List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and Trading Thread - Part 2

[Scorpus]

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And 2024 as it stands

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[WeeBlake]

Is it though?

Yes, it is. See: Geelong, Sydney, Brisbane, Port, Saints, Hawks, GWS

 

[George Kramer]

Yes, it is. See: Geelong, Sydney, Brisbane, Port, Saints, Hawks, GWS

How many rucks have Port drafted over recent years?

Eagles, Melbourne and Freo just drafted a ruck, I’d have to go through the whole draft but I’m sure there would be others.

Only 4 clubs don’t have a U22 ruck on their list, that’s a lot of undeveloped rucks clubs have drafted or are you suggesting they’ve been traded in?

And people forget who we are and where we are, a lot easier for Vic clubs to trade in players, not so much us.

 

[Thetrader15]

How many rucks have Port drafted over recent years?

Eagles, Melbourne and Freo just drafted a ruck, I’d have to go through the whole draft but I’m sure there would be others.

Only 4 clubs don’t have a U22 ruck on their list, that’s a lot of undeveloped rucks clubs have drafted or are you suggesting they’ve been traded in?

And people forget who we are and where we are, a lot easier for Vic clubs to trade in players, not so much us.

Port's rucks on their list since 2010:

Draft: Frampton, Hayes, Ladhams, Redden, Teakle, Shaw Visitentini, Curnow

Trade / FA: Lycett, Ryder, Buzza, Renouf

Which seems to be the better approach?

 

[Golumless]

How many rucks have Port drafted over recent years?

Eagles, Melbourne and Freo just drafted a ruck, I’d have to go through the whole draft but I’m sure there would be others.

Only 4 clubs don’t have a U22 ruck on their list, that’s a lot of undeveloped rucks clubs have drafted or are you suggesting they’ve been traded in?

And people forget who we are and where we are, a lot easier for Vic clubs to trade in players, not so much us.

Ports trade record in the past decade + our last two years indicates that not the case. Heck you could even draw parallels to Norths struggles to attract good players in the latter part of the decade that even Vic teams aren't immune to it.

If a club isn't seen as a shitshow off-field, they will attract good players without too much drama. Likelihood its a canary in a coalmine if a club is regularly failing at it.

 

[WeeBlake]

Getting rucks in their mid 20s by trade is so common it’s almost a cliche

 

[Crow till I die]

Port's rucks on their list since 2010:

Draft: Frampton, Hayes, Ladhams, Redden, Teakle, Shaw Visitentini, Curnow

Trade / FA: Lycett, Ryder, Buzza, Renouf

Which seems to be the better approach?

I guess someone has to take them on and develop them. Look at ROB, he was a borderline delist after not getting a look in for years and then the opportunity arose and he stepped up. It would seem wise to always have 1 developing ruck on the list with a back up and a primary ruck so 3 in total - maybe 4 if that ruck can also play KPP at a pinch

 

[WeeBlake]

Getting rucks in their mid 20s by trade is so common it’s almost a cliche

In fact, there is a cliche to describe the phenomenon: “ruck merry-go-round”

 

[WeeBlake]

Yes, it is. See: Geelong, Sydney, Brisbane, Port, Saints, Hawks, GWS

Also: Richmond, Goldcoast

 

[George Kramer]

Draft: Frampton, Hayes, Ladhams, Redden, Teakle, Shaw Visitentini, Curnow

Trade / FA: Lycett, Ryder, Buzza, Renouf

Which seems to be the better approach?

A number of young ruckman on that list who are still yet to play but they haven’t used much draft capital in the process and some of the names you listed aren’t rucks.

Lycett - big contract that many on here laughed at them for doing and he’s sucked or been injured recently, so hardly call that a win unless you are?
Ryder- again another big contract but turned out to be a gun

A number on here downplay ruckman, are you prepared to draft in an experienced ruck on big coin?

Our ruckman, drafted as a rookie in 2014.

What’s the better approach?

 

[George Kramer]

Also: Richmond, Goldcoast

Why are you talking to yourself? Care to comment on how many clubs have a ruck that’s U22 on their list?

 

[George Kramer]

Ports trade record in the past decade + our last two years indicates that not the case. Heck you could even draw parallels to Norths struggles to attract good players in the latter part of the decade that even Vic teams aren't immune to it.

If a club isn't seen as a shitshow off-field, they will attract good players without too much drama. Likelihood its a canary in a coalmine if a club is regularly failing at it.

They’ve also given decent contracts to players to get them over here they wouldn’t get elsewhere and we’ve mocked them.

What’s better, paying big coin to a ruck to get them here, giving up draft capital or developing your own?

2014 the last time since we’ve drafted a ruck, I repeat 2014, that’s not normal.

 

[WeeBlake]

Why are you talking to yourself? Care to comment on how many clubs have a ruck that’s U22 on their list?

Most I guess, inc us. It would nice to have another one but it’s well down the list of things for us to get up tight about.

 

[George Kramer]

Most I guess, inc us. It would nice to have another one but it’s well down the list of things for us to get up tight about.

Actually no we don’t, we haven’t drafted a ruck since 2014.

And I’m not uptight, I’m offering an opinion on a list imbalance, not my fault others are wrong

 

[Thetrader15]

A number of young ruckman on that list who are still yet to play but they haven’t used much draft capital in the process and some of the names you listed aren’t rucks.

