List Mgmt. 2021 NAB National AFL Draft

[Lore]

Scuse the intrusion folks. Thought you might like to have this resource in your thread

 

[hollyfasolo]

Noble and Ginnivan is on the rookie list.

Oh, i thought Noble signed a 2 year deal mid year (https://www.afl.com.au/news/647832/out-of-favour-tiger-daniel-rioli-parks-talks-hot-pie-john-nobles-form-to-be-rewarded) and Ginnivan a 1 year (along with Ruscoe) (https://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/1022370/ruscoe-and-ginnivan-extend)

Were these deals done as rookie deals?

 

[partypie]

regarding our list, do i have it correct in that we have

2 senior list spots and 3 rookie spots? - given the recent delistings and trades

Name	Type	#	DOB	Age	Height	Weight	Gm	SOO	Recruited from
Scott Pendlebury	Mid-Tall	10	7 Jan, 1988	33 y 279 d	191 cm	90 kg	333	VIC	Gippsland Power	1
Jeremy Howe	Def-Tall-Key	38	29 Jun, 1990	31 y 106 d	190 cm	86 kg	195	TAS	Hobart	2
Jordan Roughead	Def-Tall-Key	23	3 Nov, 1990	30 y 344 d	200 cm	101 kg	199	VIC	North Ballarat Rebels	3
Steele Sidebottom	Mid-Med	22	2 Jan, 1991	30 y 284 d	184 cm	85 kg	263	VIC	Murray Bushrangers	4
Jamie Elliott	Fwd-Smal-Gen	5	21 Aug, 1992	29 y 53 d	178 cm	81 kg	136	VIC	Murray Bushrangers	5
Brody Mihocek	Fwd-Tall-Key	41	4 Feb, 1993	28 y 251 d	192 cm	97 kg	79	TAS	Burnie	6
Will Hoskin-Elliott	Fwd-Tall-Gen	32	2 Sep, 1993	28 y 41 d	186 cm	82 kg	157	VIC	Western Jets	7
Taylor Adams	Mid-Med	13	20 Sep, 1993	28 y 23 d	181 cm	83 kg	165	VIC	Geelong Falcons	8
Jack Crisp	Mid-Tall	25	2 Oct, 1993	28 y 11 d	190 cm	90 kg	175	VIC	Murray Bushrangers	9
Brodie Grundy	Ruck-Tall	4	15 Apr, 1994	27 y 181 d	203 cm	100 kg	171	SA	Sturt	10
Darcy Cameron	Util-Tall	14	18 Jul, 1995	26 y 87 d	205 cm	103 kg	29	WA	Claremont	11
Darcy Moore	Def-Tall-Key	30	25 Jan, 1996	25 y 261 d	203 cm	100 kg	102	VIC	Oakleigh Chargers	12
Jordan De Goey	Fwd-Med-Gen	2	15 Mar, 1996	25 y 212 d	188 cm	92 kg	118	VIC	Oakleigh Chargers	13
Brayden Maynard	Def-Med-Gen	37	20 Sep, 1996	25 y 23 d	189 cm	90 kg	138	VIC	Sandringham Dragons	14
John Noble	Def-Med-Gen	9	25 Mar, 1997	24 y 202 d	180 cm	72 kg	44	SA	West Adelaide	15
Tom Wilson	Util-Tall	12	24 Jun, 1997	24 y 111 d	187 cm	68 kg	4	VIC	Sydney King	16
