Preview 2022 draft prospects

[gouki88]

Because we still have a heavy reliance on the old guard. Just because we can compete ATM largely due to teh core of our 22 still being similar to the last few years, doesn't mean that in 1, 2 or 3 more seasons that the next group will instantly pick up where pendles steel howe roughead mihocek etc left off.

Every team typically faces a cliff at some stage unless you do a geelong and try dad's army it aiming to prolong that transition but they will fall off a cliff soon and have wasted years doing it.

We have been competitive in large parts due to guys who will be around for the foreseeable future though. Guys like De Goey, the Daicos brothers, Crisp, Quaynor and Lipinski have all had really good efforts this season. Even guys like McCreery, Ginnivan, Kreuger and Reef have had super solid efforts.

We've also not been led by Sidebottom or Roughy at all, and we nearly topped Brisbane without Checkers. Sure, people like Pendlebury, Howe and Elliott are still huge. But there's been lots of good from the young guys

 

[well left]

My view is that he should be playing either CHF or CHB. Right now he is 197cm. Unless he grows, at best he will be a chop out n the ruck. May as well learn how to play a position he is more likely to play.
He is aggressive at least, so hopefully he puts that competitiveness to good use.

Completely agree and been saying this all season. If he’s going to do some ruck then I think we need him to play forward and have Cox and a VFL player as primary ruck.

If he can’t develop forward then we’ve got the option to throw him back later in the year.

McMahon I’m pleased for but still think he’s a forward so would like him to go forward again once Dean is fit.

Knowing where they can best develop will help us know what to draft at the end of the year but we need a couple more key position I think.

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[sr36]

We have been competitive in large parts due to guys who will be around for the foreseeable future though. Guys like De Goey, the Daicos brothers, Crisp, Quaynor and Lipinski have all had really good efforts this season. Even guys like McCreery, Ginnivan, Kreuger and Reef have had super solid efforts.

We've also not been led by Sidebottom or Roughy at all, and we nearly topped Brisbane without Checkers. Sure, people like Pendlebury, Howe and Elliott are still huge. But there's been lots of good from the young guys

The issue is whether you can expect enough kids to come on quickly enough to fill the already existing holes, plus also replace guys like Elliott, Mihocek, Howe, Adams and Crisp who are likely to slow down after the next 3 years, as well as Sidey and Pendles who will be gone.

I think it's either a long slow rebuild or we try to load up now to have a short crack in the short term. I'd try to load up now, as I don't think we are in bad shape. But probably depends on how the rest of the year goes.

 

[Jen2310]

Scully's goals from last week. Some contested marks. And convincing the umpire he took the mark on the goal line.

 

[The Phantom]

He looks the goods.
He also looks so much bigger than the other kids.
How tall is he?

 

[well left]

Scully's goals from last week. Some contested marks. And convincing the umpire he took the mark on the goal line.

Hard to judge given his clear height advantage on his opponent however he did show an ability to kick goals from multiple avenues which is a good sign.

The key for him will be how he goes at Nationals or even if they run him through SANFL reserves.


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[gouki88]

He looks the goods.
He also looks so much bigger than the other kids.
How tall is he?

I've seen him listed as anything between 199-205cms.

So, he's tall. But no idea how tall precisely.

 

[SchuPie]

Scully's goals from last week. Some contested marks. And convincing the umpire he took the mark on the goal line.

Will he do a Logan McDonald and play himself out of our pick range?

 

[gouki88]

Will he do a Logan McDonald and play himself out of our pick range?

It depends on our pick range, but given he's doing this at U18s and not at a higher level it's hard to tell. A lot could be impacted by his efforts at higher levels of competition.

He, Lemmey and Keeler will all be interesting to watch throughout the year.

 

[loki04]

The issue is whether you can expect enough kids to come on quickly enough to fill the already existing holes, plus also replace guys like Elliott, Mihocek, Howe, Adams and Crisp who are likely to slow down after the next 3 years, as well as Sidey and Pendles who will be gone.

I think it's either a long slow rebuild or we try to load up now to have a short crack in the short term. I'd try to load up now, as I don't think we are in bad shape. But probably depends on how the rest of the year goes.

I wanted to like your post then I saw the end line about trying to pinch one now, instead of rebuilding for long term success and my thumb died a little on the inside so couldn't do it.

 

[loki04]

He looks the goods.
He also looks so much bigger than the other kids.
How tall is he?

The good thing is he is getting goals from a mixture of ways.

Schache for example 99% of his goals looked the same he'd lead into space inside 50 and take a uncontested mark then go back and slot it.

Scully looks to be using angles, hit up leads, contested situations, running back to goal, etc signs he has a grasp on creating more then one way of getting the pill and shots.

A lot of failed talls taken are due to them being less contested comps anti density, having a 1 wood and that's it and being soft.

 

[loki04]

We have been competitive in large parts due to guys who will be around for the foreseeable future though. Guys like De Goey, the Daicos brothers, Crisp, Quaynor and Lipinski have all had really good efforts this season. Even guys like McCreery, Ginnivan, Kreuger and Reef have had super solid efforts.

We've also not been led by Sidebottom or Roughy at all, and we nearly topped Brisbane without Checkers. Sure, people like Pendlebury, Howe and Elliott are still huge. But there's been lots of good from the young guys

Sidebottom hasnt been as bad as portrayed and still leads youth on field and makes opposition accountable.

Yes roughead hasn't played much but he is teaching the youth and once gone is one less senior body. However of all the players imo he is most easy to replace with trading.

But Crisp Adams Grundy et el in a few seasons will also be older and hitting 30s. Elliott will be nearing the end.

Degoey Moore Maynard will be late 20s and in their prime but its a small core in the sweet spot.

