List Mgmt. 2021 List Management

[HereComesJuddy]

Which of the following do we seriously consider adding to our list in 2022.

Dunstan


Cerra

Talia or Crouch

Hawks eye Docker; experienced Crows up for grabs

Matt Crouch and Daniel Talia will be allowed to walk from Adelaide if their free agency compensation is appropriate, while Fremantle’s Lachie Schultz is on Hawthorn’s radar.

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Dunstan as a FA would be a good get depending on cost. Lipinski can't get into the dogs best 22 and could come cheap.

Freo would ask for more than our 1st for Cerra in which I wouldn't do.

Best available at the draft.

Try and grab a young kpd from a top club not getting a game on the cheap.

 

[norway blue]

I did like the Blue Abroad with Luke Power

Luke Power

Age

45

Ht

180cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.0

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

9.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.9

5star

CL

1.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

16.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.0

4star

. Answered all the questions and seemed composed and sure . He’s got pedigree


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[Malifice]

I know this is going to be controversial, but I'd actually go the other way to Leppa (keep the list together) and make some harsh calls on senior players this year.

There is consensus around Murphy, Casboult and to a lesser extent Newnes and Betts (but he's borderline due to better form this year) but I'd be also tempted to delist Ed.

I know thats really harsh on Curnow (he's coming off a high pacing in the BnF, and is one of our mature bodies in the guts), but I just feel like it needs to be done. He's 32 this year in November, and his disposal hurts us (long hack kicks) in anything other than wet conditions (where to be fair, he shines).

He's a great tagger, but I feel we can throw anyone into that role (Stocker perhaps, who has shown a decent amount of mongrel, and it'll see him learn from the best as he transitions to a midfield role).

We likely free up around 500k PA as well delisting him; and delisting all 5 probably frees up around the 2 million mark in cap space.

The upside of it is we get to make a free agency and trade raid on someone like Kelly and/or Cerra.

Im really torn on this one.

 

[Red_man2008]

I know this is going to be controversial, but I'd actually go the other way to Leppa (keep the list together) and make some harsh calls on senior players this year.

There is consensus around Murphy, Casboult and to a lesser extent Newnes and Betts (but he's borderline due to better form this year) but I'd be also tempted to delist Ed.

I know thats really harsh on Curnow (he's coming off a high pacing in the BnF, and is one of our mature bodies in the guts), but I just feel like it needs to be done. He's 32 this year in November, and his disposal hurts us (long hack kicks) in anything other than wet conditions (where to be fair, he shines).

He's a great tagger, but I feel we can throw anyone into that role (Stocker perhaps, who has shown a decent amount of mongrel, and it'll see him learn from the best as he transitions to a midfield role).

We likely free up around 500k PA as well delisting him; and delisting all 5 probably frees up around the 2 million mark in cap space.

The upside of it is we get to make a free agency and trade raid on someone like Kelly and/or Cerra.

Im really torn on this one.

I think Ed getting another year would be great for Charlie. Ed needs to play on ball to be his most effective but we’re clearly looking at developing Dow and Kennedy and teaching our entire midfield to run both ways rather than it just being Ed. I like a tagger in the midfield but it goes against development of others.

 

[smashbox gill]

Reckon he's already shown enough. Small sample but enough to keep as depth unless club finds a better (experienced) alternative.

I agree looked good in preseason and sort of fits our need for that back up KP/2nd ruck.
He’s athletic and versatile and can chop out in the ruck. He’s a serviceable option until we develop another

 

[Garters]

I know this is going to be controversial, but I'd actually go the other way to Leppa (keep the list together) and make some harsh calls on senior players this year.

There is consensus around Murphy, Casboult and to a lesser extent Newnes and Betts (but he's borderline due to better form this year) but I'd be also tempted to delist Ed.

I know thats really harsh on Curnow (he's coming off a high pacing in the BnF, and is one of our mature bodies in the guts), but I just feel like it needs to be done. He's 32 this year in November, and his disposal hurts us (long hack kicks) in anything other than wet conditions (where to be fair, he shines).

