List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

25

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

27

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

33

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

33

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

34

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

36

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

28

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

30

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

27

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

31

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[DarkSaint]

So we have saved around 300k from Billings, roughly 300K from Hanners and I assume if Ross accepts his contract it would be around 200k less than before. Ryder offered another year, you'd think it would be around 100k less than we gave him when he signed the original 2 year deal. Not sure how much of Robbo we had to pay out and the reducing in Geary's contract.

I'd say over a Mill back in the kitty to use to upgrade existing ones that deserve it and also look at shaking an elite mid from a diff club.

 

[BigMonty]

Great to see Billings locked up.

So the only chess pieces we have are
Ross
Dunstan
Webster
Battle
and Salary Cap space

Long Lonie and Kent Wood et al are just there in case we need them.

So if the rumours are true 9 to 3 which is pick 25 in differential then Rich 7 and they also have 16. Which is pick 36 in differential.

GCS need leadership and players but also have rumoured salary cap issues... how they achieved that feat I do not know.

They have Fiorini playing well late not unlike Dunstan and Will Brodie

17

Will Brodie

Age

26

Ht

190cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.0

5star

K

8.2

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

4.0

1star

HB

10.0

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

2star

CL

3.0

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

5.4

5star

CL

2.8

5star

who has never really clicked up there. Both would be on good coin and not playing to it...not unlike Ross. They also have picks that make them more a seller than buyer...which devalues them.

Clearly Dunstan and Ross have some value just not at the price they want. Battle as well for different reasons.

So if we shipped two of them off to GCS and paid part of their salary and a later pick which makes up the pick 25 differential (pick 22) and a bit more say pick 43.

We seem to like splitting picks and ad a result finish up with 7 and 16 from Richmond.

Personally I would keep 3 and 22 but maybe Richmond have something GCS want and by compromise makes this deal possible.

2 frd picks in a wide open draft and 43 there for our agency bids.

Come on you know it makes sense!!!


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[George]

Would we consider Daw in some capacity?

There's a few things it hinges on

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Billing’s and Ryder have agreed to recommit.
#ITK

 

[bird_man]

Ratts suggested we'd be looking at a key defender in the trade period.

He also said Battle could be an option back there again.

 

[BrutThough]

Billings salary is believed to have gone from 700-750k down to 400-450k per year + his incentives. I believe that's around his worth and a good deal for the club. Howard is on about 500k and JB isn't more valuable then him.

400-450k is a bargain for someone like Billings.

Would you be paying a lot more in the open market for one of his types.

 

[BrutThough]

So we have saved around 300k from Billings, roughly 300K from Hanners and I assume if Ross accepts his contract it would be around 200k less than before. Ryder offered another year, you'd think it would be around 100k less than we gave him when he signed the original 2 year deal. Not sure how much of Robbo we had to pay out and the reducing in Geary's contract.

I'd say over a Mill back in the kitty to use to upgrade existing ones that deserve it and also look at shaking an elite mid from a diff club.

With us trying to get Steele and Marshall's contracted extended before pre season, we are probably trying to front load them extra money next year and free up money for our attempt at Bing.

 

[Rors]

400-450k is a bargain for someone like Billings.

Would you be paying a lot more in the open market for one of his types.

Not really a bargain. We’ve overpaid him for the last 4 years ($750-800k) so it kinda just balances the ledger

 

[Diehard Saint]

Billings has signed for 4 years

Ryder for 1

Very happy about both of these.
Hopefully an injury free season for both of them.

 

[Remboy]

So we have saved around 300k from Billings, roughly 300K from Hanners and I assume if Ross accepts his contract it would be around 200k less than before. Ryder offered another year, you'd think it would be around 100k less than we gave him when he signed the original 2 year deal. Not sure how much of Robbo we had to pay out and the reducing in Geary's contract.

I'd say over a Mill back in the kitty to use to upgrade existing ones that deserve it and also look at shaking an elite mid from a diff club.

Robertson's contract is over so we don't need to pay him anything. That's another 600k saved.

