Preview 2022 draft prospects

[manicpie]

No, according to manicpie,
Didn't Lynch kick 7 goals on Moore lol

It happens, it's just football

 

[cityslick1]

Don't remind me lol The reason why we lost the game.

And ended any chance of him getting an AA jacket

 

[The Royal Sampler]

This draft has now been ruined by the faint possibility we could have gotten Hewett at #17.

 

[Jen2310]

And ended any chance of him getting an AA jacket

I don't totally blame him. Were learning a new game plan where they play a team defence rather than standard one-on-one. But the 2nd half of the game was better.

 

[unplugged]

A list. Of the most accurate top ten you'll see.

 

[Bianconeri]

Murley is too slight to be counted amongst the options as yet, but I personally think Reef and Harrison are likely to be flankers if they make it.

Conversely I could see Carmichael playing some inside mid, and Draper has shown the most in that position.

I’m not confident Murley makes it but he’s on the list (or at least going to be listed) and most flanker draftees will probably be as ready as him anyways.

Carmichael is see as inside mid long/medium term but I think he’ll have to bide his time as a flanker for the next one or two years. Draper has shown some nice movement through traffic in the midfield but I don’t think that’s enough.

 

[Gone Critical]

I think most good mids are quality parts of their midfield by 22.

KPP however usually by 24.

Mids typically have a smaller ready by date.

What was the Dogs midfield ages in their premiership?

Melbourne's in their flag?

Even ours in 2010. Pendles shaz Thomas Beams etc all sub even if filling wings and flanks as well. They contribute to team success much earlier.

Even that is too soft a call. Mids and flankers contribute early in their career. Plenty make contributions to flags very early in their career and all flag teams have big inputs from their 24 and unders.
Gone Critical
Since 2007 these are the 24 and under flag players

2007 8 players Selwood 19yo youngest
2008 9 players including Buddy 21, Rioli 19, Roughy 21 Lewis 22 Birchall 20
2009 4 players Selwood 21 hawk 21
2010 13 players Pendles 22, Sidey 19, Beams 20, Reid 21, Brown 22, Cloke 23 and Dawes 22, last 4 = spine
2011 5 players Duncan 20 Christensen 20
2012 6 players Parker 19, Reid 20, Hanners 21, Jetta 23
2013 7 players Hill 20 Gunston 21 Breust 22 Shiels 22
2014 6 players
2015 4 players
2016 15 players Bont 20, Cordy 19, Dunkley 19, Boyd 21, Macrae 22, Stringer 22, Hunter 21, Daniel 20
2017 11 players Rioli 20 Graham 19 Butler 21 Castagna 21
2018 8 players Ryan 21, Rioli 23 Venable 19 Duggan 21 Sheed 23
2019 6 players Bolton 19 Baker 21 Rioli 22
2020 7 players Bolton 20 Balta 20 Graham 22
2021 9 players Jackson, 19 Bowey 19 Pickett 20 Jordan 20 Rivers 20 Petty 21 Sparrow 21 Spargo 21 Oliver 24
2022 7 players granted the oldest falg side forever had most of those around 24, Holmes missed as their youngest player

Look at ND, Ginny and McCreery in our side this year. Good young players, not only great ones , demand spots in the 22 early, they dont wait patiently

The standard pathway, no matter where you are picked, for non KP/rucks is to play a good few games year 1, most games year 2 and all games from then on. There will be exceptions, Josh Daicos took a season longer, but mainly if you dont do this you dont end up being a player. Even if you do this you dont necessarily make it, Cal Brown 5, 8, 22 games 1st 3 seasons then dropped off.

Someone posted earlier that they were not worried about Fin Macrea cause his brother started slowly with 17 possies av 1st season over 13 games. Next season he was 21 games av nearly 27 possies a game and 10 Brownlow votes. Unfortunately for Fin thats a world of difference. On the stats Fin is up against it. Players who end up solid and beyond usually dont drop off to 2 games in their 2nd season. Fin needs to smash the door down this season, I think he is a chance but he needs to do it soon.

