Training 2021 Pre-Season Training Discussion
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- Sep 28, 2016
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TBH, in a season like this I just want to see us put a minimum of 12 straight games into Darcy to see what happens. Ideally just set and forget all season and see if he string's some games together that would suggest we have something going forward.
Bottom line is I just don't want to be having this conversation next offseason. Lets figure it out once and for all, even if it means sacrificing a KPF position for a season.
- Jul 6, 2017
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My thoughts as I noted elsewhere is to play Fog at FF as a lead out forward. Then at CHF have a big ranging marking target there which at the moment is probably Himmelberg but hoping for it soon to be Thilthorpe - a guy that can get around the ground but also take contested marks and mark the ball with a strength of marking the ball at the highest point.
Then with guys like McAdam who can also take contested marks, it might dictate that the oppo go 3rd man up and that could open up space for Fogarty to lead into and use his strengths. Give him 6 shots for goal a game inside 50 and I'll wager he goals from 4 of them. What I am really saying is we need to put the right structure in place to help him do what he can do and that is lead, mark and score goals and in Thilthorpe, I believe we have the player in the very near future to perfectly compliment Fog up there
Can't wait to see Fog, Tex, Lynch, and Himmelberg all in the forward 50 this week.....
With McAdam playing a 3rd tall, we don't even need 2 of the above.
My ideal forward line is Fog, Berg, TThorpe, McAdam, Rowe, and a couple of resting mids.
Tex and Lynch either on the wing or break glass.
With McAdam playing a 3rd tall, we don't even need 2 of the above.
My ideal forward line is Fog, Berg, TThorpe, McAdam, Rowe, and a couple of resting mids.
Tex and Lynch either on the wing or break glass.
- Jun 15, 2005
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Still not a lot of defensive pressure in your forwardline either.
The only chance Fog has is as a lead up at the ball full forward. He can't play at half forward. He can't play as a CHF. Anytime spent trying that is lost time.
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Maybe so..that is why I suggest he play as THE full forward but he needs a structure around him to allow his game to flourish and I think we have the players there to allow him to do that
True, hoping the HFF can provide a bit.
In that case however, I think McAdam has the x factor you need in a forward line, and TT is an obvious starter once ready (we hope). Need one more tall so Berg/Frampton or Fog as a leading forward.
Either way the club needs to settle the structure there, and I think Tex and Lynch are holding that up. Though I can definitely understand why at least Tex will be picked early on this year given pre-season form.
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See I think Tex plays..... At the moment. Not all year though. Have Fog and TT around him with the 3 smalls.
Not ideal but how about lynch to defence as an undersized KPD? Especially with Talia out we’re very light on for experience back there
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I don't know how to feel about that. I suppose he's got the tank, height, mobility and footy smarts to play a new role. I wouldn't put him on a stay at home 105kg FF, but to run with an athletic leading CHF, I mean sure, I could potentially see it.
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Lynch to Rohan but they both have to play in the shade the whole game
I genuinely hope so.
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A bigger deal out west.
No, however, there isn't anyone on our list capable of both defence and offence at a good level in our forward line, outside of McAdam.
I hope Newchurch figures it out because he could walk straight into this side.
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A bigger deal out west.
I don't think Lynch has ever played KPD (or at least, not for a decade by this point), so we're probably better sticking with McAsey/Butts.
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Only person that thought Tommy was a KPD was Ross Lyon hence Tommy seeking a trade...He's always been essentially a 3rd tall forward right back from his junior career for the Sandringham Dragons.
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I would just copy Richmond and go Thilthorpe and Himmelberg with 4 smalls/mediums. The days of 3 talls are effectively over. Forward pressure wins games along with players that run in lines. Richmond showed that last night.
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The issue with that is our balance. We don't have the cattle to play small, unless you want to bring Murphy back in.
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Berg and RT play the exact same role, that won't work.
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You just said the issue was the smalls...
And I don't believe Himmelberg and RT play the same role. EH stays closer to goal, RT uses his running capacity to push higher up the ground.
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Yep.. for that tall forwards i’d have tex and TT working from centre half forward up the ground though.. both are mobile enough..
Have Fog one out and leading from the goal square into space in the 50..
With himm (if he can get his shit together again) or frampton being the eventual replacement for a retired tex..
The trade with GWS was the right choice. That draft was a very difficult one, after the clear top 2 of Rowell and Anderson, there was a big drop off in talent. The players taken in the top 10 probably struggle to make the top 10 in most other drafts. We gambled on getting a top 2 pick, but were thwarted by the incompetence of Gold Coast and Melbourne. From there we were in an awkward position.
That draft will probably end up being similar to the 2007 draft, where by the best talents are just as likely to come in the 10-20 range as the top 10, and probably extend really well out to about 30-35 like the 2009 draft did.
Flanders I reckon was quite overrated by the simple fact that there were very few mid 180s midfielders available.
Young and Serong were probably the 2 we should have been looking at. Serong I really liked, the trouble being though, he was more of the same 178cm midfielder/forward and I reckon in time Shoenberg will probably match him and we got him in the 20's. Young had a beautiful kick, but again is probably limited to HBF, and similar to McAsey really, do you want to be spending such a high draft pick on a back flanker?
It was really one of those drafts you'd prefer almost to have a pick in the teens, whereby you'd feel comfortable taking a bit of a punt. As a draft it was probably hurt by Tom Green being academy linked and Brodie Kemp doing his knee.
In hindsight we probably should have traded back again, but given we had already traded our pick 4 back to 6, it would have been a very hard sell to board/members etc if we traded back further.
Ultimately, whilst its easy to be critical of the McAsey selection using hindsight, I don't think it was an easy selection to be making and ultimately it simpley wasn't ideal for us as a club to be selecting at that point. We needed genuine elite level midfielders +/- an elite potential Key Forward, those simply weren't available. Shuffle back to pick 10/11 in the draft and you're probably comfortable taking a punt on Day or Georgiades and gain another selection, but selling that to the members/board is not so easy.
There were 2 things which really hurt us - neither of which were Gold Coast and Melbourne.
The first was Carlton sacking Brendan Bolton mid-season, with David Teague getting a dead cat bounce from the team (who were just relieved to have Bolton gone), resulting in them winning 3 of their last 6 games, and jumping ahead of Melbourne in the process.
The second, was the AFL randomly deciding to give Gold Coast a priority draft pick - despite none of their problems being due to a lack of high draft picks. Without this Rowell was an Adelaide Crow.
