List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[DJ75]

My guesses from a year out:

Billy Frampton: Delist
Elliot Himmelberg: Delist
Mitch Hinge: Keep
James Rowe: Rookie list
Taylor Walker: Retire
Lachlan Gollant: 2-year contract
James Borlase (R): Delist
Tariek Newchurch (R): 1-year rookie contract, or delisted with the promise of being re-drafted. (I can't remember how rookie contracts work).
Patrick Parnell (R): 3-year contract and promotion to the main list in 2024.
Ben Davis (R): Delist.

I think both Borlase and Davis will survive.

Davis has found his spot across half back. He will probably play some AFL games this year. If he doesn't, he might win the SANFL B&F.

Borlase has improved each year. The coaches have spoken highly of him this year. He might even play AFL at some point this year (if we get injuries/illness).

 

[WeeBlake]

I’m sure any club would love to have him, but I don’t think any club would benefit more from Tim Taranto

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Tim Taranto

Age

26

Ht

188cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.3

5star

K

12.8

5star

HB

9.5

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.0

4star

CL

5.5

5star

D

15.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

4.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

than us. Out of contract this year I think. Right age, right type.

 

[nerRADIAN]

The importance of mid height is a bit overstated, Richmonds whole midfield 2017-2020 was built on medium-small mids.

Martin 6'1
Cotchin 6'1
Edwards 5'11
Lambert 5'11
Prestia 5'9
Bolton 5'9

A couple of inches makes no difference to a midfielder and it's not an excuse to get beaten in the middle. Experience, speed and skill seems to be the common theme amongst the above mids.

 

[Golumless]

I think both Borlase and Davis will survive.

Davis has found his spot across half back. He will probably play some AFL games this year. If he doesn't, he might win the SANFL B&F.

Borlase has improved each year. The coaches have spoken highly of him this year. He might even play AFL at some point this year (if we get injuries/illness).

Half back is one of the easiest spots to look good in and all this year will be is Davis falling further and further back in the depth chart. Was a waste of time recontracting him this year.

Borlase might survive, especially if we cut Frampton and considering how many list changes we want to make. Seems like a case of when not if he gets delisted though.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Hately is slow, fumbly and mis-times his kicks (which leads to floating kicks with no penetration).

I was being diplomatic .....not harsh & heartless like yourself

 

[Jirkago75]

Here's the list of players who aren't currently contracted for 2023:

Contracted until end of 2022
Billy Frampton
Elliot Himmelberg
Mitch Hinge
James Rowe
Taylor Walker
Lachlan Gollant
James Borlase (R)
Tariek Newchurch (R)
Patrick Parnell (R)
Ben Davis (R)

My guess:

• Walker to retire.
• One of Billy/Berg to be delisted (my guess would be Billy)
• Davis to be delisted.
• Gollant to be re-signed.

I have no idea what fate awaits the other rookies. Hinge's entire 2021 campaign was wiped out by the shoulder injury, which makes his situation very hard to judge right now (I'm sure it will become clearer once the season begins). Rowe is the one with the big question marks hanging over his head - can he hold off the likes of Rachele, McAdam, and Murphy, to keep his position in the team (and thus on the list)?

Sad that we will have no draft capital in this bunch. Still think we need another big draft before hitting 2024 with free agents

 

[crows dude]

Rebuild one

Years 2002-2007 = 2005 and 2006 really gave us a chance for a flag but failed. We had Macca, Roo, Goody etx all in their prime. We never re-built and just kept on trying for a flag. We got tired and 2010-11 were terrible.


Rebuild two
2012 - Enter Sando. Sando came in and took over am extremely fit side and made them tough. Probably went too far. But as we were already really fit from Craig years he went with the boxing. I saw 2012 as the start of the re-build. Extremely lucky with the help of Bailey that we still managed a prelim and a kick away from the GF.

Then Bails got sick. Sand struggled without his side kick and couldnt get the playing group back up the next two years.

Walshy then comes in and bring something different. In the 4th year of the rebuild as well. We all know what happed but we still made finals.

2016 - Pyke comes in and continues where Walshy left off. Got us up to the finals again and has us the best side in the comp in 2017. Except for that final day that mattered most.

2018-2019 - Pykey went all out again. I thought 2017 was our last year and that we needed to start the re-build then. But Pykey tried for another two years and of course failed.

