List Mgmt. 2021 Young Talent Time

[blue shark]

Assume we’re talking 2 & 13 for 6 & 8.....

Could be .....Callaghan & JVR versus Amiss & Erasmus

Must admit it would be tempting.....throw in Williams at 19 for good measure

Go ahead make my day, the only issue is that it could be Cerra all over again.
We have 3 good picks in the top 20, I’d take the overall quality over one player.
That pick 13 will look like the Cam McCarthy draft, where all the good forwards are off the table and we’re left with the rest
It’s not just the forwards though, Erasmus, Johnson, etc, the same with WC laughing at us for leaving them the WA boys.
We sort of control our destiny, the draft where our picks are.
Every player before our pick will be Vic Metro.
Best pick 1 was Luke Hodge, Pitt over Darling and the best was Hogan over King.
GWS do this upgrade all the time, and it’s yet to deliver a flag.
Sure if in the past we had taken Naughton, King, it would make
more sense, look at the Dees their tall depth is ridiculous.
They have the best medium tall in the game, and the best ruck.
With great inside Bulls.

 

[theGav56]

Go ahead make my day, the only issue is that it could be Cerra all over again.
We have 3 good picks in the top 20, I’d take the overall quality over one player.
That pick 13 will look like the Cam McCarthy draft, where all the good forwards are off the table and we’re left with the rest
It’s not just the forwards though, Erasmus, Johnson, etc, the same with WC laughing at us for leaving them the WA boys.
We sort of control our destiny, the draft where our picks are.
Every player before our pick will be Vic Metro.
Best pick 1 was Luke Hodge, Pitt over Darling and the best was Hogan over King.
GWS do this upgrade all the time, and it’s yet to deliver a flag.
Sure if in the past we had taken Naughton, King, it would make
more sense, look at the Dees their tall depth is ridiculous.
They have the best medium tall in the game, and the best ruck.
With great inside Bulls.

I'm not sure what this comment refers to;

' I’d take the overall quality over one player.'

Callaghan and JVR would be a brilliant outcome.

 

[blue shark]

I'm not sure what this comment refers to;

' I’d take the overall quality over one player.'

Callaghan and JVR would be a brilliant outcome.

Except that JVR might not be there at 13? Or Erasmus, Johnson and Amiss.
It’s a gamble, GWS taken McCarthy before our pick and the we take Apeness.
A few clubs want Talls, Dees made sure Jackson and Pickett were off the table.
They didn’t just go best available or they would of taken Young.

 

[Troy Cooked It]

Except that JVR might not be there at 13? Or Erasmus, Johnson and Amiss.
It’s a gamble, GWS taken McCarthy before our pick and the we take Apeness.
A few clubs want Talls, Dees made sure Jackson and Pickett were off the table.
They didn’t just go best available or they would of taken Young.

The current rhetoric on JVR is he is landing 10-25 (although with still sooooo long to go till draft it will certainly change), so being able to upgrade to Callaghan while still getting the wa key fwd most want, means we dont 'reach' for JVR and get a clear standout best talent available. Callaghan I believe sits separate from the second bracket:
1-3 - Horne-Francis, Daicos, Darcy
4- Callaghan
5-9 Hobbs, Ward, Erasmus, Andrew, Amiss

People will obviously melt about Vic metro but if as a club you don't even have enough belief in your own culture to keep players retained and buying in then what kind of culture do you have? We clearly had a good enough one to keep Cerra playing well even when he was leaving, his exit was probably the smoothest I've seen by a player in years, no arguments, all trust, moved with no fanfare and only ever wanted Freo compensated.

I think if GWS are entertaining it then I would do it because Callaghan is rolled gold.

 

[CapitalA]

Assume we’re talking 2 & 13 for 6 & 8.....

Could be .....Callaghan & JVR versus Amiss & Erasmus

Must admit it would be tempting.....throw in Williams at 19 for good measure

I think we'd have to pay more than that....unless they think Fahey will be bid on before 13(15).

 

[Big Flappy]

I think we'd have to pay more than that....unless they think Fahey will be bid on before 13(15).

Reckon we’d be throwing in 19 too

 

[Fat Nyfe]

The Key Position scenario is pretty unfortunate for us this year. Either we reach for a tall that isn’t rated a top 10 talent, or wait till pick 19 and risk them not being there.

I think we take Erasmus with the first pick, but I have a funny feeling he’ll be snapped up before that too.

 

[Moo]

Reckon we’d be throwing in 19 too

Then they can GAGF

 

[Troy Cooked It]

I think we'd have to pay more than that....unless they think Fahey will be bid on before 13(15).

