List Mgmt. 2024 AFL Draft

[Ford Fairlane]

Thanks to Lore for this great resource

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Is this the same Dan that said I'll go anywhere, I just want to be in Melbourne. It always ends the same way, 100% power to the player & player manager.

"I'm not leaving"
"Maybe I'm leaving but only if Port get a good deal. And I will go to any Victorian club to make sure they do"
"I'm not going to Melbourne FC because reasons"
"I want to go to Collingwood"
"Paul can you threaten Port because they won't take Collingwood's substandard offer"
"Thanks Port fans, I'm really glad to be at Collingwood who I love"

 

[rogerjames]

We received an over the hill player that we have been laughing at for years.
We also get to pay him and give him a list spot.
We also received a player that Hardwick (3 times premiership coach) is happy to let go.
We also received a 25 year old 9 game player that might have some potential but that’s no guarantee.
That’s basically what we got.
What we gave away is our first round pick next year and a two time AA defender.
We also received picks that might work out good or could be a flop, that’s speculation and won’t be proven either way for sometime.
All I’m saying is for me is I believe we held all the cards and should have got a better deal.
Clubs like Geelong wouldn’t have accepted this deal, that’s why they are winning flags and we are winning fk all.
You like it then goody for you.

Clubs like Geelong never get f*cked over from what I've seen. They get the red carpet laid out. I think the impact the Vic media has in shaping opinions & expectations is huge & it leads to favourable treatment of Vic clubs. Was interested to read that McGuire was one of the mediators to resolve the Melbourne court case. His influence runs deep & has to impact the favourable treatment Collingwood receive.

 

[Haggas]

We did really well with our picks, also let's face it were not winning a premiership with Hinkley so were better off now for the future when Hinkley finally leaves.

 

[rogerjames]

All up I’m happy enough with our draft haul. I don’t know that we’re any closer to a flag I think we needed to cut harder with a view to draft and be in the window in 2 or 3 years

Having said that, our list management team on balance I think does a great job. All teams have booms and busts and I think our guys do as well as any

Robbie looked as sexy as ever btw. Love the guy.

Robbie is a true professional. Went to a sports night with Robbie, Dixon & Jonas. Only one player showed the desire required to win a flag. Jonas spent question/interview time telling us what a spud he was. This was the captain of an Afl club. Don't care if it's a sportsman's night or not I don't want to hear that from my captain. Dixon talked about work-life balance & how Ken had relaxed after his first 2 years which the players prefered. It was so consistent with our lack of ambition as club.

 

[240volt]

Clubs like Geelong never get f*cked over from what I've seen. They get the red carpet laid out. I think the impact the Vic media has in shaping opinions & expectations is huge & it leads to favourable treatment of Vic clubs. Was interested to read that McGuire was one of the mediators to resolve the Melbourne court case. His influence runs deep & has to impact the favourable treatment Collingwood receive.

I agree with what your saying but if you continually pull your own pants down and bend over you get what you deserve

 

[missionpossible]

Clubs like Geelong never get f*cked over from what I've seen. They get the red carpet laid out. I think the impact the Vic media has in shaping opinions & expectations is huge & it leads to favourable treatment of Vic clubs. Was interested to read that McGuire was one of the mediators to resolve the Melbourne court case. His influence runs deep & has to impact the favourable treatment Collingwood receive.

Our players don't appear to be able to buy farming properties cheaply.

 

[rogerjames]

Our players don't appear to be able to buy farming properties cheaply.

It's never a level playing field. They always find ways to rort the system.

 

[Tibbs]

......
What we gave away is our first round pick next year and a two time AA defender.
We also received picks that might work out good or could be a flop, that’s speculation and won’t be proven either way for sometime.
All I’m saying is for me is I believe we held all the cards and should have got a better deal.
Clubs like Geelong wouldn’t have accepted this deal, that’s why they are winning flags and we are winning fk all.
You like it then goody for you.

Geez, get your head out the sand! We held NO effing cards. Buckleys, zip, sweet buggerall!!

Houston and Collingwood held ALL the cards. As it headed down the track, our only real card was to walk away and make Houston play in 2025, which was in effect like holding the 2 of spades, while your opponent held the joker!

