Preview 2022 draft prospects

[loki04]

Shouldn’t be a problem. But it seems there are some good ones so maybe bottom 3 isn’t totally required.

Think bottom 10 will see you get a good crack at one.

No. Like Others have said there should be a good KPF prospect around that mark. KPF is our biggest hole but we also need an inside beast and probably another KPD too

Let's be honest we almost need a full spine by the time this rebuild is complete.

Miho is 30 next year and plays a pretty crash and bash style.

We have to churn over the old group into the new so there will be more pain. We have no KPF unless McMahon comes on but they maybe looking at turning him into a defender in D.fletcher mould certainly his build and some of those barrells in teh 2nd half were reminiscentof him in that last quarter vfl.

Over next 2 years 2x KPF, 1x KPD, Developing ruckman. This group will take 5 years to mature.
Grundy will be in his 30s and ready to hand over.

 

[gouki88]

Think bottom 10 will see you get a good crack at one.


Let's be honest we almost need a full spine by the time this rebuild is complete.

Miho is 30 next year and plays a pretty crash and bash style.

We have to churn over the old group into the new so there will be more pain. We have no KPF unless McMahon comes on but they maybe looking at turning him into a defender in D.fletcher mould certainly his build and some of those barrells in teh 2nd half were reminiscentof him in that last quarter vfl.

Over next 2 years 2x KPF, 1x KPD, Developing ruckman. This group will take 5 years to mature.
Grundy will be in his 30s and ready to hand over.

Why do you think our rebuild is going to be such a long one? We're not too far off the top teams in the competition right now, and some of our worse players (Madgen, WHE) are due to be replaced by kids at any minute.

 

[No SPIN]

Which established KPF? There aren't many options around.

Not familiar with contract status of anyone other than McStay.
But I’m certainly coming to the view that finding a KPD, and moving Moore fwd, now that we’re creating so many I50 opportunities needs to be seriously considered if we can’t find an established KPF.

 

[Mick F]

Why do you think our rebuild is going to be such a long one? We're not too far off the top teams in the competition right now, and some of our worse players (Madgen, WHE) are due to be replaced by kids at any minute.

Howe, Sidebottom and Pendlebury final year 2023. So at best we need two KPF, 2 key defenders and a gun midfielder iff our young fellows can develop and cover the flanks.

Won’t be getting them, through recruiting, drafting and development inside 5 years.

 

[No SPIN]

Howe, Sidebottom and Pendlebury final year 2023. So at best we need two KPF, 2 key defenders and a gun midfielder iff our young fellows can develop and cover the flanks.

Won’t be getting them, through recruiting, drafting and development inside 5 years.

The way those 3 are playing I’m not sure 2023 is their limit. Sidey probably looks the most unlikely but HFF could easily extend his career.

 

[gouki88]

Howe, Sidebottom and Pendlebury final year 2023. So at best we need two KPF, 2 key defenders and a gun midfielder iff our young fellows can develop and cover the flanks.

Won’t be getting them, through recruiting, drafting and development inside 5 years.

I'm not so sure Pendlebury retires in 2023 (or Howe, for that matter). Why do you make absolutist claims like your last sentence? I think we're closer than people are giving us credit for. We're a goal or two off some of the best teams in the comp.

I'd almost be tempted to draft someone like Jedd Busslinger and move Moore up forward permanently next season. Dean and Busslinger would be guided by Maynard and Howe, with Quaynor and Noble/Ruscoe. Up forward we'd have Moore, Elliott (maybe) Mihocek, Kreuger, Ginnivan, McCreery, Henry, AJ. Maybe Begg can develop into a promising fwd/ruck option? Through the middle we'd have Nick Daicos, De Goey, Grundy, Adams, Josh Daicos, Lipinski and McInnes. Pendlebury and Crisp can play both midfield and defence. Daicos x2, De Goey, Elliott and Reef can probably all play mid and forward.

It's obviously a game of projecting career arcs, but I'm pretty high on some of the young talent we have here. I can easily foresee Poulter, Macrae, the SA trio and Begg being decent enough to retain.

A lot depends on the next draft. It sure will be interesting. But I think we're in a good place. This gameplan holds up.

 

[Quicky]

Howe, Sidebottom and Pendlebury final year 2023. So at best we need two KPF, 2 key defenders and a gun midfielder iff our young fellows can develop and cover the flanks.

Won’t be getting them, through recruiting, drafting and development inside 5 years.

I think we've got some of those fixes on the list already.

Nick Daicos will work his way into the midfield to replace Pendlebury.

I think Lipinski replaces Sidebottom on a wing.

