List Mgmt. 2021 NAB National AFL Draft

[Lore]

Scuse the intrusion folks. Thought you might like to have this resource in your thread

 

[sr36]

Is that Brisbane’s Sam Skinner? This to me is the perfect example of why we need to be wary of scouting reports on the likes of Skinner and Schlensog. In that clip most of his one out intercept marks were v 190cm Binder. A guy of Skinner’s size with the talent he has will do that every so often at state league level. We all remember some of Cox’s highlight reel numbers at VFL level I’m sure…

On the flip side, they were all so clean and well read, whilst involving direct body contact with his opponent and no numerical advantage. In an AFL context, you'd love him to be coming in in the regular outnumber situation, which so many of the AFL defensive intercept marks are.

 

[Harry O]

We may not have a vacancy on the rookie list - will be touch and go

 

[Scodog10]

On the flip side, they were all so clean and well read, whilst involving direct body contact with his opponent and no numerical advantage. In an AFL context, you'd love him to be coming in in the regular outnumber situation, which so many of the AFL defensive intercept marks are.

Again though he’s a former AFL player with a significant size advantage. If he isn’t getting bodied off the ball (which he would at the top level) the minimum expectation should be that he’s clunking a few of those a game. There’s no doubt that performance was one out of the box, but he’s not doing that at the top level under a high ball with AFL quality opponents. I want to stress I’m neither here nor there on guys like Skinner or Schlensog I’m just highlighting that this is how they build a colt following.

 

[sr36]

Again though he’s a former AFL player with a significant size advantage. If he isn’t getting bodied off the ball (which he would at the top level) the minimum expectation should be that he’s clunking a few of those a game. There’s no doubt that performance was one out of the box, but he’s not doing that at the top level under a high ball with AFL quality opponents.

Very true - noone else is either though.

I just mean, to me that showed great reading of the ball flight and great hands even when body contact is involved. Which is something that translates to AFL. You're right that those one on ones don't translate - noone in the AFL does that consistently. But there's more numerical advantage for defenders in the AFL than those highlights showed - so it made him look AFL relevant to me. It made him look like a bloke who would do well as an AFL interceptor.

 

[manicpie]

That was an exquisite piece of football from JHF and as a doubter I know he’ll do that at AFL level. I’m just not convinced he’ll do the blue collar that bridges the gap between the sublime and the standard often enough to justify being selected as a top 3 pick. If Collingwood had a pick around 5 plus Daicos and Darcy were on the big board I don’t think he’d be in contention at that pick for me. I’d 100% have Ward, Darcy, Gibcus and Andrew (no particular order) ahead with Daicos, Callaghan, Goater and JHF on the next line. Please Macedonian Jesus make him number 1!

He screams Cam Raynor to me. Will be very good but never great

 

[Scodog10]

Very true - noone else is either though.

I just mean, to me that showed great reading of the ball flight and great hands even when body contact is involved. Which is something that translates to AFL. You're right that those one on ones don't translate - noone in the AFL does that consistently. But there's more numerical advantage for defenders in the AFL than those highlights showed - so it made him look AFL relevant to me. It made him look like a bloke who would do well as an AFL interceptor.

It did make him look that way, but it also didn’t provide an insight into the pressure on the ball carrier, how he went when Norward linked up by hand like the better teams do at AFL level or how he went against decent opposition. If I were making an assessment on whether he’s AFL relevant I’d like to see behind the goal vision.

I’d also like to know if he was he able to dominate Thilthorpe or Himmleberg the same way? How many AFL listed KPF’s is he coming up against week to week at that level? Because even Cox had to do that. I should probably also stress that we had a guy play 19 matches this year at AFL level in the back half and he could play for 50 years (if the human body allowed it) and never manage a match like that at either level. Which provides an indication of why we need to consider guys like Skinner when others won’t.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I want to stress I’m neither here nor there on guys like Skinner or Schlensog I’m just highlighting that this is how they build a colt following.

[mention]Good Horse [/mention] has a massive colt following. We should ask him how he built it.

 

[well left]

[mention]Good Horse [/mention] has a massive colt following. We should ask him how he built it.

You beat me to it!


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[jonbe54]

Very true - noone else is either though.

I just mean, to me that showed great reading of the ball flight and great hands even when body contact is involved. Which is something that translates to AFL. You're right that those one on ones don't translate - noone in the AFL does that consistently. But there's more numerical advantage for defenders in the AFL than those highlights showed - so it made him look AFL relevant to me. It made him look like a bloke who would do well as an AFL interceptor.