At that point if you told me that we can have Berry, More-eyes, and Richards for him, I would have given you a tonguey!

 

[240volt]

Geez, get your head out the sand! We held NO effing cards. Buckleys, zip, sweet buggerall!!

Sorry about that, I had this stupid idea when you had a player that’s contracted to you and wants to leave you are in a better position to negotiate.
That’s the best thing about this forum, always someone there to clarify things.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Sorry about that, I had this stupid idea when you had a player that’s contracted to you and wants to leave you are in a better position to negotiate.
That’s the best thing about this forum, always someone there to clarify things.

It's great in theory but the reality was he stuffed us by locking us into a deal with one club who had bugger all to give, despite his comments to the contrary.

So what do you do? Keep a guy who doesn't want to be here, who will sulk his way through the year while his manager actively white ants our work with players who are his clients, hope he doesn't get injured then go through it all again. After he's another year older and his form has fallen off a cliff. And even if we fluke a better pick in 2025, it's in the most heavily compromised draft ever.

The reality is we had to do a deal as best we could in the time we had. If Rioli hadn't been going to Gold Coast we probably would have done better, but Richmond were out to screw Gold Coast who basically made the Houston deal happen by taking Noble. Port tried to squeeze more out of Gold Coast but they had no more to give and said This is it, take it or leave it. Then they would have traded pick 13 to North who would have screwed us even harder.

We made the best of a bad situation and on face value things fell our way in the draft and we look to have picked up 3 very good players.

 

[Rigs]

I’m happy with the end result. We’ve got some great young kids through the draft. Houston is happy at Collingwood. Win win

 

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Is this the same Dan that said I'll go anywhere, I just want to be in Melbourne. It always ends the same way, [emoji[emoji6][emoji6]][emoji[emoji6][emoji6]]% power to the player & player manager.

Lying pos, he’s dead to me.


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[240volt]

It's great in theory but the reality was he stuffed us by locking us into a deal with one club who had bugger all to give, despite his comments to the contrary.

So what do you do? Keep a guy who doesn't want to be here, who will sulk his way through the year while his manager actively white ants our work with players who are his clients, hope he doesn't get injured then go through it all again. After he's another year older and his form has fallen off a cliff. And even if we fluke a better pick in 2025, it's in the most heavily compromised draft ever.

The reality is we had to do a deal as best we could in the time we had. If Rioli hadn't been going to Gold Coast we probably would have done better, but Richmond were out to screw Gold Coast who basically made the Houston deal happen by taking Noble. Port tried to squeeze more out of Gold Coast but they had no more to give and said This is it, take it or leave it. Then they would have traded pick 13 to North who would have screwed us even harder.

We made the best of a bad situation and on face value things fell our way in the draft and we look to have picked up 3 very good players.

We was all pretty happy when the news came out the club had put a stop to the deal.
Then they come out the next day and accepted it with a pick 50 something upgrade.
Everyone was pretty pissed about that.
Now it all seams a lot better since the draft as we believe we might have some good players.
Hopefully the club has got it right.

 

[PortAdelFC1997]

I’m happy with the end result. We’ve got some great young kids through the draft. Houston is happy at Collingwood. Win win

Let's just hope Port wins a few flags in the the next few years while the pies languish between 9th onwards for the rest of his career.

We'll see whether he remains "happy" or not. Then again, he is set up financially so there's that and his partner as well.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

I’m happy with the end result. We’ve got some great young kids through the draft. Houston is happy at Collingwood. Win win

Could care less if Houston is happy or not.

I do wish him no success there however.

 

[Tibbs]

Sorry about that, I had this stupid idea when you had a player that’s contracted to you and wants to leave you are in a better position to negotiate.
That’s the best thing about this forum, always someone there to clarify things.

It's great in theory but the reality was he stuffed us by locking us into a deal with one club who had bugger all to give, despite his comments to the contrary.

So what do you do? Keep a guy who doesn't want to be here, who will sulk his way through the year while his manager actively white ants our work with players who are his clients, hope he doesn't get injured then go through it all again. After he's another year older and his form has fallen off a cliff. And even if we fluke a better pick in 2025, it's in the most heavily compromised draft ever.

