List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft

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Scouting notes from WAFL Colts week 1.

Joshua Draper noteworthy.

Scouting Notes: 2022 WAFL Colts - Finals Week 1

Peel Thunder and South Fremantle advanced in week one of the WAFL Colts finals series. We noted some of the top performers from either win.

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[powermacs]

Strong draft class from Sa this year imo. I’ve watched a lot of some of these kids and a little of others. There will be some I’m missing on this list but these are the main notables.

Under 18’s

Scully with another 7 goal haul. He’s a 203cm string bean who gets to the right spots and once he does there’s no one that can stop him at this level. ridiculous mobility for his height

Kobe Ryan with a 33d 2g 7clr game. He’s an amazing ball winner. I’ve described him as Sam Walsh / boak before. It’s not a great comparison but if you’ve never seen him it’s better than nothing. Just runs and runs. Energiser bunny.

Phillipou 26d and 3 goals. 192cm (give or take a cm I can’t recall exact height) mid / forward with vice hands, athleticism and true inside ability.

Hansen 35d and a goal. Runs like a freight train whose brakes have failed. Winger / half back.

Daloia 31d 11clrs. Gun inside mid who seems to be rated in the top few players by draft watchers here, others think he will slide as a well developed body, but he’s hard to place. Worpel might be a good comparison.

Barkla (port nga) 29d 5clrs. is coming on in leaps and bounds. I’ve been watching this kid vaguely for a while and never thought anything about him but he’s really developed. decent kick. Don’t know his testing but looks very quick to my eye. Midfielder.

Barnett - 200cm gun young athletic and natural ruck. 14d.

Billy Dowling - big bodied inside outside mid. 32d 3g 4c

Will francou (port f/s) 24d 4c. I haven’t really watched will yet for more than a Qtr here and there so I don’t really have any idea. The fact his 24d was 15handballs and 9kicks suggest he’s an inside handball happy mid though.

Keeler - 16d and a goal. 197cm kf / ruck. Crows nga who only have access after pick 40. In very keen on this kid. Gets marked down for looking laconic, I don’t care. He’s got the athletic profile, size, skills, and a footballing brain. I would maybe pass at our first (guessing a top 1-8 pick) even though he’s a talent worth a pick around there but I’m happy to take him anytime after that. Even if it meant trading into this draft.

Magor - mid / forward. (184ish?) 18d 1g 4c. Exciting player who moves really well around contests.

Jackson bishop - 13d 1g. 189cm player who regularly rucks and competes well above his height.

Will torode - 195cmish I thought he was a key defender (haven’t paid a lot of attention to him yet when I’ve watched Sturt games) but played forward this week as a kf and kicked 4g. If he continues this way will add yet another draftable tall to this draft class

Cockshell - 195cmish athletic mobile kf. 5goals this week.

Will verrall- 200ish 13d 4c. Big advanced bodied and athletic ruck who plays like an extra mid when the ball hits the ground.

Duncan - wingman / mid. 185cm? 10d. I’ve really liked what I saw from Duncan so far this season. I’m unsure why he had such a down game this week, only caught a bit of the game.

Tyson walls sub 180cm. Very small mid. I’m not sure what his current height is I really hope he grows. Think last I heard was 174-176ish? I forget as it was last year. 34d 1g and 7c. He’s a gun mid to be honest. Just moves so well, runs away from contests with the ball. Again, comparisons are never perfect but treloar might give some idea. Tore Glenelg to shreds in the midfield.

Jakob Ryan - halfback flanker who they seem to be rolling into contests / mids occasionally / up the ground occasionally. Not sure of his height think I heard 192ish? That would look about right. Half back flanker might scare port supporters it I paid attention to him against Norwood and he’s legit. Monster workrate, already a better runner than most afl players. Big body, he’s gonna be a big unit. Must be a good athletic profile cause he covers ground in unreal fashion. Long kick. I’m keen to see more of him, I’m not sure how his overhead marking / intercepting is so far and other facets of his game. 28d.

Reserves

Nick Sadler - 14d. Didn’t see his game but have watched him briefly in the past. Sub 180cm mid / forward. Corey durdin is who he reminds me of tho I could be way off as I haven’t paid close attention to Sadler as I tend to (rightly or wrongly) lose interest in sub 180cm mids.