For them it eliminates the chance at least, and they still get Andrew at 6, although it would be one hell of gag to then just take Andrew at 2(4) and leave GWS fuming.

Reckon we’d be throwing in 19 too

Wouldn't be 19 but I agree we would need to give up something else, if it's all we had though that they would take, id rather keep 6,8 and 19

 

[blue shark]

The current rhetoric on JVR is he is landing 10-25 (although with still sooooo long to go till draft it will certainly change), so being able to upgrade to Callaghan while still getting the wa key fwd most want, means we dont 'reach' for JVR and get a clear standout best talent available. Callaghan I believe sits separate from the second bracket:
1-3 - Horne-Francis, Daicos, Darcy
4- Callaghan
5-9 Hobbs, Ward, Erasmus, Andrew, Amiss

People will obviously melt about Vic metro but if as a club you don't even have enough belief in your own culture to keep players retained and buying in then what kind of culture do you have? We clearly had a good enough one to keep Cerra playing well even when he was leaving, his exit was probably the smoothest I've seen by a player in years, no arguments, all trust, moved with no fanfare and only ever wanted Freo compensated.

I think if GWS are entertaining it then I would do it because Callaghan is rolled gold.

It’s not a reach for JVR at 10 if he is rated 10-20 range.
WC have pick 12, I bet they would love us to move to 13.

 

[Superkoops]

I think we'd have to pay more than that....unless they think Fahey will be bid on before 13(15).

We would definitely have to pay more than 6 & 8. Fahey won’t go before 20 but they will need more points hence the pick trade yesterday with Brisbane.

Our best bet might come on draft night. Pick 61 after bids for Daicos and Darcy could move up to around pick 55 or pick 56. After GWS bid on both Darcy and Daicos. They then trade with Freo:
4, 15, 72 (whatever their last pick is) > 8,10,55

We then select Callaghan (4) and either or Amiss/JVR at 15.

 

[SandiHill]

The Key Position scenario is pretty unfortunate for us this year. Either we reach for a tall that isn’t rated a top 10 talent, or wait till pick 19 and risk them not being there.

I think we take Erasmus with the first pick, but I have a funny feeling he’ll be snapped up before that too.

If the club wants a player they will pick him regardless of what the wider community think their overall rating is.

 

[theGav56]

Except that JVR might not be there at 13? Or Erasmus, Johnson and Amiss.
It’s a gamble, GWS taken McCarthy before our pick and the we take Apeness.
A few clubs want Talls, Dees made sure Jackson and Pickett were off the table.
They didn’t just go best available or they would of taken Young.

I'm less obsessed with the WA KPFs than others on here, but would be expecting Amiss or JVR to be available. If they are gone then you make the best decision available. Andrew, Wanganeen-Millera, Johnson.

 

[Paracleet]

I don't see how we can trade for 2. 6 and 8 is miles short of 2 and 13 in terms of the value anyone would expect in such a trade.

We can't toss in 19 because it's useless to them, and it's worth too much anyway, and we have no future assets to trade.

It's have to be 6 and 8 for 2 and a future second. I doubt anyone here would be too keen on that. 6 and a future first. Except we can't make that trade.

Other factor is 6 might not garentee their target. In think it much more likely a deal for 2 gets done with GC or the Crows.

 

[blue shark]

I'm less obsessed with the WA KPFs than others on here, but would be expecting Amiss or JVR to be available. If they are gone then you make the best decision available. Andrew, Wanganeen-Millera, Johnson.

It’s not just the key positions, or WA players, but key players.
At least with 8, 10 we rely on ourselves, at 13 we are at mercy to others.
Take 2 top 10’s or just 1?
Freo’s history proves we have a gambling addiction though, I’m sure that big win will be soon

 

[SHill Shall]

I don't see how we can trade for 2. 6 and 8 is miles short of 2 and 13 in terms of the value anyone would expect in such a trade.

We can't toss in 19 because it's useless to them, and it's worth too much anyway, and we have no future assets to trade.

It's have to be 6 and 8 for 2 and a future second. I doubt anyone here would be too keen on that. 6 and a future first. Except we can't make that trade.

Other factor is 6 might not garentee their target. In think it must more likely a deal for 2 gets done with GC or the Crows.

When you plug in the actual pick placements (i.e. 4 and 15 vs 8 and 10), there’s only 200 points difference - equivalent to pick 56. GWS would only do it to get better value over and above say a Mac Andrew. So they would need to drive the conversation in part.

