List Mgmt. 2021 Trade & List Management Thread I

[New_Roo]

That works out to Lake being equivalent to pick 32, not pick 12.

But it's a moot point. Taz is out of contract this year and if he goes to the Bulldogs it would be as a free agent. At his age and a likely 1 year contract, we wouldn't receive any compensation.

? ......OOC and free agency are different. OOC you still need to trade for, free agency you don't unless they match


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[the flying ham]

? ......OOC and free agency are different. OOC you still need to trade for, free agency you don't unless they match


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Tarrant is OOC and a free agent. If he wants out, he is gone

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[New_Roo]

Tarrant is OOC and a free agent. If he wants out, he is gone

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Ok so I'd call him a free agent then


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[New_Roo]

I’m a no for Chol. If he can play key back/interceptor then yes. But if he’s a ruck forward, wouldn’t waste the cap space.

I don’t think we should look at free agents or trades for that matter unless they are the holy trinity of our list needs. KPD, speedy half back, small forward.

I have no issue getting a ruck/forward etc for stop gap purposes, as long as they are cheap dollar wise such as delisted josh walker types, maybe a tom lynch if he is committed to being as much development coach at vfl as playing seniors.

Noble himself has come out and said a kpf is one of their gaps to fill this trade period.... hence we were connected to Weed straight away.... small fwd and support for hall ie another HB were also mentioned


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[Psicosis]

I know it was a relatively quiet first game (as expected from a 20 year old KPF), but it's clear that with a big injury free preseason, that Comben/Larkey will be our starting KPF combo in 2022.

For that reason, I can't see us targeting a KPF with the expectation that they will get opportunity ahead of Comben. A depth KPF? Sure, but Weideman isn't coming across to play behind Comben & Larkey.

 

[New_Roo]

I know it was a relatively quiet first game (as expected from a 20 year old KPF), but it's clear that with a big injury free preseason, that Comben/Larkey will be our starting KPF combo in 2022.

For that reason, I can't see us targeting a KPF with the expectation that they will get opportunity ahead of Comben. A depth KPF? Sure, but Weideman isn't coming across to play behind Comben & Larkey.

You saying he wouldn't come to play behind those two or we wouldn't trade for someone we know would be backup for those two?


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[the big lebowski]

Noble himself has come out and said a kpf is one of their gaps to fill this trade period.... hence we were connected to Weed straight away.... small fwd and support for hall ie another HB were also mentioned


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He did say that, but then after the game said he likes the 2 genuine key forward setup of Larkey and Comben.

Comben is our man. It’s clear. Sure we can’t be certain his body allows him to make it, but he’s our guy until proven otherwise.

 

[Psicosis]

You saying he wouldn't come to play behind those two or we wouldn't trade for someone we know would be backup for those two?


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I'm saying both.

- He is starved of opportunity at the Dee's. He's not guaranteed a spot in Norths 22 if Comben stays fit. Hence, can't see him choosing us, unless we de-prioritize Comben.
- Given how highly Comben is rated, I can't see us overpaying for Weideman as a depth backup.

I could see us taking a depth KPF for cheap (which Weideman won't be), however we could also just use J.Walker as that role.

 

[New_Roo]

He did say that, but then after the game said he likes the 2 genuine key forward setup of Larkey and Comben.

Comben is our man. It’s clear. Sure we can’t be certain his body allows him to make it, but he’s our guy until proven otherwise.

Can't sit and wait for that though, need to bring in another to assist so should he breakdown again we have backup, and if he doesn't even better.... they compete for the spots and push each other to another level


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[Clarke is King]

I'm saying both.

- He is starved of opportunity at the Dee's. He's not guaranteed a spot in Norths 22 if Comben stays fit. Hence, can't see him choosing us, unless we de-prioritize Comben.
- Given how highly Comben is rated, I can't see us overpaying for Weideman as a depth backup.

I could see us taking a depth KPF for cheap (which Weideman won't be), however we could also just use J.Walker as that role.

Comben and Larkey the clear first choices, J. Walker and Xerri available s backup with Edwards building - can't see why Weideman would choose us.

 

[New_Roo]

I'm saying both.

- He is starved of opportunity at the Dee's. He's not guaranteed a spot in Norths 22 if Comben stays fit. Hence, can't see him choosing us, unless we de-prioritize Comben.
- Given how highly Comben is rated, I can't see us overpaying for Weideman as a depth backup.

I could see us taking a depth KPF for cheap (which Weideman won't be), however we could also just use J.Walker as that role.

Agree he is but I'd like to think he is confident enough in his own ability that in his head he can compete with a 20 yr old one gamer.... even if he can't that's irrelevant. He needs to come with that attitude otherwise agree don't want him. He won't be as cheap as chol but Mel can't ask for more than they gave us for brown can they considering they are playing him ahead of weed currently. So a mid 2nd and what around half a mill in coin.

Likewise while we clearly rate comben, we shouldn't be trading in someone who we think will simply come in as depth. We should be getting in a 3rd who we legit think is as good as what we have


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[Psicosis]

Can't sit and wait for that though, need to bring in another to assist so should he breakdown again we have backup, and if he doesn't even better.... they compete for the spots and push each other to another level


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Yeah that's great in theory, but generally as a part of selling the club to a quality target in trade/fa, there is the promise of their spot in the 22 (form pending).

We aren't getting anyone good to warm Comben's seat & compete for spots IMO.