Lycett - big contract that many on here laughed at them for doing and he’s sucked or been injured recently, so hardly call that a win unless you are?
Ryder- again another big contract but turned out to be a gun

A number on here downplay ruckman, are you prepared to draft in an experienced ruck on big coin?

Our ruckman, drafted as a rookie in 2014.

What’s the better approach?

So are you saying ROB's a pretty decent ruck?

I think he's more than serviceable, didn't have his best year but his best is pretty good.

Unless it's a Luke Jackson type, I'm pretty happy to trade one in for a 3rd or 4th round pick (eg Hickey, Meek, Pittonet) or go a rookie draft.

Either way, it's not a lot of capital to spend, and both approaches are fine.

That said, I'd have preferred we did get a developing ruck this year, particularly with a couple of decent athletic guys from SA, but it's not the end of the world.

 

[Rags_118]

When you have two bog average ruckman on your list, it would be nice to have a junior with the hope of being better. Maybe someone like Sam Draper (2017) will come along next year when we have some rookie space.

 

[George Kramer]

So are you saying ROB's a pretty decent ruck?

I think he's mor than serviceable, didn't have his best year but his best is pretty good.

Unless it's a Luke Jackson type, I'm pretty happy to trade one in for a 3rd or 4th round pick (eg Hickey, Meek, Pittonet) or go a rookie draft.

Either way, it's not a lot of capital to spend, and both approaches are fine.

That said, I'd have preferred we did get a developing ruck this year, particularly with a couple of decent athletic guys from SA, but it's not the end of the world.

ROB, whilst not the best ruck is our leading ruckman and does ok against guys like Lycett.

Ideally we’d have one we can develop to replace him, as I’m not convinced getting a decent one here is going to be as easy as it’s been suggested.

I know it’s not the end of the world but it’s just weird list management, we have not drafted a ruck since 2014 and I’d be 100% certain we’d be the longest in the comp given there are only 4 clubs without a ruck under 22. Maybe Hamish and Reid are geniuses, personally I don’t think so

 

[Scorpus]

ROB, whilst not the best ruck is our leading ruckman and does ok against guys like Lycett.

Ideally we’d have one we can develop to replace him, as I’m not convinced getting a decent one here is going to be as easy as it’s been suggested.

I know it’s not the end of the world but it’s just weird list management, we have not drafted a ruck since 2014 and I’d be 100% certain we’d be the longest in the comp given there are only 4 clubs without a ruck under 22. Maybe Hamish and Reid are geniuses, personally I don’t think so

We drafted Strachan in 2018, though he wasn't really a young ruck

 

[George Kramer]

We drafted Strachan in 2018, though he wasn't really a young ruck

Sorry that’s what I meant.

 

[Carmo]

I swear I need to repeat that if we've gone from seeing TT as a forward to seeing him as a ruck then we should have a young high potential ruckman on our hands.

If that's the case though, pick 2 was probably a bit much to pay for a ruckman and who's going to be our second key forward?

Or maybe I should shut up because there's such a thing as a forward-ruck that is a very useful component to have in any team.

 

[spenze]

What’s the ideal number of rucks on a list?

for us?

Zero

 

[spenze]

I swear I need to repeat that if we've gone from seeing TT as a forward to seeing him as a ruck then we should have a young high potential ruckman on our hands.

If that's the case though, pick 2 was probably a bit much to pay for a ruckman and who's going to be our second key forward?

Or maybe I should shut up because there's such a thing as a forward-ruck that is a very useful component to have in any team.

Imagine two of them, how good would that have been but you know, inside mids who can't kick are way more tempting to Hamish. It'd be worth it just for an hour to have Hamish lead to our mids and see if he thinks that maybe elite foot skills might be the way to go when drafting

 

[Crowked]

I swear I need to repeat that if we've gone from seeing TT as a forward to seeing him as a ruck then we should have a young high potential ruckman on our hands.

If that's the case though, pick 2 was probably a bit much to pay for a ruckman and who's going to be our second key forward?

Or maybe I should shut up because there's such a thing as a forward-ruck that is a very useful component to have in any team.

Very big body mid

 

[rabidcrow]

15? Where did you pluck that number from?

We didn’t waste picks 4 and 5 on small forwards, if we did Hamish and Reid should be sacked.

So across 2 teams, how many rucks?

You named 11 midfielders - including 2/3 that are clearly going to be forward mids for the near future
My number of 15 (at least) is looking at having at least 7 in the AFL team plus 2 forwards capable of running through the midfield plus a similar number developing in the Sanfl team - so the squad needs at least 15 or so mids to play centre square, wings and rotations.

So my point was you can’t really have too many and it’s not surprising we took two more - particularly if we think one of them can play down back

In terms of ruck - we are running the gauntlet a bit with only having 2 recognised ruckman and two forward rucks on the team. I would like another but I am not fussed we haven’t drafted one - should be easy enough to trade one in when the rest of the team is set


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[Ramify]

brown will be getting close to, if not all, his full salary. No way he foregoes half his last year of contract. That's as dumb a view as possible.

So what's the go with these retirement payouts? I'm naive I know, but does that basically suggest he, Gibbs etc were tapped on their shoulder's and wouldn't have retired otherwise?

 

[George Kramer]

So what's the go with these retirement payouts? I'm naive I know, but does that basically suggest he, Gibbs etc were tapped on their shoulder's and wouldn't have retired otherwise?

I can’t see them leaving much money behind, might as well see out the year