It may just work out to be a win win given what both clubs are focussed on achieving.

 

[Paracleet]

When you plug in the actual pick placements (i.e. 4 and 15 vs 8 and 10), there’s only 200 points difference - equivalent to pick 56. GWS would only do it to get better value over and above say a Mac Andrew. So they would need to drive the conversation in part.

It may just work out to be a win win given what both clubs are focussed on achieving.

30 percent is the baseline premium for trading up. And they have to price the risk of missing out on Andrew if that is the player they want.
If someone can point to an example of a win win trade even on points for a trade up into the top 5 when it's just picks I'd be very surprised.

I think a win win even points trade is possible, but it could only be in very specific circumstances where each side is effectively guaranteed results. E.g if we had picks 4 and 5 and they 2 and 10 we'd do it straight away because then they can get exactly who they want and do so we. With them trading for 6 and 8 they could end up in a situation where the top rated players left after the first 5 open picks are all inside mids, then what would have been the point?

 

[Wray27]

I'm not sure what this comment refers to;

' I’d take the overall quality over one player.'

Callaghan and JVR would be a brilliant outcome.

How would another VIC metro be brilliant when there is so many other quality players that aren’t.

 

[DragoDelph]

30 percent is the baseline premium for trading up. And they have to price the risk of missing out on Andrew if that is the player they want.
If someone can point to an example of a win win trade even on points for a trade up into the top 5 when it's just picks I'd be very surprised.

I think a win win even points trade is possible, but it could only be in very specific circumstances where each side is effectively guaranteed results. E.g if we had picks 4 and 5 and they 2 and 10 we'd do it straight away because then they can get exactly who they want and do so we. With them trading for 6 and 8 they could end up in a situation where the top rated players left after the first 5 open picks are all inside mids, then what would have been the point?

so given that they’re also trading up, wouldn’t the 30% Nearly cancel each other out?
there’ll be a bit more to it than a straight swap. Don’t think it’s far off though.

 

[blue shark]

The Key Position scenario is pretty unfortunate for us this year. Either we reach for a tall that isn’t rated a top 10 talent, or wait till pick 19 and risk them not being there.

I think we take Erasmus with the first pick, but I have a funny feeling he’ll be snapped up before that too.

Yep we would be lucky to get Erasmus, Crows would be looking.
Also feels like Goater is the one to be the bolter.
Knevitt has already moved.

 

[Paracleet]

so given that they’re also trading up, wouldn’t the 30% Nearly cancel each other out?
there’ll be a bit more to it than a straight swap. Don’t think it’s far off though.

I don't think so.
We see soon enough I suppose but I obs I reckon I'm right!

 

[blue shark]

Given that we started the trend, tall power midfields are priceless. Guys like Goater, Knevitt, Erasmus, Johnson everybody wants one, or even better two.

 

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Connor Blakely

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was played in the guts over hobbit Brayshaw and halfling Serong we'd surely have won the flag.

I notice no one compares our short people to Brisbane's. Odd.

 

[Superkoops]

Yep we would be lucky to get Erasmus, Crows would be looking.
Also feels like Goater is the one to be the bolter.
Knevitt has already moved.

If we don’t get Erasmus which personally I think he will be a chance to be available for WCE at 12 then there will be some good players to choose from.

Consider this top four essentially a lock:
JHF, Darcy, Daicos, Callaghan

We then have the fourth pick. Gibcus a good chance to be gone before our pick.

Leaves the following names available:
Hobbs, Ward, Andrew, Rachele, Erasmus, Nasiah Wanganeen Milera, Johnson, Sinn and Amiss.

I’m comfortable from those 9 names that we will get two.

A lot depends on the following:
- Do GCS and GWS make a trade (could be as simple as swapping Callaghan for Gibcus) with both clubs rating Callaghan the higher rated player.
- who do Adelaide select thereafter?
- Hawks if you read the information from many draft experts like Twomey are keen on Ward at 7.

If Adelaide select Rachele (who I would like) then we would be free to select Erasmus.

If Adelaide select Erasmus then we can pick up Rachele (who we are reportedly keen on) but alternatively Hobbs, Andrew, Amiss, NWM, Johnson, Sinn still all available.

I think Adelaide hold the key to be honest.

 

[Shadow Man]

I've watched a bit of video on both Erasmus and Johnson, I'm sure both are quality players but from the little I've seen Johnson projects as having cleaner disposal. I like the idea of some WA kids if the talent is comparable and would be happy with two of Johnson/Erasmus and JVR/Amiss. Confident Wallsy & co will get it right on the night.