Point is here whoever we pick up next week should be looking for games in 2023 at a minimum. AFL doesnt wait and its cutthroat. Its what the good players do. More of them come from the top of the draft but the ones who are good from later picks are generally good early, See Ginny and Mcreery.

Plenty of flag sides have yound mids making a big contribution.

 

[Fat Jesus]

A list. Of the most accurate top ten you'll see.

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I'm warming to Ed Allan.
Plus two talls. Perhaps Keeler and Hayes or Barnett.
Allan will be a gun

 

[loki04]

I don't totally blame him. Were learning a new game plan where they play a team defence rather than standard one-on-one. But the 2nd half of the game was better.

We played team defence under Buckley, if anything Moore was asked to be more accountable 1v1 last year.

 

[Apex36]

I'm warming to Ed Allan.
Plus two talls. Perhaps Keeler and Hayes or Barnett.
Allan will be a gun

He’ll be gone before our first selection.

 

[loki04]

He’ll be gone before our first selection.

West Coast - Allen and Hewett double.

Was like them taking Dom Sheed he was locked in before the draft had started even to the point they were so certain they traded their pick to us and we agreed not to select him.
Didn't that comeback to bite us on the arse.

 

[KJpie]

West Coast - Allen and Hewett double.

Was like them taking Dom Sheed he was locked in before the draft had started even to the point they were so certain they traded their pick to us and we agreed not to select him.
Didn't that comeback to bite us on the arse.

If Ginbey is still there at their first it will be an interesting call.Ginbey or Allan, Buss will also be part of the discussion

 

[Jen2310]

Spanner in the works

 

[Fat Jesus]

He’ll be gone before our first selection.

I think so as well. That had him at 26 which I can't see.
He was injured for most the year.
Hopefully overlooked

 

[Jen2310]

Richmond has shown the most interest in Scully.. Makes sense. But they wouldn't take both Scully and Lemmey I wouldn't think

 

[Fat Jesus]

More indigenous boys. Start building a good culture with them.
Like Keeler

After a while they will all want to play with us.

Hill, Johnson, Krueger a good start..

It has worked well with Essendon and Brisbane.

Sadly in the past we haven't gone down this path.

I'm thinking stacks of talent up North that most teams have no idea of..

Just a rant..

 

[unplugged]

I can see it now. On the clock with pick 29, Keeler the highest rated player available on the draft board...

Eyes wide open, what's going to happen here...

Next second, Collingwood trade pick 29 to Freo for 32 & 42 or something random. And then Freo take him instead.

 

[Fat Jesus]

I can see it now. On the clock with pick 29, Keeler the highest rated player available on the draft board...

Eyes wide open, what's going to happen here...

Next second, Collingwood trade pick 29 to Freo for 32 & 42 or something random. And then Freo take him instead.

Party pooper

 

[sr36]

Even that is too soft a call. Mids and flankers contribute early in their career. Plenty make contributions to flags very early in their career and all flag teams have big inputs from their 24 and unders.
Gone Critical
Since 2007 these are the 24 and under flag players

2007 8 players Selwood 19yo youngest
2008 9 players including Buddy 21, Rioli 19, Roughy 21 Lewis 22 Birchall 20
2009 4 players Selwood 21 hawk 21
2010 13 players Pendles 22, Sidey 19, Beams 20, Reid 21, Brown 22, Cloke 23 and Dawes 22, last 4 = spine
2011 5 players Duncan 20 Christensen 20
2012 6 players Parker 19, Reid 20, Hanners 21, Jetta 23
2013 7 players Hill 20 Gunston 21 Breust 22 Shiels 22
2014 6 players
2015 4 players
2016 15 players Bont 20, Cordy 19, Dunkley 19, Boyd 21, Macrae 22, Stringer 22, Hunter 21, Daniel 20
2017 11 players Rioli 20 Graham 19 Butler 21 Castagna 21
2018 8 players Ryan 21, Rioli 23 Venable 19 Duggan 21 Sheed 23
2019 6 players Bolton 19 Baker 21 Rioli 22
2020 7 players Bolton 20 Balta 20 Graham 22
2021 9 players Jackson, 19 Bowey 19 Pickett 20 Jordan 20 Rivers 20 Petty 21 Sparrow 21 Spargo 21 Oliver 24
2022 7 players granted the oldest falg side forever had most of those around 24, Holmes missed as their youngest player

