List Mgmt. 2021 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals
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All the talk has been about Angus Anderson in regard to Swan nomination, so perhaps we're overdue for a look at the other players who have been nominated.
Let's start with Felix Rogers:
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Let's start with Felix Rogers:
Rogers looks towards Gulden source of inspiration
Felix Rogers is a pocket rocket who draws inspiration from Errol Gulden and is hoping to be the next in line from the Swans Academy.
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Roll the dice on Knevitt anyone? JPK replacement by the sound of it if he comes good. Ranked in this at about our pick at 20.
AFL Draft Power Rankings: No. 1 player locked in, bolters make their moves
ESPN.com.au's expert Chris Doerre has revealed his AFL Draft Power Rankings for the month of November with South Australian prospect Jason Horne-Francis firming as North Melbourne's first ever No. 1 selection.www.espn.com.au
He’s my smokey tbh.
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The Age has a go at predicting our draft targets;
www.theage.com.au
They also list our current players by categories eg tall defender, midfielders, small/medium fwds etc and 'The order of players in the depth charts is roughly their current pecking order at the club.'
According to their list Rowbottom is our best midfielder (Parker second best), Mills is a small/medium defender, Ryan Clarke is listed before McInerney, Gulden and Warner in the mids category and Ronke ahead of Wicks in the small/medium fwd category.
Bring back Emma Quayle.
How your club stands ahead of the 2021 draft
The Age takes an in-depth look at each club’s needs ahead of the AFL national draft.
They also list our current players by categories eg tall defender, midfielders, small/medium fwds etc and 'The order of players in the depth charts is roughly their current pecking order at the club.'
According to their list Rowbottom is our best midfielder (Parker second best), Mills is a small/medium defender, Ryan Clarke is listed before McInerney, Gulden and Warner in the mids category and Ronke ahead of Wicks in the small/medium fwd category.
Bring back Emma Quayle.
Pretty awful stuff.The Age has a go at predicting our draft targets;
How your club stands ahead of the 2021 draft
The Age takes an in-depth look at each club’s needs ahead of the AFL national draft.
They also list our current players by categories eg tall defender, midfielders, small/medium fwds etc and 'The order of players in the depth charts is roughly their current pecking order at the club.'
According to their list Rowbottom is our best midfielder (Parker second best), Mills is a small/medium defender, Ryan Clarke is listed before McInerney, Gulden and Warner in the mids category and Ronke ahead of Wicks in the small/medium fwd category.
Bring back Emma Quayle.
As well as the rubbish quoted above they don't actually identify needs, they don't identify potential pick types across three picks, don't identify the likelihood of taking Anderson as a late or rookie pick.
The author has spent perhaps 10 minutes reading some other journo's idiocy and making it worse.
There's plenty to disagree about on the BF board but at least posters give a crap and THINK about it.
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I certainly do not.
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The Age has a go at predicting our draft targets;
How your club stands ahead of the 2021 draft
The Age takes an in-depth look at each club’s needs ahead of the AFL national draft.
They also list our current players by categories eg tall defender, midfielders, small/medium fwds etc and 'The order of players in the depth charts is roughly their current pecking order at the club.'
According to their list Rowbottom is our best midfielder (Parker second best), Mills is a small/medium defender, Ryan Clarke is listed before McInerney, Gulden and Warner in the mids category and Ronke ahead of Wicks in the small/medium fwd category.
Bring back Emma Quayle.
Interestingly if you look at the first handful of clubs, they seem to have got the order quite right.
Pretty obvious by the time they got to us, the sixteenth club, they just did the footy journalism equivalent of this:
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The more I think about it and after reading Kinnears piece about the draft on the Swans website, I reckon we are a chance to cobble together a deal for 31 and 39 for pick 23.
Zac Taylor and Darcy Wilmot + pick 70 which would be about pick 57 sounds like a nice day at the draft.
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Having a quick read through I think this is the worst;
Gold Coast obviously,
Midfielders: Matt Rowell, Lachie Weller, David Swallow, Noah Anderson, Ben Ainsworth, Touk Miller,
Journo 1; Hang on we've left out Touk Miller.
Journo 2; He was AA and won their B&F
Journo 1; Rightio. Behind Ainsworth sounds about right.
Just a reminder; 'The order of players in the depth charts is roughly their current pecking order at the club.'
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Just don’t draft anyone from SA.
Yet another draft ranking list...
www.foxsports.com.au
Full AFL Draft Power Rankings: The top 50 young stars of 2021 rated 1 to 50
Ranking the top 50 young stars in the AFL Draft — and the clubs that could snap them up
www.foxsports.com.au
Yet another draft ranking list...
Full AFL Draft Power Rankings: The top 50 young stars of 2021 rated 1 to 50
Ranking the top 50 young stars in the AFL Draft — and the clubs that could snap them up
How is Sonsie similar to Cotchin? Sonsie is damaging with his disposal but does not get quite as much as he should, that is the opposite of Cotchin.
They both look like a furry mammal has expired atop their heads?
I think we should draft a tall...
Mills, Stephens, Chad, Rowbottom, Campbell, Errol, JMac, Florent
We are pretty good for young mids.
Mills, Stephens, Chad, Rowbottom, Campbell, Errol, JMac, Florent
We are pretty good for young mids.
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Most games you pick:
7 defenders
7 forwards (including 2nd ruck)
1 first ruck
7 midfielders
Your list above is 8. We also have Clarke and Taylor who have most likely reached their ceilings. That is awfully thin on injury cover. I believe we will draft 3 midfielders (one may be a defender/mid), including Anderson as a Cat B Rookie, and a KPD.