 

[giantroo]

That works out to Lake being equivalent to pick 32, not pick 12.

But it's a moot point. Taz is out of contract this year and if he goes to the Bulldogs it would be as a free agent. At his age and a likely 1 year contract, we wouldn't receive any compensation.

FA, of course, my bad.

 

[New_Roo]

Yeah that's great in theory, but generally as a part of selling the club to a quality target in trade/fa, there is the promise of their spot in the 22 (form pending).

We aren't getting anyone good to warm Comben's seat & compete for spots IMO.

These are professional sportsman they should expect competition internally, that's what separates the good and bad sides

Look how it has worked at Mel... reckon they were bringing in bbb to replace TMac but it's the Weed who has been pushed out


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[krakouers]

The difference between a flag or no flag. Lake was 31 when he was traded to the Hawks. They traded Lake and pick 27 to Hawthorn, receiving picks 21 and 41 in return (equivalent of pick 12).

Maybe, different time, circumstances and teams. I would suggest that is more an outlier than anything else.

That is assuming we get a low 2nd rounder for Dumont

 

[Psicosis]

These are professional sportsman they should expect competition internally, that's what separates the good and bad sides


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He's not leaving 1st on the ladder for 18th on the ladder without a guarantee that he becomes our starting KPF & is apart of our long term strategy. He's not coming across without that guarantee & to think otherwise is naive IMO.

Noble said in his press conference on the weekend that long-term we see Comben/Larkey/Zurhaar as the long term strategy.

Also, in year two of our rebuild, we have 3 picks in the top 60. We don't have a surplus of second round picks to throw away at a guy who isn't aligned to our long term strategy. We are better off backing Comben in & bringing in a cheap back-up IMO.

 

[New_Roo]

FA, of course, my bad.

Better off keeping him then... as wouldn't have thought would get much compo?


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[New_Roo]

He's not leaving 1st on the ladder for 18th on the ladder without a guarantee that he becomes our starting KPF & is apart of our long term strategy. He's not coming across without that guarantee & to think otherwise is naive IMO.

Noble said in his press conference on the weekend that long-term we see Comben/Larkey/Zurhaar as the long term strategy.

Also, in year two of our rebuild, we have 3 picks in the top 60. We don't have a surplus of second round picks to throw away at a guy who isn't aligned to our long term strategy. We are better off backing Comben in & bringing in a cheap back-up IMO.

Agree we don't have picks for waste.... a few in via FA might assist. Or do a tZ and take him to the PSD! So you are in the Weed definitely won't be coming camp....


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[the flying ham]

No one is taking combens spot. He has played 1 game and is a few seasons from putting together a consistent 22 game season. And having competition for spots is a good thing. We should absolutely be targetting a mature kpf.

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[Psicosis]

Agree we don't.... a few in via FA might assist. So you are in the Weed definitely won't be coming camp....


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I think it's unlikely. I'd take him for cheap absolutely. But I think overpaying to get him across would not alligned with our list management strategy, hence I'd be very surprised.

 

[Psicosis]

No one is taking combens spot. He has played 1 game and is a few seasons from putting together a consistent 22 game season. And having competition for spots is a good thing. We should absolutely be targetting a mature kpf.

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A few seasons? Not if he remains injury free.

Larkey played 17 games in his third year as a 21 year old.
Harry Jones played 16 games as a 20 year old this year before getting injured.
Eric Hipwood played 22 & 23 games as a 20 & 21 year old.

 

[New_Roo]

I think it's unlikely. I'd take him for cheap absolutely. But I think overpaying to get him across would not alligned with our list management strategy, hence I'd be very surprised.

Be interesting.... chol maybe the better option


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[the flying ham]

A few seasons? Not if he remains injury free.

Larkey played 17 games in his third year as a 21 year old.
Harry Jones played 16 games as a 20 year old this year before getting injured.
Eric Hipwood played 22 & 23 games as a 20 & 21 year old.

'Putting together a consistent 22 games.'

Also you highlight not if he stays injury free, which is a salient point given how much footy he has played.

So in the interest of giving comben time to develop and in case he gets injured, we absolutely need a KPF. And again, competition is healthy.

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[Psicosis]

'Putting together a consistent 22 games.'

Also you highlight not if he stays injury free, which is a salient point given how much footy he has played.

So in the interest of giving comben time to develop and in case he gets injured, we absolutely need a KPF. And again, competition is healthy.

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I agree we need another KPF. My view is that we should go for a cheap one that can provide depth & competition for spots.

I've listed the reasoning why we shouldn't go for someone like Weideman, but happy to do it again:
- Will cost one of our picks which are critical in year 2 of our rebuild
- Will only come over with the expectation of guaranteed 1's time, which could hurt Combens development

 

[the flying ham]

- Will cost one of our picks which are critical in year 2 of our rebuild
- Will only come over with the expectation of guaranteed 1's time, which could hurt Combens development

1. He is 24. Not 34. So potential for him to play another 6 to 8 years at the level. Spending a pick on a player who fills a glaring need on the list is fine. And this admin arent the type to overpay.

2. If weidemann is good enough to play seniors, isnt that a good thing? If comben is forced to bide his time and build a CV of work in the 2s whilst developing his body to hold up to a full season for the first time in years, I fail to see a negative. When comben is ready he will take the spot in the 22. Thats the beauty of having depth like you mentioned





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