Callum Brown	Mid-Smal	17	27 Apr, 1998	23 y 169 d	178 cm	77 kg	63	VIC	Eastern Ranges	17
Patrick Lipinski	Fwd-Med-Gen	27	17 Jul, 1998	23 y 88 d	187 cm	84 kg	56	VIC	Northern Knights	18
Josh Daicos	Fwd-Smal-Gen	7	26 Nov, 1998	22 y 321 d	178 cm	76 kg	52	VIC	Oakleigh Chargers	19
Nathan Kreuger	Fwd-Tall-Key	15	25 Jun, 1999	22 y 110 d	196 cm	88 kg	2	SA	South Adelaide	20
Tyler Brown	Mid-Med	6	9 Dec, 1999	21 y 308 d	188 cm	77 kg	15	VIC	Eastern Ranges	21
Nathan Murphy	Util-Med	28	15 Dec, 1999	21 y 302 d	190 cm	85 kg	15	VIC	Sandringham Dragons	22
Isaac Quaynor	Def-Smal-Gen	3	15 Jan, 2000	21 y 271 d	180 cm	83 kg	34	VIC	Oakleigh Chargers	23
Mark Keane	Fwd-Tall-Key	11	17 Mar, 2000	21 y 210 d	194 cm	92 kg	5	N/A	County Cork	24
Will Kelly	Def-Tall-Key	20	16 Aug, 2000	21 y 58 d	194 cm	84 kg	3	VIC	Oakleigh Chargers	25
Trent Bianco	Util-Med	8	20 Jan, 2001	20 y 266 d	178 cm	70 kg	11	VIC	Oakleigh Chargers	26
Beau McCreery	Fwd-Med-Gen	31	19 Apr, 2001	20 y 177 d	186 cm	80 kg	11	SA	South Adelaide	27
Trey Ruscoe	Def-Tall-Key	21	3 Nov, 2001	19 y 344 d	190 cm	90 kg	13	WA	East Fremantle	28
Finlay Macrae	Mid-Med	18	13 Mar, 2002	19 y 214 d	186 cm	78 kg	9	VIC	Oakleigh Chargers	29
Liam McMahon	Fwd-Tall-Key	29	2 May, 2002	19 y 164 d	194 cm	80 kg		VIC	Northern Knights	30
Oliver Henry	Fwd-Med-Gen	35	29 Jul, 2002	19 y 76 d	186 cm	72 kg	10	VIC	Geelong Falcons	31
Caleb Poulter	Mid-Tall	27	12 Oct, 2002	19 y 1 d	192 cm	79 kg	11	SA	Woodville-West Torrens	32
Jack Ginnivan	Fwd-Med-Gen	33	9 Dec, 2002	18 y 308 d	183 cm	77 kg	5	VIC	Bendigo Pioneers	33
Reef McInnes	Mid-Tall	26	12 Dec, 2002	18 y 305 d	193 cm	86 kg		VIC	Oakleigh Chargers	34
Nick Daicos	Mid-Med		3 Jan, 2003							35
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Mason Cox	Fwd-Tall-Key	46	14 Mar, 1991	30 y 213 d	211 cm	105 kg	75	N/A	Oklahoma State	37
Jack Madgen	Def-Tall-Key	44	25 Apr, 1993	28 y 171 d	192 cm	98 kg	39	SA	Barossa District	38
Name	Type	#	DOB	Age	Height	Weight	Gm	SOO	Recruited from
Isaac Chugg	Util-Med	34	26 Feb, 2002	19 y 229 d	180 cm	81 kg		TAS	Launceston	39
Aiden Begg	Ruck-Tall		8 Oct, 2002	19 y 5 d	197 cm	87 kg		VIC	Eastern Ranges	40
Ash Johnson	Fwd-Tall-Key		6 Oct, 1997	24 y 7 d	193 cm	85 kg		SA	Sturt	41
Empty										42
Empty										43
Empty										44