Brodie tuck - 193ishcm kpp. Has played as a utility over the years but I hope they settle him as a key defender / 3rd tall. 13d on the weekend. It’s a good sign to see a tall playing up a level in his draft year.

Michealnanny - 14d. A key defender / 3rd tall. 190ish. Again a great sign he’s playing up a level in his draft year. Didn’t watch this game but watched him before and he’s a natural. Great natural instincts and body work.

Austin MacDonald - 11d. Inside mid, great that he’s playing up a level, I’m unconvinced he’s an afl player just yet. Need to watch more of him I guess.

Under 16’s of interest
Rome Burgoyne - 24d
Louie Montgomery- 26d 3goals (I’ve barely watched under 16’s this season so far but Louie has been dominant on the stats sheet in every game so far. Good early signs)
Gil wakelin - 10d

Month back I was speaking to some of the parents at North about Monty’s son. They were a big fan of his. I think that north team has some talent in it.

 

[philthy05]

Month back I was speaking to some of the parents at North about Monty’s son. They were a big fan of his. I think that north team has some talent in it.

Harper or Louie?

Harper (eligible this year) is well off the radar. Wasn’t included in the 2022 Sa talent hub which named like 40-50 ish players. Doesn’t appear to be on anyones radar.

I haven’t watched Louie yet but on paper he’s dominated every under 16 match he’s been in so far this season.

 

[powermacs]

Harper or Louie?

Harper (eligible this year) is well off the radar. Wasn’t included in the 2022 Sa talent hub which named like 40-50 ish players. Doesn’t appear to be on anyones radar.

I haven’t watched Louie yet but on paper he’s dominated every under 16 match he’s been in so far this season.

Louie. Bloke I was talking to was a very good amateur footballer and knows his shit. His lad kicked 4 in the same game, reckons there’s a good chance there a few in that north 16 crop who get drafted in the coming years.

 

[philthy05]

Louie. Bloke I was talking to was a very good amateur footballer and knows his shit. His lad kicked 4 in the same game, reckons there’s a good chance there a few in that north 16 crop who get drafted in the coming years.

Kane mcauliffe is a north kid, 2023 eligible who’s playing in under 18’s who people are crazy about. One draft watcher described him to me as Christian petracca build and explosiveness. They would be one he would be talking about.

Would love to have Louie work out to be a gun.

We’ve had lots of father sons look like high draft prospects a bit out then drop away on their draft years.

 

[alipate]

Lol no. I wish.

His dad played a few games for port (like a handful, and a few games for another sanfl side, I forget which and before I started following football)

I’ve never heard about him being a port f/s.

In saying that I never thought that he might be eligible if he played 200+ games for one of our eligible clubs, I reckon from memory it was under that though.

I would freak if it was true lol.

I just searched the site (using the search function and phillipou) and found no article where they called him a port father son. Do you have a link?

I’ve just searched and Sam apparently played around 106 games for wwt, and I think my memory is that he played less than 30 odd for port. So shouldn’t be a father son, and that fits with everything I’ve heard.

SANFL U18s MOTR: Round 1 - West Adelaide vs. Norwood

In our SANFL U18s Match of the Round, West Adelaide downed Norwood by 23 points. We note the best players and take a look around the grounds.

central.rookieme.com

Its in the around the ground section near the end of the article.

 

[powermacs]

SANFL U18s MOTR: Round 1 - West Adelaide vs. Norwood

In our SANFL U18s Match of the Round, West Adelaide downed Norwood by 23 points. We note the best players and take a look around the grounds.

central.rookieme.com

Its in the around the ground section near the end of the article.

Think they are confused, his dad played a few years for us in the SANFL. Did play a big chunk of games for WWT but I wouldn’t think enough for a FS.

 

[philthy05]

SANFL U18s MOTR: Round 1 - West Adelaide vs. Norwood

In our SANFL U18s Match of the Round, West Adelaide downed Norwood by 23 points. We note the best players and take a look around the grounds.

central.rookieme.com

Its in the around the ground section near the end of the article.

Ha.

Thanks for finding it.

