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anyone else think we are bit light on for talls? Those that can play either end and/or break glass ruck options?

Jarrod Brander - apart from everybody chasing him would be very good.
Interested in Emerson Jeka, 197cm ish lightly framed but reminds me of Liam Jones in terms of laconic movement. Bit of a project but is going well at Box Hill.

Anyone else we can think of?

Riccardi as a defender, who could play forward if someone was injured, has played a bit there in the 2s. Brander would be good, but wouldn’t be coming for a pack of chips.

Jeka re-signed I’m pretty sure.
 
This is how we potentially line up in 2022, really exciting:

B: Docherty, Weitering, Plowman
HB: Williams, Jones, Saad
C: LOB, Walsh, Fogarty
HF: JSOS, Curnow, Fisher
FF: Honey, McKay, McGovern
FOLL: TDK, Cripps, Dow

INT: Kennedy, Cuningham, Owies, Williamson

Difficult positions:
Wings (Fogarty? Newnes? LOB? Fogarty? Docherty? Saad?)
FP2 (McGovern? Owies? Betts?)
HFF (JSOS? McGovern? Cuningham? Fisher?)

Really rate the list though.
 

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This is how we potentially line up in 2022, really exciting:

B: Docherty, Weitering, Plowman
HB: Williams, Jones, Saad
C: LOB, Walsh, Fogarty
HF: JSOS, Curnow, Fisher
FF: Honey, McKay, McGovern
FOLL: TDK, Cripps, Dow

INT: Kennedy, Cuningham, Owies, Williamson

Difficult positions:
Wings (Fogarty? Newnes? LOB? Fogarty? Docherty? Saad?)
FP2 (McGovern? Owies? Betts?)
HFF (JSOS? McGovern? Cuningham? Fisher?)

Really rate the list though.
Gee whiz you have a lot of faith in LOB , his form was ordinary & really St kilda were terrible defensively ... I think he's 50/50 to stay on the list , has afew glaring deficiencies. No Jack Martin in team.. surprising but everyone has a different opinion.
 
Gee whiz you have a lot of faith in LOB , his form was ordinary & really St kilda were terrible defensively ... I think he's 50/50 to stay on the list , has afew glaring deficiencies. No Jack Martin in team.. surprising but everyone has a different opinion.
I love Jack Martin, I forgot about him and Stocker actually. I really rate LOB too, but you are correct. Jury is still out on him.

The fact that I forgot about Jack Martin and Stocker, both of whom I really rate is a testament to how good our 22 is when fit.
 
anyone else think we are bit light on for talls? Those that can play either end and/or break glass ruck options?

Jarrod Brander - apart from everybody chasing him would be very good.
Interested in Emerson Jeka, 197cm ish lightly framed but reminds me of Liam Jones in terms of laconic movement. Bit of a project but is going well at Box Hill.

Anyone else we can think of?


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WEST Coast is yet to open contract talks with young tall Jarrod Brander, making his future at the club unclear as the end of the season approaches.
 
This is how we potentially line up in 2022, really exciting:

B: Docherty, Weitering, Plowman
HB: Williams, Jones, Saad
C: LOB, Walsh, Fogarty
HF: JSOS, Curnow, Fisher
FF: Honey, McKay, McGovern
FOLL: TDK, Cripps, Dow

INT: Kennedy, Cuningham, Owies, Williamson

Difficult positions:
Wings (Fogarty? Newnes? LOB? Fogarty? Docherty? Saad?)
FP2 (McGovern? Owies? Betts?)
HFF (JSOS? McGovern? Cuningham? Fisher?)

Really rate the list though.

LOB in the starting team on the back of one ok game against St Kilda ? Interesting


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Has he signed? Or is he gettable?

Only seen a little but like what he brings...
He’s signed - just one year. Think it hinges on Gunston.

LOB in the starting team on the back of one ok game against St Kilda ? Interesting


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He had the best performance of any of our wingers all year except for Walsh on the weekend. I do rate him and will be happily proven wrong if he doesn’t back it up.
 
With him stating he hoped he got through to us on draft night, think we are a huge chance if he wants to come home to Vic.

I like Riccardi also FBB, who else is in the line of your thinking?
With him stating he hoped he got through to us on draft night, think we are a huge chance if he wants to come home to Vic.

I like Riccardi also FBB, who else is in the line of your thinking?
The other player as far as a need has the package combination of speed skill and run we need is another interstater in Jordan Clark who’s played 31 games and kicked 15 goals can play in a few positions halfback and wing...

I think he be a great winger for us he’s a WA boy and will be chased by both clubs to come home but he’s one i rated really highly draft year and still do....

He can take the place of a few other older types I’d be moving on in their place massive upgrade...
 
With him stating he hoped he got through to us on draft night, think we are a huge chance if he wants to come home to Vic.

I like Riccardi also FBB, who else is in the line of your thinking?
I like Riccardo as a player as well, probably would have too many of our forwards in front of him providing their all fit and up and going, he can play down back so has a little flexibility about him, just think if he leaves he’ll want guaranteed game time somewhere like the filth he would be able to get that...
 
This is how we potentially line up in 2022, really exciting:

B:
Docherty, Weitering, Plowman
HB: Williams, Jones, Saad
C: LOB, Walsh, Fogarty
HF: JSOS, Curnow, Fisher
FF: Honey, McKay, McGovern
FOLL: TDK, Cripps, Dow

INT: Kennedy, Cuningham, Owies, Williamson

Difficult positions:
Wings (Fogarty? Newnes? LOB? Fogarty? Docherty? Saad?)
FP2 (McGovern? Owies? Betts?)
HFF (JSOS? McGovern? Cuningham? Fisher?)