He's a great tagger, but I feel we can throw anyone into that role (Stocker perhaps, who has shown a decent amount of mongrel, and it'll see him learn from the best as he transitions to a midfield role).

We likely free up around 500k PA as well delisting him; and delisting all 5 probably frees up around the 2 million mark in cap space.

The upside of it is we get to make a free agency and trade raid on someone like Kelly and/or Cerra.

Im really torn on this one.

I think you're right, I think this is where I am leaning as well. You see the sharp rise esp this year across clubs when you have a youth driven group that are given agency. I get a feeling that with that old guard at the top it is preventing the next tier down from really being able to aggressively own their results and club results. Time to transition aggressively to the next generation. They have had enough time in the system to shoulder the responsibility and it will prob increase their hunger/output.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

Crouch averages 28 possessions across his career, he's also had 40+ 7 times, which is more than all of our midfielders combined.
Cripps: 0 (PB 39)
Walsh: 0 (PB 38)
Murphy: 0 (PB 39)
Curnow: 0 (PB 38)

Are we lacking an accumulator? Feel like every side has them except us.. If we could get him for $450-$550k and a 2nd rounder I think it's a no-brainer. Even if it's a late first round (i.e we split our early pick into a couple late firsts)

How much is he worth? Does an accumulator add anything to our side? Does this stunt Dow and Kennedy if we did elect to grab him, or would someone like he or Tom Mitchell just become the replacement for Curnow/Murphy?

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I think you're right, I think this is where I am leaning as well. You see the sharp rise esp this year across clubs when you have a youth driven group that are given agency. I get a feeling that with that old guard at the top it is preventing the next tier down from really being able to aggressively own their results and club results. Time to transition aggressively to the next generation. They have had enough time in the system to shoulder the responsibility and it will prob increase their hunger/output.

A rise to where though? No good team are being driven by their younger players. You could argue Sydney but their good performances aren’t driven by new players into the system really and their team isn’t that different to last year atm. I can’t really think of a club who has had a big changing of the guard outside of Hawthorn. Sydney haven’t really gone any younger with their leadership group, ours is probably younger and will be again next season simply by natural progression.
Cas, Murphy are as good as gone imo. Betts is probably 50/50 but if he is kept I’d be guessing that had more to do with us believing that will help the younger players then what he is going to produce. Curnow has already been sacrificed for younger players. Newnes has started to be dropped. I think these changes have already happened.

 

[morningbrown]

Crouch averages 28 possessions across his career, he's also had 40+ 7 times, which is more than all of our midfielders combined.
Cripps: 0 (PB 39)
Walsh: 0 (PB 38)
Murphy: 0 (PB 39)
Curnow: 0 (PB 38)

Are we lacking an accumulator? Feel like every side has them except us.. If we could get him for $450-$550k and a 2nd rounder I think it's a no-brainer. Even if it's a late first round (i.e we split our early pick into a couple late firsts)

How much is he worth? Does an accumulator add anything to our side? Does this stunt Dow and Kennedy if we did elect to grab him, or would someone like he or Tom Mitchell just become the replacement for Curnow/Murphy?

Matt Crouch is the ultimate crab. 40 possessions for zero effect. His metres gained would have to be the worst in the league. Pass.

 

[katmanblue]

I know this is going to be controversial, but I'd actually go the other way to Leppa (keep the list together) and make some harsh calls on senior players this year.

There is consensus around Murphy, Casboult and to a lesser extent Newnes and Betts (but he's borderline due to better form this year) but I'd be also tempted to delist Ed.

I know thats really harsh on Curnow (he's coming off a high pacing in the BnF, and is one of our mature bodies in the guts), but I just feel like it needs to be done. He's 32 this year in November, and his disposal hurts us (long hack kicks) in anything other than wet conditions (where to be fair, he shines).

He's a great tagger, but I feel we can throw anyone into that role (Stocker perhaps, who has shown a decent amount of mongrel, and it'll see him learn from the best as he transitions to a midfield role).

We likely free up around 500k PA as well delisting him; and delisting all 5 probably frees up around the 2 million mark in cap space.