Both Keane and Noble are still rookies as we speak and Wilson is still a Cat B rookie. Chugg will be delisted temporarily.

If we can nominate Keane as a Cat B rookie again, and I see no reason why we can't as he is still eligible for one more year now, then we will have 32* on the senior list, 4** cat A rookies and 2 cat B rookies.

* we have two senior listed players retired (Greenwood and Mayne), one traded out (Lynch), three delisted (Thomas, Sier, Rantall) and two traded in (Lipinski and Kreuger) so that works out to 36 - 6 + 2 = 32 senior-listed players remaining.

** we have one Cat A rookie retired (Tohill - Cat B), one delisted (Chugg - Cat A) and one moved to the Cat B list (Keane), so that works out to 6 -2 = 4 cat A rookies remaining.

Our current list from what I can tell is as follows:

List spot	No.	Name	Games	Age	DOB	Ht	Wt	Drafted from	Position	List
1	13	Adams, Taylor	165	28yr	20 Sep 1993	181cm	83kg	Geelong Falcons	Midfield	Senior
2	8	Bianco, Trent	11	20yr 8mth	20 Jan 2001	178cm	70kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Defender	Senior
3	17	Brown, Callum	63	23yr 5mth	27 Apr 1998	178cm	77kg	Eastern Ranges	Forward	Senior
4	6	Brown, Tyler	15	21yr 10mth	9 Dec 1999	188cm	77kg	Eastern Ranges	Midfield	Senior
5	14	Cameron, Darcy	29	26yr 2mth	18 Jul 1995	205cm	103kg	Claremont	Forward	Senior
6	46	Cox, Mason	76	30yr 7mth	14 Mar 1991	211cm	105kg	Oklahoma State	Forward	Senior
7	25	Crisp, Jack	175	28yr	2 Oct 1993	190cm	90kg	Murray Bushrangers	Defender	Senior
8	7	Daicos, Josh	52	22yr 10mth	26 Nov 1998	178cm	76kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Midfield	Senior
9	2	De Goey, Jordan	118	25yr 6mth	15 Mar 1996	188cm	92kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Midfield	Senior
10	5	Elliott, Jamie	136	29yr 1mth	21 Aug 1992	178cm	81kg	Murray Bushrangers	Midfield	Senior
11	4	Grundy, Brodie	171	27yr 5mth	15 Apr 1994	203cm	100kg	Sturt	Ruck	Senior
12	35	Henry, Oliver	10	19yr 2mth	29 Jul 2002	186cm	72kg	Geelong Falcons	Forward	Senior
13	32	Hoskin-Elliott, Will	157	28yr 1mth	2 Sep 1993	186cm	82kg	Western Jets	Forward	Senior
14	38	Howe, Jeremy	195	31yr 3mth	29 Jun 1990	190cm	86kg	Hobart	Defender	Senior
15	20	Kelly, Will	3	21yr 1mth	16 Aug 2000	194cm	84kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Forward	Senior
16	15	Kreuger, Nathan	2	22yr 3mth	25 Jun 1999	196cm	88kg	South Adelaide	Forward	Senior
17	27	Lipinski, Patrick	54	23yr 2mth	17 July 1998	187cm	84kg	Northern Knights	Midfield	Senior
18	18	Macrae, Finlay	9	19yr 7mth	13 Mar 2002	186cm	78kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Midfield	Senior
19	44	Madgen, Jack	39	28yr 5mth	25 Apr 1993	192cm	98kg	Mount Gambier	Defender	Senior
20	37	Maynard, Brayden	138	25yr	20 Sep 1996	189cm	90kg	Sandringham Dragons	Defender	Senior
21	31	McCreery, Beau	12	20yr 5mth	19 Apr 2001	186cm	80kg	South Adelaide	Forward	Senior
22	26	McInnes, Reef	0	18yr 10mth	12 Dec 2002	193cm	86kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Midfield	Senior
23	29	McMahon, Liam	0	19yr 5mth	2 May 2002	194cm	80kg	Northern Knights	Forward	Senior
24	41	Mihocek, Brody	79	28yr 8mth	4 Feb 1993	192cm	97kg	Port Melbourne	Forward	Senior
25	30	Moore, Darcy	102	25yr 8mth	25 Jan 1996	203cm	100kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Defender	Senior
26	28	Murphy, Nathan	15	21yr 9mth	15 Dec 1999	190cm	85kg	Sandringham Dragons	Defender	Senior
27	10	Pendlebury, Scott	334	33yr 9mth	7 Jan 1988	191cm	90kg	Gippsland Power	Midfield	Senior
28	27	Poulter, Caleb	11	19yr	12 Oct 2002	192cm	79kg	Wwt Eagles	Midfield	Senior
29	3	Quaynor, Isaac	35	21yr 8mth	15 Jan 2000	180cm	83kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Defender	Senior
30	23	Roughead, Jordan	200	30yr 11mth	3 Nov 1990	200cm	101kg	North Ballarat Rebels	Defender	Senior
31	21	Ruscoe, Trey	13	19yr 11mth	3 Nov 2001	190cm	90kg	East Fremantle	Forward	Senior
32	22	Sidebottom, Steele	264	30yr 9mth	2 Jan 1991	184cm	85kg	Murray Bushrangers	Midfield	Senior
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34
35
36
37
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1	39	Begg, Aiden RA	0	1yr	8 Oct 2020	197cm	87kg	Eastern Ranges	Ruck	Cat A
2	33	Ginnivan, Jack RA	5	18yr 9mth	19 Dec 2002	183cm	77kg	Bendigo Pioneers	Midfield	Cat A
3	40	Johnson, Ash RA	0	2yr	6 Oct 2019	193cm	85kg	Sturt	Forward	Cat A
4	9	Noble, John RA	44	24yr 6mth	25 Mar 1997	180cm	72kg	West Adelaide	Defender	Cat A
5
6
1	11	Keane, Mark RB	5	21yr 6mth	17 Mar 2000	194cm	92kg		Defender	Cat B
2	12	Wilson, Tom RB	4	24yr 4mth	14 Jun 1997	194cm	77kg	Vic Metro	Forward	Cat B

 

[Jen2310]

Oh, i thought Noble signed a 2 year deal mid year (https://www.afl.com.au/news/647832/out-of-favour-tiger-daniel-rioli-parks-talks-hot-pie-john-nobles-form-to-be-rewarded) and Ginnivan a 1 year (along with Ruscoe) (https://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/1022370/ruscoe-and-ginnivan-extend)

Were these deals done as rookie deals?