No argument sr it's just such a long step from starring the the V's to making it in the A's - just ask Broomy.

I think both POV's have merit but one very short video clip isn't enough for anyone to judge.

 

[sr36]

It did make him look that way, but it also didn’t provide an insight into the pressure on the ball carrier, how he went when Norward linked up by hand like the better teams do at AFL level or how he went against decent opposition. If I were making an assessment on whether he’s AFL relevant I’d like to see behind the goal vision.

I’d also like to know if he was he able to dominate Thilthorpe or Himmleberg the same way? How many AFL listed KPF’s is he coming up against week to week at that level? Because even Cox had to do that. I should probably also stress that we had a guy play 19 matches this year at AFL level in the back half and he could play for 50 years (if the human body allowed it) and never manage a match like that at either level. Which provides an indication of why we need to consider guys like Skinner when others won’t.

The other caveat is that he did't appear to be zoning off, as he was with his man the whole time, so him being in good positions so often could have been entirely his man's doing, which is different to how most AFL defences play. And at his age, his positioning needs to be already there, which you just can't tell from those highlights.

 

[Jen2310]

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[Jen2310]

With the NAB League season over and November’s AFL National Draft fast approaching, club recruiters’ draft boards are getting close to being locked in.
Here are the top 20 Victorian prospects ranked as things stand — and it’s no surprise who is at No.1.


1. Nick Daicos (Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro)

Eyebrows will be raised by some clubs if North Melbourne does not place a bid on Daicos at pick one. As one experienced recruiter put it, “He’s the best player in this draft by that far it’s not funny”. A ball-winning midfielder with serious class, the Collingwood father-son prospect has been ultra-consistent at all levels this season including in the NAB League, with Vic Metro and playing VFL for the Magpies. Many believe he is already playing at AFL intensity.

2. Sam Darcy (Oakleigh Chargers/Vic Metro)

The Western Bulldogs are in search of some points, because they are likely going to need to match a bid on Darcy in the top-three selections at the draft. Other clubs have not bothered interviewing the father-son talent, who has long been destined to join the Kennel at Whitten Oval. The 204cm key position player is most comfortable in a forward-ruck role, but has proven his abilities across the field.

3. Finn Callaghan (Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro)

A versatile talent of good size at 189cm, Callaghan has emerged as a clear top-four pick. Some clubs see him as potentially the second-best player in the draft behind Daicos. The view is that Callaghan could become a player like Mitch Duncan at AFL level. His outside run and ability to play different roles consistently well sets him apart.


4. Josh Rachele (Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country)

A genuine X-Factor player, Rachele is viewed as much more than a small forward. Recruiters believe he is talented enough to play anywhere and will always find a way to impact the contest. Rachele has been compared to Greater Western Sydney star Toby Greene

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1.2

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17.5

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8.0

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with the role he plays in attack, where he can be a matchwinner. But he also has an ability to rotate through the midfield and is a genuine competitor who wants to win.

5. Mac Andrew (Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country)

The 200cm ruckman-forward has been dubbed this year’s draft “wildcard”. Andrew started the year as a potential top-20 bolter, but the consensus is he now sits somewhere in the top-10 given there are clubs queuing up to secure him. Andrew is raw and will need time and development, but what he can already do is extremely exciting. Andrew is a member of Melbourne’s Next Generation Academy, but under new rules this year the Demons are unable to match a bid on him inside the top-20.

6. Josh Gibcus (Greater Western Victoria Rebels/Vic Country)

The top-end of this year’s draft is stacked with midfielders, but Gibcus is one of the standout key position players alongside Sam Darcy. An elite intercept mark with a big leap, the 195cm key defender has had more exposed form than many Victorian draft prospects this year and recruiters have consistently loved what they have seen. With the ball, he also has good composure and foot skills.

7. Ben Hobbs (Greater Western Victoria Rebels/Vic Country)

A hard-at-it and big-bodied midfielder, Hobbs rounds out a group of eight players – which also includes South Australian midfielder Jason Horne-Francis – which many recruiters believe sit a rung above the rest of the draft pool. Hobbs had some injuries early in the year but gets it done on the inside and outside and was Vic Country’s best player in its Challenge Match against Vic Metro in July.

8. Josh Ward (Northern Knights/Vic Metro)

It would not surprise if Ward was selected as high as pick six, but he looks more likely to land somewhere around pick 10 to 15. A consistent performer throughout the year, recruiters know what they are going to get from him, describing Ward as “bankable”. The midfielder runs hard all day and is good with ball in hand. Being the second-ranked player on the ground behind Nick Daicos in Vic Metro’s Challenge Match against Vic Country in July also helps.