Really rate the list though.

Supporters believing this is the case for the past 10 years.
 

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I was in the camp that Stocker must play midfield. I would still like to see him given the opportunity, however he is making a big case to stay in defence. The big change would be to play him as a genuine rebounder rather than being deployed as a lock down type. Williams struggling to play full time mid has stymied Stock. Saad and Stocker off half back rather than Williams, Docherty or Newman would be quite spectacular. For mine Williams can be deployed as a winger if he improves his tank or even as a small forward weapon. We lament the lack of kicking penetration of Owies, Fogarty and Eddie, Zac would provide much more of a threat. Let’s not get carried away with trying to extract theoretical bang for buck by shoehorning in to the midfield. It is all about the list we have being deployed at its optimum.

Imagine Stocker, Cerra and O’Brien feeding our forwards with their immaculate disposal (yes I know there would be the odd Clanger)
Stocker should stay where he is could be our hodge in the backline in years to come.
 
LOB in the starting team on the back of one ok game against St Kilda ? Interesting


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One of the best, been performing consistently well in the reserves as well. And better than any other winger this year - don't think Newnes has gotten above 20 possessions more than once - if at all.

Honestly this is just ridiculous - no one has performed this well on the wing - no where even CLOSE.



21 disposals, 4 goal assists 6 inside 50, 5 marks.

Just a ludicrous assessment of his performance.
 
One of the best, been performing consistently well in the reserves as well. And better than any other winger this year - don't think Newnes has gotten above 20 possessions more than once - if at all.

Honestly this is just ridiculous - no one has performed this well on the wing - no where even CLOSE.



21 disposals, 4 goal assists 6 inside 50, 5 marks.

Just a ludicrous assessment of his performance.


What’s ludicrous?
That he’s played one ok game ?
A good reserves player doesn’t mean a good seniors player either. I hope he does live up to his draft reputation but right now, long way to go


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Best 22?

Clubs don't talk about best 22s. They talk about having a deep squad of players who they can rely on to play their role if and when called upon throughout the duration of a season.

When was the last time you heard anyone from club land talk about a best 22? They're a fun exercise for supporters and the media but don't mean much beyond that.

Is he a part of our best side? Maybe. He was there early on in the year so clearly the club thinks he's at least in the conversation. Is he a part of a squad that can take us forward? Absolutely and the club believes so too.

Bury my head in the sand? I'd say that's exactly what's going on when you suggest he's not in our plans because he's not currently playing senior footy. Or that because he 'can't kick' he can't be a part of a good team.

Both are clearly false.



Did you?

You referenced fantasy points, contested possessions, disposals, goals, marks and uncontested possessions.

For a small forward.

Your confidence is misguided.



Can't handle the fact? 🤣

You tried to use stats to put your case forward, I (and others) pulled you up on the use of stats that aren't even remotely relevant to his role.

Show us how he compares when it comes to stats that actually matter. That might help your case. And tone down the condescending attitude while you're at it - you've been asked to do this previously.



Which stats - fantasy points? Where are the hitout stats?

You certainly proved something. I'm just not sure it was what you were trying to.
If his kicking does not improve he's only going to be in the side if we have injuries. He's got games because he has played ok and we are weak in this area. Forwards who miss a lot and miss easy goals are on borrowed time. There is no way a mediocre half forward with terrible kicking remains in a side with a growing list. If he doesn't improve his kicking and he's still on the list in a few years it will because our recruiting and development has been terrible or because he's made it as a midfielder and I'm not sure about that one.

He was let go by Geelong without any protest. He hasn't come straight in despite being fit he's in the VFL. He's the definition of fringe player with a major deficiency.

I can see why you're a big fan, he chases and tackles and there is effort in his game. That's good but you need to be able to do the offensive part of the game and he hasn't proven anything in this area yet.
 
We have a first rounder (say pick 9) a second rounder (say pick 30 with father sons etc) no 3rd round selection and then a 4th rounder (say pick 58) so any selections after our first 3 will be in the 70's.

This can change if we trade players out but needs to be taken into account when there are draft discussions. The real question is whether Eddie playing 20 games and mentoring young forwards is worth more to us than pick 76 which might be our fourth pick.

I don't know the answer about keeping eddie on the list but as it currently stands I would prefer him than pick 76.
Good point, a third would be nice. Perhaps more picks will arrive via trades. That does change things that's for sure. We would have to wait until trade period is done.
 
I doubt that. He doesn't have the drive. Wouldn't be opposed to delisting him.

Not an unreasonable position to take on Setters. He's had enough time to at least show signs and aside from the Crows game at the MCG in 2019 I personally haven't seen enough to suggest he is going to make it. At least with some other underperformers like Dow, LOB, Fish and Samo have shown even just glimpses on a more regular basis to suggest that they've got more to offer that's worth persisting with. The fear with him is that his dominance in juniors was due mainly to him being bigger than everyone else and that hasn't translate in seniors where his size is no longer such a huge advantage. Concerningly he's now had a few year to work that out for himself and I don't see him doing anything to add other stings to his game by getting physically stronger, increasing his aerobic capacity or improving his skills. I think its worth giving him one more year given he's under contract until the end of 2022 because if nothing else I'd rather not pay him out which we'd have to do if we delist him this year. The hope is that playing for the new contact is the catalyst for a big uptick in his performances, but I do acknowledge there is a risk he doesn't improve in in which case he should up on the scrap heap next year and we get nothing for our investment in him.
 

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