The reality is we had to do a deal as best we could in the time we had. If Rioli hadn't been going to Gold Coast we probably would have done better, but Richmond were out to screw Gold Coast who basically made the Houston deal happen by taking Noble. Port tried to squeeze more out of Gold Coast but they had no more to give and said This is it, take it or leave it. Then they would have traded pick 13 to North who would have screwed us even harder.

We made the best of a bad situation and on face value things fell our way in the draft and we look to have picked up 3 very good players.

Look 240volt ... I dont want to be insulting, and/or argue with fellow Port supporters. But facts are facts! You cant reply to your post more succinctly than Ford has.

If Houston had of accepted the Melbourne offer, we would have got a really good deal ... By dicking us around & selecting the Pies at the last call, he royally screwed us over. For all the reasons Ford mentions above, we had to fold and take the deal offered.

Actually in the end, we walk away with three players we would probably have been happy to get with Melbourne's offer. I was upset after the deal was done, but am stoked with the final outcome!

 

[JimmyBC]

We are dealers when people want out, there's nothing wrong with posters saying we could've held Houston to his contract, but the club needed to shut it down at the first inkling he wanted to go, once it gathered momentum and they were open to it there was no turning back. The player has mentally checked out & is basically hiring the movers and the club is well down the road of what they are trying to bring in.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

I've been out of communication range for a while and back in civilisation which is nice and these are my quick thoughts on the draft.

I like Berry a lot but love guys after him, Allan, Murphy, Hannaford, Dattoli but having said that, he is the type of player we have been missing for a while, that is, a clinical finisher that will put scoreboard pressure on with his touches. I'm hoping he's not the finished product and can make it in the midfield. I don't see it yet. I hope that Zak Butters

9

Zak Butters

Age

24

Ht

181cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.3

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

6.7

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.8

3star

D

14.7

4star

K

8.9

4star

HB

5.9

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.1

3star

D

17.0

5star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

takes him under his wing. Structurally, a sound investment bolstering our small forwards. High footy IQ player, makes space, runs hard, kicks goals, finishes difficult goals. Can get caught.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[Ford Fairlane]

 

[Port2Power]

Really happy with this draft crop. Wonder who will take our last rookie spot.

It would be great if the club can release an official update on the participants who are competing for the SSP.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Tom Cochrane is quite swarthy looking.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

I was having trouble posting in this thread. Got some of it here.

Moraes is a good later pick. He doesn't seem to have any outstanding traits to be a midfielder at the highest level but in the highlights, has excellent linkup work around the ground and always in it. Could surprise.

The Barrett pick is the last nail in the coffin of the defensive forward codswallop that we've had to endure during the Hinkley reign. Just an unbelievably exciting pick and if he gets a game, he will have some electricity to his game.

Tom Cochrane, I don't know too much about. Rookie pick.

Interesting, we didn't go with any Father, Sons.

I think the draft we have is very solid, not sexy but structurally sound for the team.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

I think getting Jack Whitlock late is a pretty darn good get.

He has the attributes to really dominate if everything comes together. He's tall, a very good mark, quite good with body work, seems to be quick off the lead which is surprising but also has the running capacity of a ruck. He is also a good and natural kick. A lot of skills to work with. A skill set that not many players have.

We needed a tall forward, 2nd ruck and he's the guy.

As I've said, it's all mainly potential but there is a huge wad of it there. Crazy amount.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

St Kilda were into Berry, trying to get him at 9 in a deal with Melbourne.
Sydney tried to trade up to 12 to get Berry.

Then the Power play came for Berry with Port and Freo jockeying for West Coast's pick.

For the Eagles, they had Allan and then Berry as their preferred targets, but could move back one pick with confidence that Allan would still be available because Port was desperate for Berry. Moving back two spots was too risky. The Power ranked Berry slightly ahead of Murphy Reid and Jack Whitlock, and had previously raised packaging up their first two picks to get Melbourne's second selection - without success.

Port would have moved back if Berry and Reid were off the table, then taken Whitlock.