The upside of it is we get to make a free agency and trade raid on someone like Kelly and/or Cerra.

Im really torn on this one.

Just let Ed play VFL all year as backup. Can protect the likes of Carroll, Philp, Ramsay and LOB a bit. Let them develop without getting smashed every week.

 

[macky99]

Crouch averages 28 possessions across his career, he's also had 40+ 7 times, which is more than all of our midfielders combined.
Cripps: 0 (PB 39)
Walsh: 0 (PB 38)
Murphy: 0 (PB 39)
Curnow: 0 (PB 38)

Are we lacking an accumulator? Feel like every side has them except us.. If we could get him for $450-$550k and a 2nd rounder I think it's a no-brainer. Even if it's a late first round (i.e we split our early pick into a couple late firsts)

How much is he worth? Does an accumulator add anything to our side? Does this stunt Dow and Kennedy if we did elect to grab him, or would someone like he or Tom Mitchell just become the replacement for Curnow/Murphy?

We gave away pick 8 last year, l do not think it is good practice to give away early picks, when normally the quality of the draft is at the high end, we should be able to pick a quality long term mid-fielder via the draft this year, do not see any point giving a early pick away this year unless there is something exceptional.

 

[Stamos]

I know this is going to be controversial, but I'd actually go the other way to Leppa (keep the list together) and make some harsh calls on senior players this year.

There is consensus around Murphy, Casboult and to a lesser extent Newnes and Betts (but he's borderline due to better form this year) but I'd be also tempted to delist Ed.

I know thats really harsh on Curnow (he's coming off a high pacing in the BnF, and is one of our mature bodies in the guts), but I just feel like it needs to be done. He's 32 this year in November, and his disposal hurts us (long hack kicks) in anything other than wet conditions (where to be fair, he shines).

He's a great tagger, but I feel we can throw anyone into that role (Stocker perhaps, who has shown a decent amount of mongrel, and it'll see him learn from the best as he transitions to a midfield role).

We likely free up around 500k PA as well delisting him; and delisting all 5 probably frees up around the 2 million mark in cap space.

The upside of it is we get to make a free agency and trade raid on someone like Kelly and/or Cerra.

Im really torn on this one.

I wouldn't consider retiring off the older players to be the opposite of 'keeping the list together'.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

That's the opposite of courageous. Bailing on him and shipping him off is a cowardly loss of faith.

It's not personal, just business.

 

[Smegger]

It's not personal, just business.

Won't happen because he's got the potential to be THE most damaging player in the AFL.

 

[Original Moody Blue]

Won't happen because he's got the potential to be THE most damaging player in the AFL.

Agree it won't happen, because the decision would be a career-ender for anybody that organised it.

He has played 58 games in 6 seasons. The last senior game he played in was Round 15, 2019. It is yet to be seen whether his knee will stand up to the jarring, and crunching that all AFL players experience in a game along with the inevitable fatigue that will come from not having played any match footy for 2 years. Just remember, his injury is not a normal knee issue, but rather a combination of injuries. I truly wish he succeeds, but he has a huge mountain to climb. Let's hope he is not rushed back into the team too quickly.

 

[Smegger]

Agree it won't happen, because the decision would be a career-ender for anybody that organised it.

He has played 58 games in 6 seasons. The last senior game he played in was Round 15, 2019. It is yet to be seen whether his knee will stand up to the jarring, and crunching that all AFL players experience in a game along with the inevitable fatigue that will come from not having played any match footy for 2 years. Just remember, his injury is not a normal knee issue, but rather a combination of injuries. I truly wish he succeeds, but he has a huge mountain to climb. Let's hope he is not rushed back into the team too quickly.

Understand where your coming from re concerns. If there were any chance of a trade the interested club/s would do extensive medical assessments.
Anything serious then he's not worth much. If there isn't anything serious then i highly doubt Carlton would even consider it. Trading because he might have future issues leads back to SkyhorseTamer's post.

 

[Wickzki]

There is consensus around Murphy, Casboult and to a lesser extent Newnes and Betts (but he's borderline due to better form this year) but I'd be also tempted to delist Ed.