You can still stay on the rookie list up to 4 years with the new rules for 2022. Ginnivan has only been on the rookie list for 1 year, so next year is his 2nd 1 year contract.
Ruscoe signed for 2 years (not a rookie)
There hasnt been anything official about noble, but I read the 2 years too, but Mihochek signed a multi year deal when on the rookie list. But in saying that, they could promote Noble to the senior list.

 

[Finnishpie]

Any interest in Lonie or Charlie Constable

33

Charlie Constable

Age

25

Ht

192cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.4

5star

K

9.0

3star

HB

12.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

3.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

22.4

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

12.4

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

? I haven't paid any attention to their careers but we have an early pick in the PSD right?

 

[Prochard123]

Any interest in Lonie or Charlie Constable? I haven't paid any attention to their careers but we have an early pick in the PSD right?

Constable yea Lonie no.

Will have to check the logistics to make sure it’s possible but Daicos + Dib + Constable + Brander would be my ideal combination with future picks also coming in.

 

[Rusty Beam]

I’ve still got a feeling we’ll pick up Naish as a delisted free agent.

 

[Crazy Tails]

I’ve still got a feeling we’ll pick up Naish as a delisted free agent.

Yeah me too; he's the one if we go that way. History with Leppa/McRae and still young enough for our rebuild. We've had no links to anyone else (Brander/Lonie etc).

 

[GreekLunatic]

any good indigenous small forwards in the draft can we draft the next leon davis

Leon Davis

Age

43

Ht

177cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.5

3star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.0

1star

K

3.6

2star

HB

1.4

2star

M

1.2

2star

T

0.4

3star

G

0.4

3star

 

[Rusty Beam]

any good indigenous small forwards in the draft can we draft the next leon davis

There are a few indigenous kids I’d be keen for the club to consider.

Isaiah Dudley and Jesse Motlop are probably the players who play the most like Leon.

I really also like Arthur Jones from WA. Has a quite a few tricks. But probably more like a Shai Bolton, silky mover type, than Leon.

Although I’m still keen on Paul Curtis as that Xfactor forward prospect. I read that he is of islander descent (Tongan or Samoan), with his mum representing that nation in rugby. So I’m a bit surprised he isn’t part of North’s NGA (which I think covers Western Jets)

 

[Crazy Tails]

any good indigenous small forwards in the draft can we draft the next leon davis

Leon Davis

Age

43

Ht

177cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.5

3star

K

10.2

4star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.0

1star

K

3.6

2star

HB

1.4

2star

M

1.2

2star

T

0.4

3star

G

0.4

3star

Not sure about the draft but Boyd Woodcock just delisted at Port. Any interest there? Tough team to break into at Port.


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[Harry O]

Both Keane and Noble are still rookies as we speak and Wilson is still a Cat B rookie. Chugg will be delisted temporarily.

If we can nominate Keane as a Cat B rookie again, and I see no reason why we can't as he is still eligible for one more year now, then we will have 32* on the senior list, 4** cat A rookies and 2 cat B rookies.

* we have two senior listed players retired (Greenwood and Mayne), one traded out (Lynch), three delisted (Thomas, Sier, Rantall) and two traded in (Lipinski and Kreuger) so that works out to 36 - 6 + 2 = 32 senior-listed players remaining.

** we have one Cat A rookie retired (Tohill - Cat B), one delisted (Chugg - Cat A) and one moved to the Cat B list (Keane), so that works out to 6 -2 = 4 cat A rookies remaining.