Look at ND, Ginny and McCreery in our side this year. Good young players, not only great ones , demand spots in the 22 early, they dont wait patiently

The standard pathway, no matter where you are picked, for non KP/rucks is to play a good few games year 1, most games year 2 and all games from then on. There will be exceptions, Josh Daicos took a season longer, but mainly if you dont do this you dont end up being a player. Even if you do this you dont necessarily make it, Cal Brown 5, 8, 22 games 1st 3 seasons then dropped off.

Someone posted earlier that they were not worried about Fin Macrea cause his brother started slowly with 17 possies av 1st season over 13 games. Next season he was 21 games av nearly 27 possies a game and 10 Brownlow votes. Unfortunately for Fin thats a world of difference. On the stats Fin is up against it. Players who end up solid and beyond usually dont drop off to 2 games in their 2nd season. Fin needs to smash the door down this season, I think he is a chance but he needs to do it soon.

Point is here whoever we pick up next week should be looking for games in 2023 at a minimum. AFL doesnt wait and its cutthroat. Its what the good players do. More of them come from the top of the draft but the ones who are good from later picks are generally good early, See Ginny and Mcreery.

Plenty of flag sides have yound mids making a big contribution.

From that list, I can see Pendles, Selwood and Bont as blokes who were playing predominantly centre square in those years. Obviously might have missed a couple, but if you're good enough to be a centre square premiership mid really young, you're pretty bloody special. More talls in that list. Which is my point about the time for particular roles.

Edit: Dogs had a couple of other really young mids. Daniel was a full time mid then too.

 

[CPH12]

Hopefully not

Who would want to be a recruiter? If we complete our due diligence and overlook Hewett at 16 and he ends up being a gun, we curse Hine for 10 years. If we take Hewett at 16 and he ends up being a knob, we curse Hine for not learning from past mistakes.

 

[sr36]

From my perspective it’s both.

No point pining over a player who according to reports is unlikely to be available.

However that considered approach obviously changes should a prospect unexpectedly be available (in my case Hewett).

Dream draft for me now in order of preference and taking into account likely availability, (given Hewett is almost certain to slide):

Pick 16: Hewett / Hayes

Pick 25: Charlie Clarke / Brayden George / Lachie Cowan / Jakob Ryan

Pick 27: Isaac Keeler

Pick 51: Harry Lemmey / Adam D’Aloia / Joe Richards / Finn Emile-Brennan

I think the point he making is

Pick 25 and 27 are two picks apart, you've got 4 blokes as ones you want for 25, yet don't seem to want any of them for 27.

 

[The Dawes]

I'd be happy with 2/3 of Cowan, Hustwaite, Clarke, Keeler and Barnett.

Warming a little to Clarke, seems to possess a bit of see you in the Northern Territory about him and you need blokes with this trait on your list if you want to win anything.

Do feel that Cowan will be our first pick if he's available.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

What about a trade with Sydney.

Our future 1st and pick 25 for 14, 17, future 2nd (34) and future 3rd (52).

Would Sydney be desperate enough to do it? Or do we keep our future 1st?

 

[Apex36]

What about a trade with Sydney.

Our future 1st and pick 25 for 14, 17, future 2nd (34) and future 3rd (52).

Would Sydney be desperate enough to do it? Or do we keep our future 1st?

They’re not doing that. Way too far in our favour.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

They’re not doing that. Way too far in our favour.

Maybe if we throw in pick 27 as well. But I am liking that deal much much less.