Dean I think looks good as a key defender.

Krueger looks good as a tall forward. On top of that, I would retain our high draft picks and target a developing key forward. That won't be an immediate or easy fix.

I would strongly target Tom Highmore, who is out of contract at years end, for life post Howe.

I think with our cap now manageable there will be opportunities to target free agents. The timing of that will be crucial. It's probably next year at the earliest.

 

[No SPIN]

I think we've got some of those fixes on the list already.

Nick Daicos will work his way into the midfield to replace Pendlebury.

I think Lipinski replaces Sidebottom on a wing.

Dean I think looks good as a key defender.

Krueger looks good as a tall forward. On top of that, I would retain our high draft picks and target a developing key forward. That won't be an immediate or easy fix.

I would strongly target Tom Highmore, who is out of contract at years end, for life post Howe.

I think with our cap now manageable there will be opportunities to target free agents. The timing of that will be crucial. It's probably next year at the earliest.

I’d happily take Highmore to allow Moore to go fwd.

 

[Quicky]

I’d happily take Highmore to allow Moore to go fwd.

Highmore is a third tall and wouldn't allow Moore to go forward. He can pinch hit as a key defender but it isn't his best role. You'd be recruiting a bloke and setting him up to under perform.

 

[gouki88]

Highmore is a third tall and wouldn't allow Moore to go forward. He can pinch hit as a key defender but it isn't his best role. You'd be recruiting a bloke and setting him up to under perform.

I think he might be assuming alongside Dean and Roughead/McMahon. Hopefully McMahon can develop well as a KPD.

I've lost all hope for Kelly

 

[VinnieB]

Why do you think our rebuild is going to be such a long one? We're not too far off the top teams in the competition right now, and some of our worse players (Madgen, WHE) are due to be replaced by kids at any minute.

Speaking of which (WHE), am I missing something or is he adding nothing to the team at the moment?

Why not give someone else a go?

 

[VinnieB]

I still think in 2-3 yrs, McMahon and Begg will form a lethal duo

 

[Quicky]

I think he might be assuming alongside Dean and Roughead/McMahon. Hopefully McMahon can develop well as a KPD.

I've lost all hope for Kelly

Roughead might have one more year. McMahon looks a fair way off it atm. I don't think you'd get the outcome you're after. You get maybe one year of it. Then it's just Dean and Highmore (in that scenario) which is an issue.

 

[gouki88]

Roughead might have one more year. McMahon looks a fair way off it atm. I don't think you'd get the outcome you're after. You get maybe one year of it. Then it's just Dean and Highmore (in that scenario) which is an issue.

That would be problematic. Could potentially offset it by looking for more Roughead/Dunn type recruits to have manning the monsters. I have not looked for any such guys becoming available soon though.

 

[Quicky]

Not familiar with contract status of anyone other than McStay.
But I’m certainly coming to the view that finding a KPD, and moving Moore fwd, now that we’re creating so many I50 opportunities needs to be seriously considered if we can’t find an established KPF.

Here are your options.

What do you do? How do you make it work?

RFA
Daniel McStay
Lance Franklin

UFA
Taylor Walker
Michael Hurley
Tom Hawkins
Jack Gunston
Jack Reiwoldt
Sam Reid
Josh Kennedy

OOC
Elliott Himmelberg
James Stewart
Kaine Baldwin
Nicholas Cox
Zach Reid
Jack Lukosius
Levi Casboult
Jarrod Brander
Emerson Jeka
Mitchell Lewis
Luke Jackson
Majak Daw
Mitchell Brown
Josh Walker
Tristan Xerri
Jack Hayes
Josh Battle
Josh Schache
Tim English

 

[Apex36]

I still think in 2-3 yrs, McMahon and Begg will form a lethal duo

What is it about their ruck work and defensive work that makes you say that?

 

[Quicky]

That would be problematic. Could potentially offset it by looking for more Roughead/Dunn type recruits to have manning the monsters. I have not looked for any such guys becoming available soon though.

I think we need to keep an eye on those possibilities. I actually think Dan McStay as a defender is a smart option. As a forward he can provide structure, is quick, nuetralises aerial contests , but doesn't create many scoring opportunities from that. I think his ability not to get beaten in the air is a fantastic quality for a key defender. I think there'll be a few Victorian clubs like the WB looking at him as a defender.

 

[sr36]

Why do you think our rebuild is going to be such a long one? We're not too far off the top teams in the competition right now, and some of our worse players (Madgen, WHE) are due to be replaced by kids at any minute.