Our current list from what I can tell is as follows:

List spot	No.	Name	Games	Age	DOB	Ht	Wt	Drafted from	Position	List
1	13	Adams, Taylor	165	28yr	20 Sep 1993	181cm	83kg	Geelong Falcons	Midfield	Senior
2	8	Bianco, Trent	11	20yr 8mth	20 Jan 2001	178cm	70kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Defender	Senior
3	17	Brown, Callum	63	23yr 5mth	27 Apr 1998	178cm	77kg	Eastern Ranges	Forward	Senior
4	6	Brown, Tyler	15	21yr 10mth	9 Dec 1999	188cm	77kg	Eastern Ranges	Midfield	Senior
5	14	Cameron, Darcy	29	26yr 2mth	18 Jul 1995	205cm	103kg	Claremont	Forward	Senior
6	46	Cox, Mason	76	30yr 7mth	14 Mar 1991	211cm	105kg	Oklahoma State	Forward	Senior
7	25	Crisp, Jack	175	28yr	2 Oct 1993	190cm	90kg	Murray Bushrangers	Defender	Senior
8	7	Daicos, Josh	52	22yr 10mth	26 Nov 1998	178cm	76kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Midfield	Senior
9	2	De Goey, Jordan	118	25yr 6mth	15 Mar 1996	188cm	92kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Midfield	Senior
10	5	Elliott, Jamie	136	29yr 1mth	21 Aug 1992	178cm	81kg	Murray Bushrangers	Midfield	Senior
11	4	Grundy, Brodie	171	27yr 5mth	15 Apr 1994	203cm	100kg	Sturt	Ruck	Senior
12	35	Henry, Oliver	10	19yr 2mth	29 Jul 2002	186cm	72kg	Geelong Falcons	Forward	Senior
13	32	Hoskin-Elliott, Will	157	28yr 1mth	2 Sep 1993	186cm	82kg	Western Jets	Forward	Senior
14	38	Howe, Jeremy	195	31yr 3mth	29 Jun 1990	190cm	86kg	Hobart	Defender	Senior
15	20	Kelly, Will	3	21yr 1mth	16 Aug 2000	194cm	84kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Forward	Senior
16	15	Kreuger, Nathan	2	22yr 3mth	25 Jun 1999	196cm	88kg	South Adelaide	Forward	Senior
17	27	Lipinski, Patrick	54	23yr 2mth	17 July 1998	187cm	84kg	Northern Knights	Midfield	Senior
18	18	Macrae, Finlay	9	19yr 7mth	13 Mar 2002	186cm	78kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Midfield	Senior
19	44	Madgen, Jack	39	28yr 5mth	25 Apr 1993	192cm	98kg	Mount Gambier	Defender	Senior
20	37	Maynard, Brayden	138	25yr	20 Sep 1996	189cm	90kg	Sandringham Dragons	Defender	Senior
21	31	McCreery, Beau	12	20yr 5mth	19 Apr 2001	186cm	80kg	South Adelaide	Forward	Senior
22	26	McInnes, Reef	0	18yr 10mth	12 Dec 2002	193cm	86kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Midfield	Senior
23	29	McMahon, Liam	0	19yr 5mth	2 May 2002	194cm	80kg	Northern Knights	Forward	Senior
24	41	Mihocek, Brody	79	28yr 8mth	4 Feb 1993	192cm	97kg	Port Melbourne	Forward	Senior
25	30	Moore, Darcy	102	25yr 8mth	25 Jan 1996	203cm	100kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Defender	Senior
26	28	Murphy, Nathan	15	21yr 9mth	15 Dec 1999	190cm	85kg	Sandringham Dragons	Defender	Senior
27	10	Pendlebury, Scott	334	33yr 9mth	7 Jan 1988	191cm	90kg	Gippsland Power	Midfield	Senior
28	27	Poulter, Caleb	11	19yr	12 Oct 2002	192cm	79kg	Wwt Eagles	Midfield	Senior
29	3	Quaynor, Isaac	35	21yr 8mth	15 Jan 2000	180cm	83kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Defender	Senior
30	23	Roughead, Jordan	200	30yr 11mth	3 Nov 1990	200cm	101kg	North Ballarat Rebels	Defender	Senior
31	21	Ruscoe, Trey	13	19yr 11mth	3 Nov 2001	190cm	90kg	East Fremantle	Forward	Senior
32	22	Sidebottom, Steele	264	30yr 9mth	2 Jan 1991	184cm	85kg	Murray Bushrangers	Midfield	Senior
33
34
35
36
37
38
1	39	Begg, Aiden RA	0	1yr	8 Oct 2020	197cm	87kg	Eastern Ranges	Ruck	Cat A
2	33	Ginnivan, Jack RA	5	18yr 9mth	19 Dec 2002	183cm	77kg	Bendigo Pioneers	Midfield	Cat A
3	40	Johnson, Ash RA	0	2yr	6 Oct 2019	193cm	85kg	Sturt	Forward	Cat A
4	9	Noble, John RA	44	24yr 6mth	25 Mar 1997	180cm	72kg	West Adelaide	Defender	Cat A
5
6
1	11	Keane, Mark RB	5	21yr 6mth	17 Mar 2000	194cm	92kg		Defender	Cat B
2	12	Wilson, Tom RB	4	24yr 4mth	14 Jun 1997	194cm	77kg	Vic Metro	Forward	Cat B

Thanks for that - matches up with what I had, except I had assumed Keane could no go back to Cat B and that Noble would be promoted to senior list.