9. Josh Sinn (Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro)

Touted as a potential top-three pick at the start of the year, Sinn has dropped back in the pecking order a little but is still considered a first-round selection who is some chance to squeeze into the top-10. Hamstring and ankle injuries have not helped Sinn’s cause this year and his lack of continuity of games has concerned some clubs that he hasn’t been able to bed down a specific role. Sinn has been used across halfback, on a wing and through the midfield this year.

10. Josh Goater (Calder Cannons/Vic Metro)

Highly rated, Goater could come into top-10 calculations, sitting not far behind the Awesome Eight at the top of the order. At 190cm, he is a good size and is an explosive wingman or halfback who also has an enormous leap which makes him a weapon in the air. Goater was also exposed to one game of VFL football with Essendon this year, which is expected to help his development.

11. Tyler Sonsie (Eastern Ranges/Vic Metro)

The smooth-moving midfielder is another player who could sneak into the top-10, but most believe he sits just outside that largely due to a lack of exposure. A knee injury mid-year meant Sonsie missed Vic Metro’s Challenge Match against Vic Country in July. However, he did catch the eye of recruiters in a very nice VFL debut for Box Hill where he logged 24 disposals and two goals.




12. Darcy Wilmot (Northern Knights/Vic Metro)

The youngest player in this year’s draft pool, Wilmot only turns 18 on New Year’s Eve. But his year has been very strong despite being one of the young ones. Clubs think Wilmot sits in the 15 to 25 draft range, viewing him as a highly talented halfback or wingman with great agility and leadership. Some clubs would like to see him play a bit more around the ball, but believe he has plenty of AFL traits.

13. Campbell Chesser (Sandringham Dragons/Vic Country)

Don’t expect to see Chesser picked in the top-10 on draft night, but he should find himself an AFL home later in the first round. Like others, injuries have meant Chesser has had limited exposed form this year. He only played three NAB League games for the Dragons which meant he was unable to play a specific role and own it. However, he’s viewed as a hard worker who is self-motivated and has some serious wheels coming from an athletics background.

14. Zac Taylor (Calder Cannons/Vic Metro)

Clubs with picks later in the first round are taking a very close look at Taylor, who is a reliable onballer with great abilities around stoppages. Taylor averaged 5.7 clearances among 26 disposals in the NAB League this year, works hard to get from contest-to-contest and is composed under pressure. Clubs have also had a look at him at VFL level in one game for Essendon, while he also played senior football for his local club Oak Park this year.

15. Toby Conway (Geelong Falcons/Vic Country)

Outside of Mac Andrew, Conway is one of very few other ruckman in this year’s draft pool and is clearly the best of the rest. Conway has done an exhaustive amount of interviews with clubs who are keen to secure his services. The only question is which club will get to him first. Ruckman traditionally don’t command high draft picks, but clubs desperate for a big man might have little choice other than to part with a top-20 pick for him.

16. Blake Howes (Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro)

A 190cm lead-up half-forward or wingman, Howes is expected to land somewhere late in the first round or early in the second round of the draft. He’s lightning quick, has impressive work rate and is a presence in the air. However, he was relatively quiet in both Vic Metro’s Challenge match against Vic Country in July and in the AFL Academy game against Geelong’s VFL side in April.

17. Connor MacDonald (Dandenong Stingrays/Vic Country)

Recruiters like players who perform in the big games and MacDonald stepped up when it counted for Vic Country in its Challenge Match against Vic Metro in July. The midfielder had 25 disposals and six clearances in that match to back up some impressive form in the NAB League where the Stingrays liked to have the ball in his hands.

18. Tom Brown (Murray Bushrangers/Vic Country)

The son of former Geelong hero Paul Brown, the rebounding defender has been right on the radar of clubs since churning out some impressive results with his jumping and agility during pre-season NAB League testing. Brown reads the play well behind the ball, is a good mark above head and makes good decisions by foot. He missed some football in the middle of the year with an ankle injury, but that won’t put clubs off.

19. Sam Butler

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(Greater Western Victoria Rebels/Vic Country)

The younger brother of St Kilda forward and Richmond premiership player Dan Butler has plenty of suitors given his versatility to play a variety of roles. His brother was a pick 67 in the 2014 draft, but Sam is considered much more developed at the same age and is set to go much higher than that in this year’s draft. He missed a chunk of football with a chest injury in the middle of the year still played more NAB League games than most, featuring in nine games for the Rebels.