If it's going to be a genuine rebuild rather than just adding parts to what we already had, we're looking at a long haul. Cats built their awesome team primarily from two fabulous drafts 1999 and 2001 - it didn't reap the rewards until 2007. Which has been pretty standard for teams built through the draft. Most players peak at 24+, so it's usually 6+ years before you can realistically expect even an extremely talented group of draftees to be really delivering. And I don't think we've got that talented a group of kids yet.

We've got a fair bit of mature talent. The way I see it, our choice is to top up and try to have a short crack over the next few years - if we now have cap space - or it's a long haul through the draft like Loki is suggesting.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I think we need to keep an eye on those possibilities. I actually think Dan McStay as a defender is a smart option. As a forward he can provide structure, is quick, nuetralises aerial contests , but doesn't create many scoring opportunities from that. I think his ability not to get beaten in the air is a fantastic quality for a key defender. I think there'll be a few Victorian clubs like the WB looking at him as a defender.

Expensive proposition, paying for FA forwards only to turn them into defenders.

 

[Quicky]

Expensive proposition, paying for FA forwards only to turn them into defenders.

Yeah the deal would need to be right in terms of contract length and amount to go there. Which probably makes it unworkable. I'm just saying I think McStay could be a good key defender if played there.

 

[VinnieB]

What is it about their ruck work and defensive work that makes you say that?

Not ruck. I mean key position.
It’s all hope really.
They are looking capable and still have a few more years to develop and get it together. They don’t need to be in the best 6 key position players in the game. If they can provide the kind of service Mihocek has, then that will be enough.

 

[Apex36]

Not ruck. I mean key position.

I know. But Begg has literally only played in the ruck and McMahon looks like he’s beginning to flourish in defence. Hence the question.

It’s all hope really.
They are looking capable and still have a few more years to develop and get it together. They don’t need to be in the best 6 key position players in the game. If they can provide the kind of service Mihocek has, then that will be enough.

I think we all hope they can be what you’re saying. At this point though, I’m liking Liam in defence, and Begg has still yet to do a single thing besides provide a decent ruck contest. He hasn’t kicked a goal, hasn’t even taken a mark. I know that Jen has built the hype for him but I’m just not seeing it at this point.

 

[VinnieB]

I know. But Begg has literally only played in the ruck and McMahon looks like he’s beginning to flourish in defence. Hence the question.

I think we all hope they can be what you’re saying. At this point though, I’m liking Liam in defence, and Begg has still yet to do a single thing besides provide a decent ruck contest. He hasn’t kicked a goal, hasn’t even taken a mark. I know that Jen has built the hype for him but I’m just not seeing it at this point.

My view is that he should be playing either CHF or CHB. Right now he is 197cm. Unless he grows, at best he will be a chop out n the ruck. May as well learn how to play a position he is more likely to play.
He is aggressive at least, so hopefully he puts that competitiveness to good use.

Yes McMahon is improving on the backline. Could be due to his second year at the club, better strength, confidence etc, but I don't think he has played forward at all this season. Who knows, maybe he could show something forward as well?

But my initial post was actually just messing around. It wasn't a serious statement that they will be top AFL players. Probably need to work on my use of emojis.

It was more about 2x 19 yr old big kids we have on the list that may turn out to be good solid AFL players. Apart from a few rare key position players, there are quite a number that have little to no impact as 19 year olds. It's still very early on these boys. I look at Himmelberg for instance, and this is his 5th season and, while not a world beater, has really improved and began to impact games.

 

[loki04]

Why do you think our rebuild is going to be such a long one? We're not too far off the top teams in the competition right now, and some of our worse players (Madgen, WHE) are due to be replaced by kids at any minute.

Because we still have a heavy reliance on the old guard. Just because we can compete ATM largely due to teh core of our 22 still being similar to the last few years, doesn't mean that in 1, 2 or 3 more seasons that the next group will instantly pick up where pendles steel howe roughead mihocek etc left off.

Every team typically faces a cliff at some stage unless you do a geelong and try dad's army it aiming to prolong that transition but they will fall off a cliff soon and have wasted years doing it.

 

[Rusty Beam]

There are quite a few prospects showing a bit this year Keeler might not go on with it and another might.

There is about 8 to10 around the country to watch this draft from what I've read.

Yeah there are quite a few. But I think the quality drops off pretty quickly and Lemmey is fairly clearly at the top at the moment.

Scully is coming like a rocket, but that has to be tempered by the standard of the SANFL under 18 comp.

Perhaps someone else will explode as the season progresses, especially if they can do it at the champs. But I’m definitely not seeing it out of the Vic key forward prospects.

If Scully can do it at the champs it will probably be the thing that franks his season as a top echelon prospect.