If we can put Keane to Cat B and keep Noble as Cat A that provides us a lot more flexibility at the drafts.

And makes GW's comments at Thursday's presser seem more reasonable - when he said we might take 4 picks at the National Draft.

 

[Rusty Beam]

Not sure about the draft but Boyd Woodcock just delisted at Port. Any interest there? Tough team to break into at Port.


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I would be. I only watched his SANFL game against South’s. But he had the ball on a string and absolutely destroyed them.

Easily BOG and uses the ball really well.

Surely he gets another chance somewhere.

 

[whiskeytown]

I’ve still got a feeling we’ll pick up Naish as a delisted free agent.

Naish.. or left footer Matthew Ling.. both DFAs and probably better options than re-rookie Chugg...

Thoughts Knightmare ?

 

[Knightmare]

Naish.. or left footer Matthew Ling.. both DFAs and probably better options than re-rookie Chugg...

Thoughts Knightmare ?

I can't say I'd personally explore any of them, nor would I re-rookie Chugg who was a strange longshot or a choice.

Naish is the most capable of the three, but as per my earlier comments, I see no need to add more outside players. The team needs more contested players stylistically rather than more guys who can't win their own ball in the cases of Naish and Ling. If a midfielder, even if it's someone on the outside is routinely sub 5cp per game, that should be an immediate red flag. Even on the flanks, you really need better than that.

 

[gouki88]

I can't say I'd personally explore any of them, nor would I re-rookie Chugg who was a strange longshot or a choice.

Naish is the most capable of the three, but as per my earlier comments, I see no need to add more outside players. The team needs more contested players stylistically rather than more guys who can't win their own ball in the cases of Naish and Ling. If a midfielder, even if it's someone on the outside is routinely sub 5cp per game, that should be an immediate red flag. Even on the flanks, you really need better than that.

Thoughts on Boyd Woodcock?

 

[well left]

With potentially 4 to add to the list I’d be hoping for Daicos, a small forward, a key defender and then either a rebounding skilled half back or mature ruck as back up.


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[Quicky]

Both Keane and Noble are still rookies as we speak and Wilson is still a Cat B rookie. Chugg will be delisted temporarily.

If we can nominate Keane as a Cat B rookie again, and I see no reason why we can't as he is still eligible for one more year now, then we will have 32* on the senior list, 4** cat A rookies and 2 cat B rookies.

* we have two senior listed players retired (Greenwood and Mayne), one traded out (Lynch), three delisted (Thomas, Sier, Rantall) and two traded in (Lipinski and Kreuger) so that works out to 36 - 6 + 2 = 32 senior-listed players remaining.

** we have one Cat A rookie retired (Tohill - Cat B), one delisted (Chugg - Cat A) and one moved to the Cat B list (Keane), so that works out to 6 -2 = 4 cat A rookies remaining.

Our current list from what I can tell is as follows:

List spot	No.	Name	Games	Age	DOB	Ht	Wt	Drafted from	Position	List
1	13	Adams, Taylor	165	28yr	20 Sep 1993	181cm	83kg	Geelong Falcons	Midfield	Senior
2	8	Bianco, Trent	11	20yr 8mth	20 Jan 2001	178cm	70kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Defender	Senior
3	17	Brown, Callum	63	23yr 5mth	27 Apr 1998	178cm	77kg	Eastern Ranges	Forward	Senior
4	6	Brown, Tyler	15	21yr 10mth	9 Dec 1999	188cm	77kg	Eastern Ranges	Midfield	Senior
5	14	Cameron, Darcy	29	26yr 2mth	18 Jul 1995	205cm	103kg	Claremont	Forward	Senior
6	46	Cox, Mason	76	30yr 7mth	14 Mar 1991	211cm	105kg	Oklahoma State	Forward	Senior
7	25	Crisp, Jack	175	28yr	2 Oct 1993	190cm	90kg	Murray Bushrangers	Defender	Senior
8	7	Daicos, Josh	52	22yr 10mth	26 Nov 1998	178cm	76kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Midfield	Senior
9	2	De Goey, Jordan	118	25yr 6mth	15 Mar 1996	188cm	92kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Midfield	Senior
10	5	Elliott, Jamie	136	29yr 1mth	21 Aug 1992	178cm	81kg	Murray Bushrangers	Midfield	Senior
11	4	Grundy, Brodie	171	27yr 5mth	15 Apr 1994	203cm	100kg	Sturt	Ruck	Senior
12	35	Henry, Oliver	10	19yr 2mth	29 Jul 2002	186cm	72kg	Geelong Falcons	Forward	Senior
13	32	Hoskin-Elliott, Will	157	28yr 1mth	2 Sep 1993	186cm	82kg	Western Jets	Forward	Senior
14	38	Howe, Jeremy	195	31yr 3mth	29 Jun 1990	190cm	86kg	Hobart	Defender	Senior
15	20	Kelly, Will	3	21yr 1mth	16 Aug 2000	194cm	84kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Forward	Senior
16	15	Kreuger, Nathan	2	22yr 3mth	25 Jun 1999	196cm	88kg	South Adelaide	Forward	Senior
17	27	Lipinski, Patrick	54	23yr 2mth	17 July 1998	187cm	84kg	Northern Knights	Midfield	Senior
18	18	Macrae, Finlay	9	19yr 7mth	13 Mar 2002	186cm	78kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Midfield	Senior
19	44	Madgen, Jack	39	28yr 5mth	25 Apr 1993	192cm	98kg	Mount Gambier	Defender	Senior
20	37	Maynard, Brayden	138	25yr	20 Sep 1996	189cm	90kg	Sandringham Dragons	Defender	Senior
21	31	McCreery, Beau	12	20yr 5mth	19 Apr 2001	186cm	80kg	South Adelaide	Forward	Senior
22	26	McInnes, Reef	0	18yr 10mth	12 Dec 2002	193cm	86kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Midfield	Senior
23	29	McMahon, Liam	0	19yr 5mth	2 May 2002	194cm	80kg	Northern Knights	Forward	Senior
24	41	Mihocek, Brody	79	28yr 8mth	4 Feb 1993	192cm	97kg	Port Melbourne	Forward	Senior
25	30	Moore, Darcy	102	25yr 8mth	25 Jan 1996	203cm	100kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Defender	Senior
26	28	Murphy, Nathan	15	21yr 9mth	15 Dec 1999	190cm	85kg	Sandringham Dragons	Defender	Senior
27	10	Pendlebury, Scott	334	33yr 9mth	7 Jan 1988	191cm	90kg	Gippsland Power	Midfield	Senior
28	27	Poulter, Caleb	11	19yr	12 Oct 2002	192cm	79kg	Wwt Eagles	Midfield	Senior
29	3	Quaynor, Isaac	35	21yr 8mth	15 Jan 2000	180cm	83kg	Oakleigh Chargers	Defender	Senior
30	23	Roughead, Jordan	200	30yr 11mth	3 Nov 1990	200cm	101kg	North Ballarat Rebels	Defender	Senior
31	21	Ruscoe, Trey	13	19yr 11mth	3 Nov 2001	190cm	90kg	East Fremantle	Forward	Senior
32	22	Sidebottom, Steele	264	30yr 9mth	2 Jan 1991	184cm	85kg	Murray Bushrangers	Midfield	Senior
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1	39	Begg, Aiden RA	0	1yr	8 Oct 2020	197cm	87kg	Eastern Ranges	Ruck	Cat A
2	33	Ginnivan, Jack RA	5	18yr 9mth	19 Dec 2002	183cm	77kg	Bendigo Pioneers	Midfield	Cat A
3	40	Johnson, Ash RA	0	2yr	6 Oct 2019	193cm	85kg	Sturt	Forward	Cat A
4	9	Noble, John RA	44	24yr 6mth	25 Mar 1997	180cm	72kg	West Adelaide	Defender	Cat A
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1	11	Keane, Mark RB	5	21yr 6mth	17 Mar 2000	194cm	92kg		Defender	Cat B
2	12	Wilson, Tom RB	4	24yr 4mth	14 Jun 1997	194cm	77kg	Vic Metro	Forward	Cat B

I didn't think we would be able to move someone from the Cat A rookie list to the Cat B rookie list? Has the club said that, or is that the assumption? It'd definitely be good if we can.

 

[Quicky]

With potentially 4 to add to the list I’d be hoping for Daicos, a small forward, a key defender and then either a rebounding skilled half back or mature ruck as back up.


