 to the draft.

That's possibly Phillips + Bruhn/Henry + Cox/Reid

Crows got pick 6 and GWS 1st round pick (8?) for their pick 4 last year.

I think you would need something a lot more coming our way. Pick 2 will give you either the best KPF in the comp or the best x-factor mid/fwd, good prospects lower down the ladder but not the same calibre of player.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Beware the overhyped Geelong reserves player.

Not saying I wouldn't take him, but given he went in the 30's in his draft, can't crack more than a sniff after 3 years and they are looking to bring in other mids when they could play him......it'd be a 4th round trade for mine.

Agree, it's very possible that Geelong shift him out for bugger all just to make the list numbers and cap limit.

 

[ajd9 roo]

So Saad is worth Pick 7 as a nice to have HB flanker from a non finals team but Brown isn’t worth anything inside pick 30 after kicking more goals than anyone in the three years pre Covid?

Riiiiiight.

This!

Thats some serious bias coming out from Watson.

Unfortunately for us, the couple of 'North' people we have in the media (JB and Barrett) kick us down more than anything - kind of frustrating really.

 

[Star]

I reckon its pretty apparent we'll be targeting talented young players who come cheap but still have significant upside in order to fill out our list. The names who stand out to me in this mould are Will Brodie, Peter Wright, Charlie Constable, Quinton Narkle, and Cedric Cox, although I'm sure there are others out there. All of them are likely available, would potentially add something we lack, and are in the right age bracket for our list.

That is exactly what I hope we are doing.

Grab the best 4 or 5 kids in the draft and the best 20-23yo homesick kids or those not getting an opportunity due to circumstance (not talent). Add Corr and that is a massive upgrade on the delisted 11 with a much higher ceiling. Rinse and repeat next year.

Yes there will be busts but weight of numbers should get us back on track.

 

[Star]

Beware the overhyped Geelong reserves player. Not saying I wouldn't take him, but given he went in the 30's in his draft, can't crack more than a sniff after 3 years and they are looking to bring in other mids when they could play him......it'd be a 4th round trade for mine.

Not disagreeing with any of that but one important point is he has done very well in the handful of senior games he has had.

 

[Tas]

Balls up by Rama? Yes. Should have encouraged Brown to take the three years at $750k with triggers for a fourth.

Balls up by North? Maybe.

Working on the assumption that there is more than one club interested in securing his services:

1: Brown nominates a specific club or only one club is interested
Weakens our hand significantly as we cannot start a bidding war. We accept their best offer or Brown goes to the PSD.

2: Brown is happy to go to a number of club
Strengthens our hand as a bidding war can ensue. Still a risk of not getting a decent offer and Brown walking to the PSD.


I wonder if, during their conversations with Brown and Rama if the club considered the option of retaining Brown if a suitable offer was not forthcoming, so the original offer is back on the table if there is no compelling offer from rival clubs. Couching the discussion in doing what's best for North and for Brown. Go and we get good picks and help the rebuild, you get to play finals. Stay and you may get a year or two to play in a finals team at the end of your career.

I think if Brown struggles to get a good deal and thus we don't look like getting a decent compensation then I wouldn't be surprised if we put another offer to him, I think Rama would have to fall on his sword if that was the fall-out.

I mean, if we were just haggling over money/terms we could just say lets see what the market thinks you are worth and we can look at the contract over the trade period. For us to shut the door makes it sound like there were reasons outside of the contract that were a factor. If that is the case then whatever the issue was would have to be addressed, if it all possible.

 

[giantroo]

 

[remfan101]

Here’s an interesting one. Apparently Gold Coast are looking to trade pick 5 for an experienced forward-ruck. They also have no list room and a surprisingly tight cap. How about Brown + 9 for 5, future 2nd, Brodie and Wright (we take their full salary)? That would allow GC to pay Browny enough to make the move worth his while.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

I think if Brown struggles to get a good deal and thus we don't look like getting a decent compensation then I wouldn't be surprised if we put another offer to him, I think Rama would have to fall on his sword if that was the fall-out.