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Thinking about the midfield beyond JPK and Parker, I think it will look something like:
Core trio - Mills the big-bodied, inside distributor; Rowbottom & Warner the powerful clearance specialists.
Supporting cast - Heeney (when he's in there), Gulden, Campbell, Florent, McInerney (maybe) & Stephens (hopefully), the speedy, classy and nifty distributors with the outside game.
It's a very dangerous mix I reckon if they all work out (which is no guarantee of course - Stephens the biggest unknown at this stage), but maybe the one type that is missing from that mix is a physical enforcer. Someone who can throw his body around to make life easier for the core trio and give them some license to attack, but who can also protect the lighter bodies of that supporting cast.
In short - a mid capable of playing more of a selfless role, and using his mongrel to make the midfield function better. May be able to find later in the draft too as the physical types tend to fall back in favour of the more skilful and athletically gifted mids.
On that note, notice how giddy Dittmar gets just talking about the physical side of the game at about the 8 minute mark of this interview.
Core trio - Mills the big-bodied, inside distributor; Rowbottom & Warner the powerful clearance specialists.
Supporting cast - Heeney (when he's in there), Gulden, Campbell, Florent, McInerney (maybe) & Stephens (hopefully), the speedy, classy and nifty distributors with the outside game.
It's a very dangerous mix I reckon if they all work out (which is no guarantee of course - Stephens the biggest unknown at this stage), but maybe the one type that is missing from that mix is a physical enforcer. Someone who can throw his body around to make life easier for the core trio and give them some license to attack, but who can also protect the lighter bodies of that supporting cast.
In short - a mid capable of playing more of a selfless role, and using his mongrel to make the midfield function better. May be able to find later in the draft too as the physical types tend to fall back in favour of the more skilful and athletically gifted mids.
On that note, notice how giddy Dittmar gets just talking about the physical side of the game at about the 8 minute mark of this interview.
I've been over the rankings and think I have come up with the best combination. Keep in mind that I am basing my picks on talent, and not necessarily needs, however I have also taken the latter into account during the process. I have also eliminated the academy/father son picks and have cross-referenced a number of phantom drafts as well as 'top prospects' lists and listened to a few podcasts. With that in mind, I think the best picks for us will be the following:
Pick 16 - Jason Horne-Francis
Pick 31 - Finn Callaghan
Pick 39 - Ben Hobbs
If we can then get Mac Andrew in the rookie draft then I think we would be pretty happy.
Pick 16 - Jason Horne-Francis
Pick 31 - Finn Callaghan
Pick 39 - Ben Hobbs
If we can then get Mac Andrew in the rookie draft then I think we would be pretty happy.
I agree that we need a powerhouse mid for life after JPK.
And I agree that Dittmar would be a solid late-draft pick.
But I’m still clinging to the hope of Sheldrick in the white with red V.
Having said that, he’s moving up phantom drafts into “Geelong territory”. The ABC has him at 22.
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news - but it ain’t happening til Wednesday
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I agree that we need a powerhouse mid for life after JPK.
And I agree that Dittmar would be a solid late-draft pick.
But I’m still clinging to the hope of Sheldrick in the white with red V.
Having said that, he’s moving up phantom drafts into “Geelong territory”. The ABC has him at 22.
Yeah they sound like very similar players, but Sheldrick is almost universally rated higher. Perhaps our interest in Dittmar is purely as insurance, in the event that any of our first-choice mids are already gone.
Let me put it this way, I think I have more confidence that we could put Papley, Fox, Hayward, Wicks, COR (or a swap with Cunners), even Blakey, even Taylor based on reserves form, into the mids a bit, and bump everyone ahead of them up by a few minutes as injury cover, over the next few years - than I am that we're guaranteed to have 2-3 consistent AFL level KPDs out of Melican, BOC, Gould, Paddy. And yeah, we'll be drafting a couple of mids anyway.
So yep, 2 "smalls" and a KPD at the national draft sounds about right. Then Anderson, then I guess we might not take anyone else at the rookie draft if we're planning on grabbing Paddy in the SSPPSPSPS5.
For the statistically minded among us, my multi-variate regression analysis indicates the following probabilities:
* draft a player with a mullet : 74%
* draft an Arlo or Mitchito : 6%
* draft a speedy half-back flanker : 67%
* swaps picks 31+39 for 25 & use it on speedy half back flanker : 16%
* drafted player is compared to Archie Perkins due to alleged “laid back nature” : 36%
* bigfooty passes judgement immediately upon draftee’s career prospects: 100%
* draft a player with a mullet : 74%
* draft an Arlo or Mitchito : 6%
* draft a speedy half-back flanker : 67%
* swaps picks 31+39 for 25 & use it on speedy half back flanker : 16%
* drafted player is compared to Archie Perkins due to alleged “laid back nature” : 36%
* bigfooty passes judgement immediately upon draftee’s career prospects: 100%
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Whilst not a mullet fan as such, they are a vast improvement on the manbun or (worse) topknot.
*First Round
Some of us will have the combined experience of being unhappy and stewing over our 1st pick, as well as speculating about our others for an extra day!
Of course, wouldn't surprise me if the club gets towards our pick, having kept us all in suspense throughout the 1st round, then has a wanted player taken off the board, trades out of the first round and leaves us with all our picks on Thursday.
FWIW - Last night I had a dream where we took 3 players who no-one had any idea about, no one had mentioned, even the media writers were struggling to provide any detail. They were all massive 'reaches'. One had been playing in the QAFL, that's the most specific detail I can recall.
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