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I think we'll definitely target a small forward. We should be able to find someone at the tail end of the draft. I'd like Schlensog as a DFA. Otherwise I hope we go best available. Our picks will be late so we're probably not going to have a lot of choice.

 

[Crazy Tails]

I think we'll definitely target a small forward. We should be able to find someone at the tail end of the draft. I'd like Schlensog as a DFA. Otherwise I hope we go best available. Our picks will be late so we're probably not going to have a lot of choice.

Dib would be the small forward wouldn't he?

Otherwise I would prefer Boyd Woodcock as a DFA over Naish. Woodcock not only knows where the goals are but he can find the ball when given time further up the ground. Had 27 possessions (game high) in Port SANFL side in their last game this year. Still only young and projects as a Shai Bolton type for me; dangerous around goal and midfield potential.

 

[Quicky]

Dib would be the small forward wouldn't he?

Otherwise I would prefer Boyd Woodcock as a DFA over Naish. Woodcock not only knows where the goals are but he can find the ball when given time further up the ground. Had 27 possessions (game high) in Port SANFL side in their last game this year. Still only young and projects as a Shai Bolton type for me; dangerous around goal and midfield potential.

Woodcock averaged less than a goal a game in the SANFL so doesn't project as a guy that will improve that in the AFL as a small forward.

It'll be interesting if we see Dib as a back or forward.

 

[cityslick1]

Whatever happens happens, I’m just happy to be getting Daicos and hopefully Dib. Players with the capability of Daicos come along rarely and such a high picks for us is a bonus considering we gave away our first round pick. Not fussed at all about points who’s on first and what’s on second. Daicos is ours so the rest of the league can suck it.

It’s Watts on second…..

And Hu is the first baseman

 

[manicpie]

An aged

Thoughts on Boyd Woodcock?

An aged version of Cox

 

[partypie]

I didn't think we would be able to move someone from the Cat A rookie list to the Cat B rookie list? Has the club said that, or is that the assumption? It'd definitely be good if we can.

My understanding of the rules is that both Tohill and Keane were classified as Cat B rookies coming in (and still are), but we had to use a Cat A spot for one of them because we already had Wilson as our first Cat B rookie. Hence up to this point one of Keane or Tohill were previously a Cat B rookie taking up a Cat A rookie list spot.

Keane would still be eligible to be a Cat B rookie under the rules, given that all rookies can now be extended for a further year. I'm not 100% certain of course because it's AFL house and rules at that level tend to be a bit "fluid" depending on the club in question, but I can't see any logical reason why we can't put a Cat B rookie (which is what Keane is) back onto the "official" Cat B rookie list now that we have a free spot there.

The moves he have making seem to point in that direction as well, as surely we wouldn't be leaving ourselves potentially two list spots short of matching a Daicos bid as we speak?

 

[MyManLynch]

My understanding of the rules is that both Tohill and Keane were classified as Cat B rookies coming in (and still are), but we had to use a Cat A spot for one of them because we already had Wilson as our first Cat B rookie. Hence up to this point one of Keane or Tohill were previously a Cat B rookie taking up a Cat A rookie list spot.

Keane would still be eligible to be a Cat B rookie under the rules, given that all rookies can now be extended for a further year. I'm not 100% certain of course because it's AFL house and rules at that level tend to be a bit "fluid" depending on the club in question, but I can't see any logical reason why we can't put a Cat B rookie (which is what Keane is) back onto the "official" Cat B rookie list now that we have a free spot there.

The moves he have making seem to point in that direction as well, as surely we wouldn't be leaving ourselves potentially two list spots short of matching a Daicos bid as we speak?

The AFL changed the rule earlier this year.
Previously only 1 Irish recruit could be Cat B. Now 2 can be CatB.
Hence technically Keane could be a Cat B rookie.
Although the transfer from Cat A to Cat B…probably requires AFL approval (not sure if that has ever happened).
That would give us flexibility to delist another player with promise to take in rookie draft…freeing up another primary list spot.

 

[Apex36]

The AFL changed the rule earlier this year.
Previously only 1 Irish recruit could be Cat B. Now 2 can be CatB.
Hence technically Keane could be a Cat B rookie.
Although the transfer from Cat A to Cat B…probably requires AFL approval (not sure if that has ever happened).
That would give us flexibility to delist another player with promise to take in rookie draft…freeing up another primary list spot.

We only have 1 Irish player anyway so the rule isn’t really relevant. And I’m pretty sure they swapped Tohill/Keane as cat A/B rookies at some point, which would indicate that Keane can probably be relisted as cat B