List Mgmt. 2021 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Hi everyone, for those interested some great links plus the Big Footy Draft, Trade & Free Agency twitter as per below:

 

[Wolftone]

He is the one I want. Suits us to a tee.

He would be a perfect replacement for Dawson. We should do anything we can to get this kid. His kicking is elite. Yet another leftie.

I also love the name. After all I'm fond of a bit of sin. A whole lot more fun than piety. See Black Adder for proof lol.

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[LukeParkerno1]

He would be a perfect replacement for Dawson. We should do anything we can to get this kid. His kicking is elite. Yet another leftie.

I also love the name. After all I'm fond of a bit of sin. A whole lot more fun than piety. See Black Adder for proof lol.

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Unfortunately I can’t see him being there. The trade down was the right call but I doubt Sinn gets to 16 (will be 18 with bids)

 

[Swansujelly]

He would be a perfect replacement for Dawson. We should do anything we can to get this kid. His kicking is elite. Yet another leftie.

I also love the name. After all I'm fond of a bit of sin. A whole lot more fun than piety. See Black Adder for proof lol.

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[Wolftone]

OK. That’s clear, you are against reaching in the draft. Got it.



Oh reaching is now OK if its worth the risk.

This is why so many people don’t take you seriously

You deliberately took him out of context. He said he did not believe in reaching for below 1st round talent at first round pick. He then talked about snaffling a potential top 5 pick at 16. Which is not reaching, it is wishful thinking. I mean every person who thought getting a potential top 5 at 16 was not a good idea is an idiot. Those that think it can happen are dreamers and I prefer to dream than despair

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[Kiama Chris]

The pile on Sam Gray is completely misguided and unnecessary

He was asked a question and answered honestly, he shouldn’t be criticised for that. The club isn’t perfect, nor is it above criticism

FWIW James Bell isn’t AFL standard and was gifted games all season above the likes of Gray, he’s got every right to be miffed

Others on this forum have indicated that the coaches rate players according to criteria that we don't necessarily see. I for one can't see that Lloyd should finish so high in the Skilton but I accept that he does. If Gray wasn't getting games there would be reasons. We (and he of course) might not agree with those reasons but they would exist.
I always think back to Mitch Morton, kicking bags week after week in the ressies and being told that to make seniors he needed to tackle. It might be as simple as that.
Gray and Bell are both on that borderline where they go well in ressies but struggle to make an impact in seniors.
Perhaps Bell just works harder.

 

[Wolftone]

OK. That’s clear, you are against reaching in the draft. Got it.



Oh reaching is now OK if its worth the risk.

This is why so many people don’t take you seriously

Oh and you are a moderator. You are supposed to enforce the Big Footy Rules. I do believe personal insults are against those rules. This comments breaks those rules.

'This is why so many people don’t take you seriously'



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[ShireSwan]

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Highlights now up of a couple of guys who have been discussed in these here parts;
Only observation I'd make and obviously just two minutes of highlights, but Bazzo does seem to double grab a bit.

Bazzo looks like some kid you might spend a speculative pick in the 40s on ! Yuck. Don't see much there to get excited about. He'd be 3 years off a game at the Swans if he came on well.

 

[caesar88]

You forget game breakers come in very different forms. At Melbourne Max is definitely a game breaker. Same applies to Hickey and Warner here. Any player who has an X factor can be a game breaker. Petracca, Fitsch, Rivers etc.

Foot skills and good decision making are imperative in the new model mid. The old adage of he only needs to be a battering ram don't cut it anymore. The great sides all have very good decision makers in the mids. Dees are a great example. They are the one to model on. Not the older style of Cats and Hawks. Both Cats and Hawks mids got slaughtered last season. They make bad decisions, give the ball up and are far too slow. Both need an injection of speed and good decision makers.

We are building a midfield made up of sharp, quick, strong mids who make good decisions.

Mills: Can give the ball up with a lapse of concentration but field kicking is generally sound and he makes good decisions by hand and foot.

Rowbottom: A bullocker and wriggle. He sees ball gets ball. He also uses ball well. Able to extract when most would give it up as a dead ball. Hand and foot skills good.

Parker: Sometimes makes dreadful decisions both by foot and hand but field delivery is generally good. Just needs to take the better option at times not the closest. Needs to stop that indiscriminate kick out of packs.