I reckon there will be another dip coming unless we find some rare talents to go with Daicos.

 

[gouki88]

Sidebottom hasnt been as bad as portrayed and still leads youth on field and makes opposition accountable.

Yes roughead hasn't played much but he is teaching the youth and once gone is one less senior body. However of all the players imo he is most easy to replace with trading.

But Crisp Adams Grundy et el in a few seasons will also be older and hitting 30s. Elliott will be nearing the end.

Degoey Moore Maynard will be late 20s and in their prime but its a small core in the sweet spot.

I reckon there will be another dip coming unless we find some rare talents to go with Daicos.

That's fair enough, I just think that the young guys on the list will be able to supplant a lot of the production that you're talking about. I also have lots of faith in some of the other younger guys to continue developing into premier talents at their position. I don't think the likes of Josh or IQ are done growing.

Only way we'll know is by watching the next few years play out. I'm pretty excited

 

[sr36]

I wanted to like your post then I saw the end line about trying to pinch one now, instead of rebuilding for long term success and my thumb died a little on the inside so couldn't do it.

I'm impatient - plus the full rebuild for long term success fails far more often than it succeeds.

 

[loki04]

I'm impatient - plus the full rebuild for long term success fails far more often than it succeeds.

Given only 1 team wins a flag each year and there has been 4 dynasty teams in 20 odd years. I'd say it's succeeded equally as much as the "can we pinch one" builds, but contending (and winning) for 4 flags is a lot better then (losing with small chance of winning) 1 or 2.

Pinch flag teams are usually also underdogs, odds aren't typically in their favour.

Everytime you say they fail more then succeed you ignore the fact 17 clubs fail every year and that also includes the way you envisage a better path to success.

 

[Quicky]

The good thing is he is getting goals from a mixture of ways.

Schache for example 99% of his goals looked the same he'd lead into space inside 50 and take a uncontested mark then go back and slot it.

Scully looks to be using angles, hit up leads, contested situations, running back to goal, etc signs he has a grasp on creating more then one way of getting the pill and shots.

A lot of failed talls taken are due to them being less contested comps anti density, having a 1 wood and that's it and being soft.

I must say watching him play reminded me of that scene in Billy Madison where he goes back to school and plays dodgeball with school kids. He is ALOT taller than the kids he's playing against. I'd love to see him in the SANFL/SANFL reserves against mature players and see how he goes.

It is encouraging to have different avenues to goal. That's critical + attitude for the contest, which you can't assess from that video.

 

[Apex36]

Scully reminds me of Harry McKay

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Harry Mckay

Age

26

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

in his draft year. Super tall bean pole who was ignored until the end of the top 10 because of the hype surrounding Schache and the name Weideman. He’ll take longer to develop physically than Lemmey or Keeler, but going by those highlights and the multiple avenues he has to the goals, I reckon he’ll be a beauty. Would be happy with any of those 3 SA boys.

 

[sr36]

Given only 1 team wins a flag each year and there has been 4 dynasty teams in 20 odd years. I'd say it's succeeded equally as much as the "can we pinch one" builds, but contending (and winning) for 4 flags is a lot better then (losing with small chance of winning) 1 or 2.

Pinch flag teams are usually also underdogs, odds aren't typically in their favour.

Everytime you say they fail more then succeed you ignore the fact 17 clubs fail every year and that also includes the way you envisage a better path to success.

Where we differ is that I don't think 17 clubs fail every year. I don't think it's premiership or failure. I'd prefer us to be usually competing rather than lots of busts for the hope of a boom.

 

[loki04]

Where we differ is that I don't think 17 clubs fail every year. I don't think it's premiership or failure. I'd prefer us to be usually competing rather than lots of busts for the hope of a boom.

Yeah I don't enjoy constantly being a middling team before potentially getting it right one year, prefer the club set a goal and take some pain but build up to be a very strong unit that has a genuine chance of sustained success hitting prelims gfs and ultimately flagging hopefully 2.

I can fully see why a team would do it at certain stages of a teams life span but imo I think the time is ripe for a full reset.

 

[gouki88]

Scully reminds me of Harry McKay in his draft year. Super tall bean pole who was ignored until the end of the top 10 because of the hype surrounding Schache and the name Weideman. He’ll take longer to develop physically than Lemmey or Keeler, but going by those highlights and the multiple avenues he has to the goals, I reckon he’ll be a beauty. Would be happy with any of those 3 SA boys.

Good shout!

 

[magpies42]

I’d be taking best available, then look to plug gaps through trading next year. Do we have any father sons coming through?

 

[Apex36]

I’d be taking best available, then look to plug gaps through trading next year. Do we have any father sons coming through?

Nicky Christian, who’s a key defender, although it’s hard to tell if he’s going to be draft relevant yet. A little like Kelly was at this point in his draft year.

 

[magpies42]

Nicky Christian, who’s a key defender, although it’s hard to tell if he’s going to be draft relevant yet. A little like Kelly was at this point in his draft year.

Even better, low interest from rival clubs.

 

[Apex36]

Even better, low interest from rival clubs.

I’d prefer to get a really talented player at a discount than a depth player for cheap. Josh Daicos was an exception, most lower rated FS players become Will Kelly or the Browns.

 

[sr36]

I’d prefer to get a really talented player at a discount than a depth player for cheap. Josh Daicos was an exception, most lower rated FS players become Will Kelly or the Browns.

Agree, but there's a strange thing whereby a fair few of the father sons have been late developers who didn't star in the juniors, even some who've gone on to become stars: Ablett, Cloke, Scarlett. Then the same with the next tier like J Daicos, Dunkley, Liam Picken, . I say strange as you'd expect them to have had more development opportunities and thus be more advanced as kids.