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Disagree - I think Cerra showed some great foot skills yesterday - and if he had Harry Charlie Mitch Jack etc as targets he would hit them most of the time
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He hit targets, but wasn't so dangerous going forward, and inside 50.
He kicked 2 points, and his other 22 disposals resulted in a single score.
Outlandish statement of the millennium, come on man seriously? Vastly superior version of Hodge
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I wouldn't touch Cerra. Too big a price to pay. We need to keep flexible in the salary cap for opportunistic plays.
I would keep at it in the draft, and probably try to add at least one pick every season by helping out teams with points etc.
Moneyball for gaps in our list, there are always bargains in the recycled pool eg Lyons. Thus season I would be hunting the Bulldogs VFL list. Plenty of unloved AFL level role players in that lot.
We also need to upgrade in the ruck as a priority, despite very sensibly adding a developing ruck in the midseason draft. Pitto should have a market as a number 2 ruck for someone else. TDK still a couple of seasons away from taking the role full time.
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I would keep at it in the draft, and probably try to add at least one pick every season by helping out teams with points etc.
Moneyball for gaps in our list, there are always bargains in the recycled pool eg Lyons. Thus season I would be hunting the Bulldogs VFL list. Plenty of unloved AFL level role players in that lot.
We also need to upgrade in the ruck as a priority, despite very sensibly adding a developing ruck in the midseason draft. Pitto should have a market as a number 2 ruck for someone else. TDK still a couple of seasons away from taking the role full time.
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No. He's not even the first Fremantle player I'd be picking.
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We have enough young kids who can't get a game in the midfield already, I love Cerra but he's not an area of need. KPP depth is paramount.
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Just for the burn factor, I am taking Darcy Parish..
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We'll just have to settle for that then.Outlandish statement of the millennium, come on man seriously? Vastly superior version of Hodge
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Im half half on Cerra. Is he a perfect fit for us if he can increase his disposal count by 5-10 per game? yeah absolutely. Would he be a perfect fit next to a firing Dow and 4th year Walsh? Absolutely. He adds another big body to the contest and absolute class with ball in hand. He's also a good two way runner which helps fill the void that Dow and Crippa leave both being explosive characters more so than endurance athletes.
I don't see the cost being much of an issue, our poor season probably works out perfectly to offer up a pick 5-8 for him. The simple equation is - Is he going to take the next step into becoming an elite mid or remain a solid contributor for a few more years? If its the latter I'd just take the pick to the draft and find our own without the price tag, if the club is certain he will take the next step I see it as an easy decision to pony up the price tag.
We have plenty of players we can move on or trade to accomodate room for Cerra and It's clear to see he is a class above what we've got in the sheds and a step up on plenty of blokes we run out on the field too.
I don't see the cost being much of an issue, our poor season probably works out perfectly to offer up a pick 5-8 for him. The simple equation is - Is he going to take the next step into becoming an elite mid or remain a solid contributor for a few more years? If its the latter I'd just take the pick to the draft and find our own without the price tag, if the club is certain he will take the next step I see it as an easy decision to pony up the price tag.
We have plenty of players we can move on or trade to accomodate room for Cerra and It's clear to see he is a class above what we've got in the sheds and a step up on plenty of blokes we run out on the field too.
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I’m not convinced we have such solid gold midfield stocks, certainly not in the areas where Cerra excels, and certainly not to the depth of the top sides.
I am vastly more bullish on the likes of Dow, Kennedy etc. after the last couple of weeks (Dow especially, it looks like the penny has dropped) but let’s not pretend we have oodles of proven quality outside of Cripps and Walsh.
There’s talent but with unrealised talent comes variability. Let’s say we pick someone great with pick 5-10, and all goes well and within 3-4 years they have the tank/conditioning/experience to be a legit contributor as they enter their prime. Guess what - we just described Cerra, without any variability because we know what his floor and likely trajectory is. I am not sure why he’s being underrated - his first half was brilliant and he’s shown signs all year.
We need an elite rotation running through the midfield and right now we bat very shallow. You throw a ready made player in Cerra who is on the cusp of his prime, with a perfect mix of skills that we require (size, composure, delivery inside 50) and our midfield ascends immediately - in turn helping capitalise on the quality bookends we have up forward & down back. There are things he needs to improve to become an A grader but geez he is on track. For us to win a flag we’ll need more genuine midfield talent than we currently have.