Florent: Clever little bugger. This bloke is the classic rover in the Bartlett fashion. Run through, take ball off ruck hands and run, run, run. His decision making and delivery can let him down. Lack of concentration or understanding of what forwards want is a problem. But when he gets it right he is sensational. He also has the ability to dodge and weave through traffic. Clever.

Warner: Hard as steel and twice as dangerous as a sword. He hits packs at speed. He gets ball out or he receives and flies. Very fast and strong through the hips. Good luck tackling him. His delivery could use some tweeking but usually very good. By hand perfect.

Papley: Speed daemon out of the centre. His disposal is elite and not too many are going to catch him.

Heeney: Rarely visits the centre square these days but his ability to take the ball away from an opponent's hands is uncanny. He delivers well both by foot or hand. Makes the odd clanger due to overthinking.

Gulden: gets in, gets it, goes. His disposal is elite and his decision making is almost perfect. Draws frees, due to height. Lethal left foot. Mcdonald is going to love his delivery next season. Not to mention Bud

Campbell: Similar to Gulden. Not as aggressive. Lethal left foot. Hands are lightning. Fast, fast, fast. Mcdonald is going to love his delivery going forward. Not to mention Bud

Sheather: From what I have seen he has improved with every outing. Hard, delivers well and makes good decisions. No frills mid.

Ronke: This bloke came to the Swans as a mid not a small forward. He is better suited there as far as I am concerned. Benny is really hard in and under. Putting him back into the mids might get his confidence back. He has ability but no confidence due to ongoing injuries.


We need another player who can make good decisions, deliver and has speed as well as bulk.

But do we take a mid at 16? Possibly. But we do need a key back and the best ones are available in the front part of the draft. Our second pick will still get a pretty sound mid.



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I don't disagree with your assessments there entirely (though I think including guys like Sheather & Ronke in the midfield equation might be a stretch.) But fitting them all together into the one cohesive, functioning midfield group is another thing. It's not enough to just have big names all throughout your midfield. Look at GWS, look at the Bulldogs in the GF, dismantled by a midfield that doesn't run anywhere near as deep but functioned better.

In your list I'm seeing quite a few players destined for stardom. What that group may be lacking is a less flashy, more basic but still effective mid to balance out all of their more dynamic attributes. Another Mills basically. Not flashy but bloody reliable and kinda the glue that keeps the midfield together. Someone like that might be more easy to find in the second round, especially with Beatson's knack for finding mids deep in the draft. So I hope we use our first on a defender. I like Bazzo from the admittedly small glimpses I've seen of him/read about him, but wouldn't complain about Van Rooyen. Either way I'm not fussed. I think we're in a fortunate position with our midfield to have so many dynamic talents that we can afford to draft someone who doesn't necessarily have to be a key cog in it. That is a good spot to be in when most other teams are hoping and praying for and relying on their top pick becoming their generational talent.

 

[Wolftone]

One article says Nassiah Wanganeen-Milera would be a good fit for us.

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[Bandicoot]

Put this here, rather than former player thread, as he was cut in this list management period.

Injury-free Matt Ling keeps fingers crossed with AFL list spots at premium

After four games in four seasons at the Swans, Matt Ling is more ready to play AFL now than he was when a first round draft pick. But he is asking the same question as many of his peers: will he get another chance?

www.theage.com.au

Article does outline the rotten luck he had with injuries, including injuring his ankle on the mornnig of Sydney's flight out of NSW to avoid lockdown and missing 8 weeks.

Hope this guy gets a decent injury free run, probably at state league level next season, to show his wares.

(As an aside as with Kaiden Brand, Ling shows his professionalism, unlike Sam Gray).

The fact that he was selected at pick 14 would suggest he does have talent. The fact that he has never been able to show us that since being drafted due to one injury after another, would he be worth taking back as a rookie. I'd hate to see him go to another club and become a regular best 22 player.

 

[Kapers]

One article says Nassiah Wanganeen-Milera would be a good fit for us.

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Probably 5 picks too early, but if he lasts to our pick I would be stoked

 

[Punts]

IMO we wouldn’t have 1 elite/a grade field kick in the mid group atm

gulden when hebecomes a mid yes

 

[caesar88]

I have seen nothing of this Tyreece Leiu, but on description alone, he sounds exactly like a late-draft, Kinnear Beatson special. 194cm, 93kg who has impressed as a midfielder, defender and forward.