20. Marcus Windhager (Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro)

A knee reconstruction in 2019 meant Windhager only got back to full training in February, but he has shown plenty of AFL traits since getting back on the park. The half-forward shone brightly in front of a raft of recruiters in a Vic Metro trial match at Werribee in June and was solid in a Challenge Match against Vic Country in July. Hailing from a basketball background, Windhager is expected to fall outside the top-20 picks on draft night, which would mean St Kilda would be able to match a bid on him as a member of their Next Generation Academy.

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[magpies42]

Any idea where a Dib bid may come in? I liked the cut of his dib.

 

[Jen2310]

Any idea where a Dib bid may come in? I liked the cut of his dib.

From everything I have seen from draft watchers and experts in the media, post top 30, even possible past top 40. I think we could get a basement bargain.

 

[magpies42]

From everything I have seen from draft watchers and experts in the media, post top 30, even possible past top 40. I think we could get a basement bargain.

I’d be surprised if he slipped that far, they had a fair look at him in those BFL games. He was impactful. The intriguing thing about these COVID impacted drafts is that intel is everything with most of the Melbourne talent having limited games and development opportunities. Dib has had some serious exposure, if he’s good it will be very much evident to all.

 

[sr36]

I’d be surprised if he slipped that far, they had a fair look at him in those BFL games. He was impactful. The intriguing thing about these COVID impacted drafts is that intel is everything with most of the Melbourne talent having limited games and development opportunities. Dib has had some serious exposure, if he’s good it will be very much evident to all.

He's an unfashionable size though. And didn't get much of the footy. But in the snippets I saw I agree that he was imoactful and looked AFL in his contests.

 

[Jen2310]

I’d be surprised if he slipped that far, they had a fair look at him in those BFL games. He was impactful. The intriguing thing about these COVID impacted drafts is that intel is everything with most of the Melbourne talent having limited games and development opportunities. Dib has had some serious exposure, if he’s good it will be very much evident to all.

I think his size could put clubs off. And no championships, I just think there is a fair amount of players ahead of him in terms of opposition clubs.
Twomey did his top 40 briefly on road to the draft and didn't mention him. Also when asked, he said 30-40+

 

[magpies42]

He's an unfashionable size though. And didn't get much of the footy. But in the snippets I saw I agree that he was imoactful and looked AFL in his contests.

Plenty of players smaller in size make it AFL level. Daniel will be critical on Saturday for the dogs. I’m less worried about size and more about intent, speed and disposal. He flung himself from contest to contest like a cannon ball. I’m not sure his roll was to win or receive the ball. First step up at senior level, it can be executed any howZ the club will know best what he’s worth.

 

[sr36]

Plenty of players smaller in size make it AFL level. Daniel will be critical on Saturday for the dogs. I’m less worried about size and more about intent, speed and disposal. He flung himself from contest to contest like a cannon ball. I’m not sure his roll was to win or receive the ball. First step up at senior level, it can be executed any howZ the club will know best what he’s worth.

Most of the smaller ones who make it though are under 18 stars, or guys who are more freakish forward pockets.

The kids got AFL attributes, but there are reasons why he might go late. I hope we get him though.

 

[MyManLynch]

Any idea where a Dib bid may come in? I liked the cut of his dib.

Pick 43

 

[Soups]

I know it’s not this years draft, but I was watching some footage of Harry Lemmey yesterday and boy if this kid comes along I would love for us to pick him up. Would be a strong start to fixing up or KPF woes in a couple of years IMO.

 

[partypie]

I know it’s not this years draft, but I was watching some footage of Harry Lemmey yesterday and boy if this kid comes along I would love for us to pick him up. Would be a strong start to fixing up or KPF woes in a couple of years IMO.

This is exactly why we need to hang onto our future first and second round picks, instead of trading them away. We just can't keep mortgaging opportunities to grab high level KPP talent in the draft every year by trading out future top 20-25 picks.

 

[Soups]

This is exactly why we need to hang onto our future first and second round picks, instead of trading them away. We just can't keep mortgaging opportunities to grab high level KPP talent in the draft every year by trading out future top 20-25 picks.

Exactly right mate.

For those interested he’ll be playing for SA in the U19 game before the GF. I believe he’ll be wearing number 36.

 

[sr36]

Pick 43

You're holding firm on that. Have you factored in father son kids and various picks being swallowed in the matching process?