I reckon they’ve got it wrong. There’s no mention elsewhere of him as a port father son and as far as I can tell he played 102 games for wwt. He played for port and I can’t find a number for those games but I’m sure I heard it was only around 30.

 

[dirty2]

Think they are confused, his dad played a few years for us in the SANFL. Did play a big chunk of games for WWT but I wouldn’t think enough for a FS.

Always thought Sam (if that's his dad) was a good player.... I was like 12ish back then but.

 

[hammo24]

so who are we looking at for our #1 pick

 

[philthy05]

so who are we looking at for our #1 pick

Guesswork.

Out of Vic George wardlaw is a highly rated inside mid. Meant to be a real gun, I’ve seen a little bit of him but was watching other players in those games rather than him but he sounds like a star. A real football player and hardnut.

Then there’s tsatas who is an electric mid with real burst from stoppages.

Hewett from wa a gun balanced mid.

All 3 are great boak replacements and great fits next to our current midfielders.

Or there’s Harry lemmey, 198cm (199?) key forward with amazing hand and unreal speed off the mark. I’ve likened him to fevola in the past, in terms of the speed / hands.

At the moment they’re the big 4 I think. Wouldn’t complain about any of them. I think all 4 are strong safe bets.

Plenty of good players available after that though

 

[PJ Power]

Thing is we need a gun mid, and a generational key forward, and a top class key defender and a sharp shooting, quick small forward, oh and more ruck depth.

 

[philthy05]

Thing is we need a gun mid, and a generational key forward, and a top class key defender and a sharp shooting, quick small forward, oh and more ruck depth.

The good news is that there is quite a few gun mids available, and quite a few options for a kf, and lots of ruck depth, and I think there’s also quite a few natural forwards (i want say quick but natural forwards) available in the draft class.

The bad news, we’ve only got a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder.

 

[robbo1981]

I still hold out hope a team offers Amon a big deal which isn't out of the question and gets us at least band 2 compo which is end of first rnd?

 

[VineValerian]

Thing is we need a gun mid, and a generational key forward, and a top class key defender and a sharp shooting, quick small forward, oh and more ruck depth.

That's five players.
Make it two small forwards and you have six draftees this year.
I have no doubt we can find six players to trade/delist this season, just depends on what picks we can trade for that net us the players we need.

 

[PJ Power]

That's five players.
Make it two small forwards and you have six draftees this year.
I have no doubt we can find six players to trade/delist this season, just depends on what picks we can trade for that net us the players we need.

If only we had more rather than less draft picks.

 

[PJ Power]

The key is to draft specialist players from here on. Not flankers. Not utilities. Not hybrids. Not players who can do a bit of one role and a bit of another.

Draft a high possession winning, see ball get ball mid.
Draft a big key forward.
Draft a big key defender.
Draft an actual ruck.
And draft hungry small forwards who kick goals in their sleep.
That’s your 2-3 year draft/trade plan.

We have enough half back flankers and wingmen to last two decades worth of teams.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

The key is to draft specialist players from here on. Not flankers. Not utilities. Not hybrids. Not players who can do a bit of one role and a bit of another.

Draft a high possession winning, see ball get ball mid.
Draft a big key forward.
Draft a big key defender.
Draft an actual ruck.
And draft hungry small forwards who kick goals in their sleep.
That’s your 2-3 year draft/trade plan.

We have enough half back flankers and wingmen to last two decades worth of teams.

Hobbs was supposed to be pretty good yesterday. (see ball get ball mid) I have no idea why we gave away a second rounder to get Sinn (who might be very good one day)

We could've got Hewett for just an average contract.

If we hadn't traded Dougal and pick 12 Pickett for 21? Williams and 14 Bergman, we could have had Dougal and Pickett.

The way we are going we could get Lemmey with our first round pick.

You can usually get a small forward and ruck late in the draft.

I'm assuming amon looks for a new home. We would probably get an end of first.

 

[philthy05]

Lemmey pick 1-5 range at a guess.

Jefferson Vic metro kf, I haven’t watched and can’t talk about him. Draft watchers rate him around 5-15ish I think

Scully - 203cm kf / 2nd ruck type. Have no idea his range as he was barely in any draft watchers top 40 until his recent run. At a guess might be available anywhere from 5-40.