 

[jwikked]

Billings salary is believed to have gone from 700-750k down to 400-450k per year + his incentives. I believe that's around his worth and a good deal for the club. Howard is on about 500k and JB isn't more valuable then him.

If that is indeed accurate, it’s a good deal for the Saints. $500k seemed overs to me based on his usual output, he’s a decent player but pretty vanilla. 4 years is a fair deal. Hopefully he hits his incentives.

Not really a bargain. We’ve overpaid him for the last 4 years ($750-800k) so it kinda just balances the ledger

Personally it doesn’t bother me what players got paid last year. The current and future salary cap is all I care about. You’ve got to pay a certain percent each year, we’re bound to overpay spuds in the short term.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Jeez just reading trade news, if Collingwood and Essendon get all the players they're linked to they'll have enough for four teams each!

Pies picked up two good support staff though in Bolton and Leppa.
Carlton seems like they are sinking deeper in the mire - not unhappy about that

 

[BrutThough]

Jeez just reading trade news, if Collingwood and Essendon get all the players they're linked to they'll have enough for four teams each!

More amazing that Collingwood have no draft picks and need to find points for Daicos at pick 1 yet while also being linked to so many players and no one traded out.

 

[Chef Ratts]

There's a few things it hinges on

 

[Remboy]

There's a few things it hinges on

Could be a sliding doors moment for the club.

 

[George]

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On second thought he'd be a great pick up and nice to see him rejoin one of his North Melbourne teammates.

Hard pressed to find a better Wood'n'Daw combination.

 

[11men1cup]

Jeez just reading trade news, if Collingwood and Essendon get all the players they're linked to they'll have enough for four teams each!

Reminds me of us from 2016-2019, I swear we were linked to any player who breathed the wrong direction

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[11men1cup]

I'm happy we kept billings,

Ideally we should be keeping players that can play in a premiership team. Can I see billings getting a medal on a GF day? Yeah I can. Can't say the same about Ross and Dunstan. Keep Ross for depth but he shouldn't be starting next year barring injuries. Don't think we will be overly active in the trades this year so we are better off keeping billings and, I guess Ross for the meantime

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[saint66au]

Anyone care to offer some suggestions on how we improve our draft hand now that Billings stays, Ross seems likely to, and theres every chance we lose Dunstan for nothing?

IF Seb, 2 x BnF, was shopped around with no bites worth entertaining, seems Clubs don't rate our tradeable players very highly at all.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Billing’s and Ryder have agreed to recommit.
#ITK

Thanks Pinky

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

Current Players Out of Contract;
6. Sebastian Ross (RFA) - Link
7. Luke Dunstan (RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie - Link
25. Dean Kent - Link
39. Darragh Joyce - Link
41. Paul Hunter - Link
42. Max Heath - Link

Shows where Seb's career is at when we are deciding between Lonie, Kent, Paul Hunter and Ross for a list spot

 

[CaptainRisky]

On second thought he'd be a great pick up and nice to see him rejoin one of his North Melbourne teammates.

Hard pressed to find a better Wood'n'Daw combination.

Just don't get your Wood caught in the Daw

 

[BrutThough]

Shows where Seb's career is at when we are deciding between Lonie, Kent, Paul Hunter and Ross for a list spot

Ross has been offered 2 years with a trigger for a third.

Lonie, Kent and Hunter dont have deals in front of them.

 

[CursingFijian]

Clav gone is a bit of a surprise to me.
Hope to god we have a couple of tall defenders lined up.
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That is the take that I get from his delisting...that we are well progressed in discussions with a defender. I am eagerly awaiting the confirmation that Talia has done a medical under the watchful eyes of a Saints appointed medical expert.

 

[Yawkey way]

More amazing that Collingwood have no draft picks and need to find points for Daicos at pick 1 yet while also being linked to so many players and no one traded out.

I’ve posted this before but I heard from a source that a very good player was off to the crows. I’ll wait and see if it plays out because there’s been a new coach appointed since and so on but this player would provide some decent draft picks Imo.