Interesting you post this. A couple of my usual suspects for intel (gave me the Harry contract talk info that was published in The Age the day or so later) suggested that Ed may be our VFL captain (/ non-FD cap coach) next year. No idea if this was just a random discussion and there's nothing more to it but I found it interesting.

 

[Zlatan]

Well of course you wouldn't. It would be the most courageous decision any recruiting manager would make. Better he stay with us for another 3 years and play 10 games.

Charlie is the only one of our injury prone players I want to persist with, only because of the upside. KPF’s don’t grow on trees so I feel you can make the case the punt is worth it.

But Marchbank, McGovern and Cuningham; just have 0 confidence in these guys.

 

[BlueJet]

Crouch averages 28 possessions across his career, he's also had 40+ 7 times, which is more than all of our midfielders combined.
Cripps: 0 (PB 39)
Walsh: 0 (PB 38)
Murphy: 0 (PB 39)
Curnow: 0 (PB 38)

Are we lacking an accumulator? Feel like every side has them except us.. If we could get him for $450-$550k and a 2nd rounder I think it's a no-brainer. Even if it's a late first round (i.e we split our early pick into a couple late firsts)

How much is he worth? Does an accumulator add anything to our side? Does this stunt Dow and Kennedy if we did elect to grab him, or would someone like he or Tom Mitchell just become the replacement for Curnow/Murphy?

There's value in this type of player as more than a couple of our players struggle to consistently get their hands on the ball.
A lot like Tom Mitchell, he'd be an unpopular recruit for some but if the price is right - he'd represent a good addition to the list.

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

Hopefully he plays 3 or 4 games so we can see if there is anything there to work with. If he can turn into a Trent Hotton type it would be handy back up and versatility.

I liked what I saw earlier in the season when he played. Took marks and linked well to move the ball well.

 

[BringFevBack2021]

There's value in this type of player as more than a couple of our players struggle to consistently get their hands on the ball.
A lot like Tom Mitchell, he'd be an unpopular recruit for some but if the price is right - he'd represent a good addition to the list.

That’s my view too, he isn’t meant to be gaining huge meters or kick goals - just someone who can find the footy and keep it off the oppo and dish to better users.

 

[footyfan1978]

I liked what I saw earlier in the season when he played. Took marks and linked well to move the ball well.

I struggle to remember anything but practice game at Docklands v Saints and round one when he came on when Jack subbed out and so he had advantage of being fresher than all other players on ground. If he played another game during the actual season where he started on field, it would me more meaningful if that the context of linking up but I really do not think he did. He apparently no good as key defender at Dees so if he going to make it as someone useful I think it has to be tall utility in front half like a Trent Hotton or Shaun McKernan type. To play when you got injuries. Jury still out on even being that value I am afraid. Hope so though.

 

[footyfan1978]

Interesting you post this. A couple of my usual suspects for intel (gave me the Harry contract talk info that was published in The Age the day or so later) suggested that Ed may be our VFL captain (/ non-FD cap coach) next year. No idea if this was just a random discussion and there's nothing more to it but I found it interesting.

Ed as captain of reserves would make sense. He would be awesome at it and think moving into developing youth would be something he should pursue and be a natural at.

 

[footyfan1978]

Ed Curnow I meant. Not Eddie.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Interesting Josh Dunkley

5

Josh Dunkley

Age

28

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

and Ed Richards

20

Ed Richards

Age

25

Ht

188cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.4

4star

MG

201.4

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.3

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

198.3

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

232.4

4star

both back for the Dogs...

Would rather give 2021 & 2022 firsts for a Josh Dunkley

5

Josh Dunkley

Age

28

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

and Ed Richards

20

Ed Richards

Age

25

Ht

188cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.4

4star

MG

201.4

3star

D

11.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

5.3

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

2.5

3star

MG

198.3

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

MG

232.4

4star

package..
Than giving Fremantle 2x first for Cerra and change

C - Richards.....Cripps.....Martin
FOL - Pittonet.....Walsh.....Dunkley