Tyreece Leiu Draft Profile

central.rookieme.com

His versatility might be appealing to us, based on our game plan, but especially with the impacted exposure to this year's draft class. Having different options you can fall back on as a player might make him a bit more of a "sure thing" than some of the others. Thinking he will have three times the chance of making it as others who play a single position may be a rudimentary way of looking at it, but Beatson himself did acknowledge the uncertainty around this year's class.

 

[caesar88]

IMO we wouldn’t have 1 elite kick in the mid group atm

gulden when hebecomes a mid yes

Do you really need more than one?

Melbourne won the flag without a single elite kick in their midfield (you could argue Petracca maybe on his good days but he's no Dusty or Ablett by foot)

 

[Bandicoot]

I have seen nothing of this Tyreece Leiu, but on description alone, he sounds exactly like a late-draft, Kinnear Beatson special. 194cm, 93kg who has impressed as a midfielder, defender and forward.

Tyreece Leiu Draft Profile

central.rookieme.com

His versatility might be appealing to us, based on our game plan, but especially with the impacted exposure to this year's draft class. Having different options you can fall back on as a player might make him a bit more of a "sure thing" than some of the others. Thinking he will have three times the chance of making it as others who play a single position may be a rudimentary way of looking at it, but Beatson himself did acknowledge the uncertainty around this year's class.

Certainly sounds like a likely type for our pick at 39.

 

[RedBloodBlackSwan]

Others on this forum have indicated that the coaches rate players according to criteria that we don't necessarily see. I for one can't see that Lloyd should finish so high in the Skilton but I accept that he does. If Gray wasn't getting games there would be reasons. We (and he of course) might not agree with those reasons but they would exist.
I always think back to Mitch Morton, kicking bags week after week in the ressies and being told that to make seniors he needed to tackle. It might be as simple as that.
Gray and Bell are both on that borderline where they go well in ressies but struggle to make an impact in seniors.
Perhaps Bell just works harder.

Replying to this comment but in response to whole Sam Gray discussion. I think I fall somewhere in the middle.

From what I read it sounds like Gray wasn’t as team oriented as he should have been, but my understanding from the radio interview was that he was asked a direct question and he gave an honest answer. We can’t complain that no one ever discusses what happens in the club and then complain when someone does, just because we don’t like what they say.

I reckon it is more likely than not that there is some basis in Gray’s complaint, but if there is I think it just as likely that the club decided that he wouldn’t take the feedback on (either due to mindset or ability) and so invested their time elsewhere, when resources were stretched and youth were building so well.

Not fun for Gray, he probably brought it somewhat on himself. These things happen. Accept it, learn from it and move on - that’s all anyone can do.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

When a player fails to succeed at afl (like Gray for Port) it's usually that his skill set can't find a viable place for him in a team. Rarely that same skill set can find the place elsewhere. More often that new team uncovers exactly why it wasn't viable also. Perhaps that's what the Swans were able to determine. Whatever it was....not enough pressure acts, poor tank, fitness, dedication, speed etc the swans worked out and knew it wasn't an easy fix and at 28 not worth the effort either. Honour the contract then move on. Not much point have him jump through hoops with zero chance to succeed.

 

[hairy biker]

Not sure much to be learned from the highlights, but as his name has been mentioned a bit;

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Not sure much to be learned from the highlights, but as his name has been mentioned a bit;

Better not be before pick 39

 

[anotherletdown]

One article says Nassiah Wanganeen-Milera would be a good fit for us.

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He would be a superb get... but he wont make it past Essendon's pick.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

He would be a superb get... but he wont make it past Essendon's pick.

Or a few others

 

[Bloods86]

Better not be before pick 39

I think we're going to have to use 31 on Warner if we want him, even then it's not guaranteed.

 

[Jimbo OZ]

Not sure much to be learned from the highlights, but as his name has been mentioned a bit;

Not enough to make too many judgements but I would’ve liked to have seen him run to his right at least once. Nice kick on his left though.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I think we're going to have to use 31 on Warner if we want him, even then it's not guaranteed.

Then pass no thanks

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

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