Again I agree on the cost issue. My gut tells me Freo will not be kind at the trade table and we may have to walk away. But I’d absolutely give our first + second (hate giving away a large chunk of draft capital but for a 21yo #5 draft pick who has played 70 games and looked every bit a future gun, it’s worth it) and pay him 600-700k a year.
I actually feel based on what we’ve heard the salary might be OK but Freo will almost certainly demand 2 x 1sts or the equivalent of. That’s probably where we walk away and in all likelihood the deal doesn’t get done, making all this speculation academic...so maybe we should all just jump across to the Phantom Drafts board and figure out who we’re getting.
I am vastly more bullish on the likes of Dow, Kennedy etc. after the last couple of weeks (Dow especially, it looks like the penny has dropped) but let’s not pretend we have oodles of proven quality outside of Cripps and Walsh.
There’s talent but with unrealised talent comes variability. Let’s say we pick someone great with pick 5-10, and all goes well and within 3-4 years they have the tank/conditioning/experience to be a legit contributor as they enter their prime. Guess what - we just described Cerra, without any variability because we know what his floor and likely trajectory is. I am not sure why he’s being underrated - his first half was brilliant and he’s shown signs all year.
We need an elite rotation running through the midfield and right now we bat very shallow. You throw a ready made player in Cerra who is on the cusp of his prime, with a perfect mix of skills that we require (size, composure, delivery inside 50) and our midfield ascends immediately - in turn helping capitalise on the quality bookends we have up forward & down back. There are things he needs to improve to become an A grader but geez he is on track. For us to win a flag we’ll need more genuine midfield talent than we currently have.
Again I agree on the cost issue. My gut tells me Freo will not be kind at the trade table and we may have to walk away. But I’d absolutely give our first + second (hate giving away a large chunk of draft capital but for a 21yo #5 draft pick who has played 70 games and looked every bit a future gun, it’s worth it) and pay him 600-700k a year.
I actually feel based on what we’ve heard the salary might be OK but Freo will almost certainly demand 2 x 1sts or the equivalent of. That’s probably where we walk away and in all likelihood the deal doesn’t get done, making all this speculation academic...so maybe we should all just jump across to the Phantom Drafts board and figure out who we’re getting.
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I think if the pick is top 5, there will be no need to offer any more, I’d even say, we might get something back, something small but who knows.
$$$$ is obviously important.
I was very happy with Dow’s game, one of his best, he got 22 touches, Cerra got 24 without the fanfare.
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No, but the media reports aren’t suggesting 6 years at $800,000, the media reports suggested our offer was LESS than $3M over 4 years.
Perhaps a good comparison would be to put a list of names up, of players who are out of contract.
At 6 years for $800,000, no way am I interested.
4 years at $700,000, it’s quite a bit but maybe, I’d like to think, that even that figure is a slight exaggeration.
Freo can beat their chest all they like, if he walks out the door, they aren’t getting a big draft haul, a top 10 pick will get it done.
That’s a pretty fair wrap.
Reckon in the end, the asking price will be to high.
Peter “feather in my cap” Bell has a healthy dose of SMS to make matters worse …
The club will make at least, about 8 changes at season’s end.
There’ll be plenty of cap mobility to snare at least established quality footballer.
I’d also chase Miller or Hooper if they remain unsigned, not so high profile but both have grunt and good skills set which we need in the engine room.
I think Cerra too, would be a great addition, long term investment
tough & durable, good skills, especially decision making and ball delivery.
I think Cerra too, would be a great addition, long term investment
tough & durable, good skills, especially decision making and ball delivery.
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Bringing this here: Best 22 for 2022, please, then your next 10.
huh?
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I told you: we have a lot of other options, so show me where you think Kennedy falls in terms of the top 60% or so of our list. Not really interested in going back and forth without some insight there.
Atm he's best 22 and our 2nd best inside mid. If you think hes outside best 22 then name yours. Nonsensical to do it the othef way round.
Dow kicked a goal, had an assist, and 5 other score involvements. Cerra kicked 2 points and had 1 other score involvement. And we won.
Big difference in fanfare.
Carra was pick 5, and has shown to be a good pick, so he's going to cost more than our 1st.
It's not that he would be on 800. But if we were to pay him 650-700, that means we can't pick somebody else, who we may prefer. That's the point to the exercise.
And I'm not so interested in who is out of contract, it's about is Cerra the right player for us at the right cost for the long-term?