Keeler - 197cm kf / 2nd ruck type. Range is anywhere from 5-30 I think.

Then there’s

Cockshell 195cm kf. Athletic. Bit to like but not as prolific as others in this draft class have been. Range is probably 30- ?

Torode 195ish? Kpp. Kicked 4 last game. I think he was playing back before that but I’m not very familiar with him. Have no idea of his draft range but he’s on no one’s boards yet so at this stage late pick?

Foster 193-195cm at a guess? Kf with shoulders wide enough to block a double door. Real triangle shaped looking dude. Has had some good games and disappearing acts this season and I know nothing about him and the only Norwood games I’ve watched have been his quiet games / qtrs.

Rucks

Wa - Broadbent. Huge unit who is dominating. Highly highly rated. Still, rucks tend to slide and there’s enough in this draft that teams might not want to reach.

Verrall - big unit ruck who plays like a bollocking mid when the ball hits the deck. Good at getting a few clearances for his team. Decent at the other stuff too and seems an aerial threat due to his sheer size advantage. Should be available mid draft to late.

Barnett - best ruck I’ve seen come through Sa in a while. All rounder who does it all. Rucks hard, knows the position, hunts the ball, moves well, gets around the ground, tidy skills, and ok in the air. Still can’t see a team biting early.

Harvey Howe and will Elliott- Vic rucks who I haven’t watched closely but are rated pretty well.

So yeah I think we can get a ruck easily in the mid to late draft end of year.

For a kf there’s going to be a few kf options around, but I reckon the better ones might all go in the top 25 picks.

 

[PJ Power]

Lemmey pick 1-5 range at a guess.

Jefferson Vic metro kf, I haven’t watched and can’t talk about him. Draft watchers rate him around 5-15ish I think

Scully - 203cm kf / 2nd ruck type. Have no idea his range as he was barely in any draft watchers top 40 until his recent run. At a guess might be available anywhere from 5-40.

Keeler - 197cm kf / 2nd ruck type. Range is anywhere from 5-30 I think.

Then there’s

Cockshell 195cm kf. Athletic. Bit to like but not as prolific as others in this draft class have been. Range is probably 30- ?

Torode 195ish? Kpp. Kicked 4 last game. I think he was playing back before that but I’m not very familiar with him. Have no idea of his draft range but he’s on no one’s boards yet so at this stage late pick?

Foster 193-195cm at a guess? Kf with shoulders wide enough to block a double door. Real triangle shaped looking dude. Has had some good games and disappearing acts this season and I know nothing about him and the only Norwood games I’ve watched have been his quiet games / qtrs.

Rucks

Wa - Broadbent. Huge unit who is dominating. Highly highly rated. Still, rucks tend to slide and there’s enough in this draft that teams might not want to reach.

Verrall - big unit ruck who plays like a bollocking mid when the ball hits the deck. Good at getting a few clearances for his team. Decent at the other stuff too and seems an aerial threat due to his sheer size advantage. Should be available mid draft to late.

Barnett - best ruck I’ve seen come through Sa in a while. All rounder who does it all. Rucks hard, knows the position, hunts the ball, moves well, gets around the ground, tidy skills, and ok in the air. Still can’t see a team biting early.

Harvey Howe and will Elliott- Vic rucks who I haven’t watched closely but are rated pretty well.

So yeah I think we can get a ruck easily in the mid to late draft end of year.

For a kf there’s going to be a few kf options around, but I reckon the better ones might all go in the top 25 picks.

Right now, given a pick in the top 5, I think we have to go for the best specialist key forward. Our midfield can be serviceable and better than that if Butters and Rozee come on. There’s no way our current stock of tall forwards could take us to a flag. Georgiades and Marshall’s value will be as second and third targets, respectively. We need that first main target. A McKay or Max King play is our top priority.

 

[eDPS]

Lemmey pick 1-5 range at a guess.

Jefferson Vic metro kf, I haven’t watched and can’t talk about him. Draft watchers rate him around 5-15ish I think

Scully - 203cm kf / 2nd ruck type. Have no idea his range as he was barely in any draft watchers top 40 until his recent run. At a guess might be available anywhere from 5-40.

Keeler - 197cm kf / 2nd ruck type. Range is anywhere from 5-30 I think.