I mean, if we were just haggling over money/terms we could just say lets see what the market thinks you are worth and we can look at the contract over the trade period. For us to shut the door makes it sound like there were reasons outside of the contract that were a factor. If that is the case then whatever the issue was would have to be addressed, if it all possible.

Issue is if Passmore is right we have lowballed him since the initial offer. Its hard to walk that back.

It just strikes me as poor judgement that we would low ball him, giving him no choice but to look elsewhere. I mean, here is a valuable commodity on the open market that we want to cash in on, but when push comes to shove, we won't offer more than 2 years @ $500,000 a year? What we would trade for a guy we value at that level?

If I was sitting at the table opposite Rawlings why would I offer a first round pick when Rawlings won't pay the player at anything but a slightly better than average AFL player rate? If the 2x500 is right then we ****ed this at the point that offer was tabled.

 

[Tas]

Here’s an interesting one. Apparently Gold Coast are looking to trade pick 5 for an experienced forward-ruck. They also have no list room and a surprisingly tight cap. How about Brown + 9 for 5, future 2nd, Brodie and Wright (we take their full salary)? That would allow GC to pay Browny enough to make the move worth his while.

Brown would want to go to GC, the money could be the problem.

 

[giantroo]

 

[giantroo]

AFL's shock opening play in CBA negotiations revealed

Sam Edmund has the latest.

www.sen.com.au

 

[Passmore]

Not disagreeing with any of that but one important point is he has done very well in the handful of senior games he has had.

Yeah, his numbers are good. There must be something behind the numbers to suggest his NQR. As I said, I'd have no issue picking him up, but it'd need to be in a rats and mice trade.

 

[Passmore]

If we offered him 2x$500 then that indicates that we don't rate him and then cannot expect anything more than a 2nd rounder for him. Sure, we may get more via a bidding war, but if push comes to shove we have shown our hand utterly. If it is confirmed that the 2x500 is real then yeah, we f’ed this.

I guess the danger in offering a better deal is that he might have accepted it. If we don't want him then what do you do?

 

[Pykie]

I opened that thinking this suggestion was because it would be offset by losing a free agent of decent compo.

Nope, just trade for him because they got a decent deal on Dangerfield even though they can get him for free?

Sound logic Sam.

 

[kool kangas]

Here’s an interesting one. Apparently Gold Coast are looking to trade pick 5 for an experienced forward-ruck. They also have no list room and a surprisingly tight cap. How about Brown + 9 for 5, future 2nd, Brodie and Wright (we take their full salary)? That would allow GC to pay Browny enough to make the move worth his while.

l heard somewhere that Brodie is a required player and wont be going anywhere but l dont mind the rest of the deal. As said Ben would want to move there which someone has said he's not interested in moving there...but money talks

 

[deano28]

AFL's shock opening play in CBA negotiations revealed

Sam Edmund has the latest.

www.sen.com.au

This will Put a few clubs in the hurt locker

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

This will Put a few clubs in the hurt locker

Naturally, those in the suits behind the scenes wouldn’t dare suggest as large a cut to their salaries.

 

[Carlos Herrrnandez]

Jade...let’s just say I would be surprised to read many positive comments for him from the playing group

 

[Horace]

Bang on Diceman, it was only a few years ago that Brisbane we’re so bad they were ridiculed on a daily basis and with a perception of no light at the end of the tunnel like we are now.. fast forward to 2020 and they could be playing off for a flag.

Some savvy FA recruiting coupled with shrew drafting and we’ll be back.

With you on that Shermanator. Not sure we need to draft Caro though.

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[TennisPlayerAndy]

Jade...let’s just say I would be surprised to read many positive comments for him from the playing group

He was one of the more uninspiring additions to the club in recent memory.

And we recruited Ben Davies....