Then there’s

Cockshell 195cm kf. Athletic. Bit to like but not as prolific as others in this draft class have been. Range is probably 30- ?

Torode 195ish? Kpp. Kicked 4 last game. I think he was playing back before that but I’m not very familiar with him. Have no idea of his draft range but he’s on no one’s boards yet so at this stage late pick?

Foster 193-195cm at a guess? Kf with shoulders wide enough to block a double door. Real triangle shaped looking dude. Has had some good games and disappearing acts this season and I know nothing about him and the only Norwood games I’ve watched have been his quiet games / qtrs.

Rucks

Wa - Broadbent. Huge unit who is dominating. Highly highly rated. Still, rucks tend to slide and there’s enough in this draft that teams might not want to reach.

Verrall - big unit ruck who plays like a bollocking mid when the ball hits the deck. Good at getting a few clearances for his team. Decent at the other stuff too and seems an aerial threat due to his sheer size advantage. Should be available mid draft to late.

Barnett - best ruck I’ve seen come through Sa in a while. All rounder who does it all. Rucks hard, knows the position, hunts the ball, moves well, gets around the ground, tidy skills, and ok in the air. Still can’t see a team biting early.

Harvey Howe and will Elliott- Vic rucks who I haven’t watched closely but are rated pretty well.

So yeah I think we can get a ruck easily in the mid to late draft end of year.

For a kf there’s going to be a few kf options around, but I reckon the better ones might all go in the top 25 picks.

All the rucks and you might be missing the best one of the lot, Hudson O’Keefe has played a huge part in why Oakeligh have been so strong, good athletically aswell almost breaking 3 seconds for the 20m.

 

[philthy05]

All the rucks and you might be missing the best one of the lot, Hudson O’Keefe has played a huge part in why Oakeligh have been so strong, good athletically aswell almost breaking 3 seconds for the 20m.

Yeah I’ve not followed Vic closely at all to start the year and the first I heard of okeefe was the other day when I think you? might have mentioned him somewhere

was meaning to look into him.

But yeah, I think my point was that there’s heaps of quality ruck prospects (and we need to go after them) but imo at least some will be available mid to late.

 

[eDPS]

Yeah I’ve not followed Vic closely at all to start the year and the first I heard of okeefe was the other day when I think you? might have mentioned him somewhere

was meaning to look into him.

But yeah, I think my point was that there’s heaps of quality ruck prospects (and we need to go after them) but imo at least some will be available mid to late.

Keen to see the ruck battles at champs, actually looking forward to a proper champs actually taking place.

 

[philthy05]

Right now, given a pick in the top 5, I think we have to go for the best specialist key forward. Our midfield can be serviceable and better than that if Butters and Rozee come on. There’s no way our current stock of tall forwards could take us to a flag. Georgiades and Marshall’s value will be as second and third targets, respectively. We need that first main target. A McKay or Max King play is our top priority.

I’m totally behind picking a kf early.

Having said that, there’s some genuine a grade star mids available at the pointy end, and if we could nab one of them, and I see all of wardlaw tsatas and hewett as genuine boak replacements due to the depth in kfs this season we could trade back in (or use Amon compo if he leaves) and grab one of Jefferson, Scully or keeler for example.

 

[robbo1981]

Hobbs was supposed to be pretty good yesterday. (see ball get ball mid) I have no idea why we gave away a second rounder to get Sinn (who might be very good one day)

We could've got Hewett for just an average contract.

If we hadn't traded Dougal and pick 12 Pickett for 21? Williams and 14 Bergman, we could have had Dougal and Pickett.

The way we are going we could get Lemmey with our first round pick.

You can usually get a small forward and ruck late in the draft.

I'm assuming amon looks for a new home. We would probably get an end of first.

A team was most likely looking to move up to get Sinn or Hobbs then ess would of taken the other. If we didn't move up mist likely would of missed both.

 

[wayb2912]

We need some freakish indigenous players, and to sack Motlop. Alot of the indigenous always fight hard for the ball and try to keep it in play, Motlop is so lazy that he waits for someone else to fight for the ball, and if its near the boundary he always takes it over. We need to draft a player that is always fighting for the ball

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