Rebuild three and complete rebuild compared to previous
2020 - Full Complete re-build. So if 2012 was our last start and that to 2017 to make a GF Then this one with a complete re-build I see 2025-2026 as the years we will be contending hopefully.

 

[Golumless]

Rebuild one

Years 2002-2007 = 2005 and 2006 really gave us a chance for a flag but failed. We had Macca, Roo, Goody etx all in their prime. We never re-built and just kept on trying for a flag. We got tired and 2010-11 were terrible.


Rebuild two
2012 - Enter Sando. Sando came in and took over am extremely fit side and made them tough. Probably went too far. But as we were already really fit from Craig years he went with the boxing. I saw 2012 as the start of the re-build. Extremely lucky with the help of Bailey that we still managed a prelim and a kick away from the GF.

Then Bails got sick. Sand struggled without his side kick and couldnt get the playing group back up the next two years.

Walshy then comes in and bring something different. In the 4th year of the rebuild as well. We all know what happed but we still made finals.

2016 - Pyke comes in and continues where Walshy left off. Got us up to the finals again and has us the best side in the comp in 2017. Except for that final day that mattered most.

2018-2019 - Pykey went all out again. I thought 2017 was our last year and that we needed to start the re-build then. But Pykey tried for another two years and of course failed.

Rebuild three and complete rebuild compared to previous
2020 - Full Complete re-build. So if 2012 was our last start and that to 2017 to make a GF Then this one with a complete re-build I see 2025-2026 as the years we will be contending hopefully.

Try 2010-11, we were forced into it with the last of the fab 4 pulling up stumps. That said, we'd been building on the side for a while with some excellent drafts in the back end of the decade hence why we bounced quickly in 2012. '12 is certainly not the start of that.

2017 wasn't the time to rebuild. You have a side who is capable of top 4 (and premierships if the cards fall right), you exhaust it. We didn't collapse because a lack of personnel either, more our off-field was cooked.

 

[crows dude]

Try 2010-11, we were forced into it with the last of the fab 4 pulling up stumps. That said, we'd been building on the side for a while with some excellent drafts in the back end of the decade hence why we bounced quickly in 2012. '12 is certainly not the start of that.

2017 wasn't the time to rebuild. You have a side who is capable of top 4 (and premierships if the cards fall right), you exhaust it. We didn't collapse because a lack of personnel either, more our off-field was cooked.

At the start of 2012 all we had above 24 was the below

32: Doughty

29: Johncock, S. Thompson, Callinan (r)

28: Reilly, Rutten

27: Porplyzia, Symes

26: Vince

25: Douglas, Knights, Tambling, van Berlo

24: Tippett

We had recruited a good amount of youngsters who were big parts of 2017. Crouch was 18. Tex and Dangerfield were 21.

23: Henderson, Jacobs, Jenkins, Mackay, Martin, Dowdell (r)

22: Jaensch, Otten, Petrenko, Sloane, Wright, McIntyre (r)

21: Dangerfield, Johnston, Lynch, McKernan, L. Thompson, Walker, Young (r)

20: Riley, Shaw, Smith, Talia, Craig (r)

19: Brown, Ellis-Yolmen, Grigg, Lyons, Martyn (r)

18: Crouch, Joyce, Kerridge, Laird (r), Orval (r)

 

[GROTTO]

At the start of 2012 all we had above 24 was the below

32: Doughty

29: Johncock, S. Thompson, Callinan (r)

28: Reilly, Rutten

27: Porplyzia, Symes

26: Vince

25: Douglas, Knights, Tambling, van Berlo

24: Tippett

We had recruited a good amount of youngsters who were big parts of 2017. Crouch was 18. Tex and Dangerfield were 21.

23: Henderson, Jacobs, Jenkins, Mackay, Martin, Dowdell (r)

22: Jaensch, Otten, Petrenko, Sloane, Wright, McIntyre (r)

21: Dangerfield, Johnston, Lynch, McKernan, L. Thompson, Walker, Young (r)

20: Riley, Shaw, Smith, Talia, Craig (r)

19: Brown, Ellis-Yolmen, Grigg, Lyons, Martyn (r)

18: Crouch, Joyce, Kerridge, Laird (r), Orval (r)

Damn there are some fine potatoes in that group.

 

[DJ75]

I was being diplomatic .....not harsh & heartless like yourself

 

[Sanders]

Hately is slow, fumbly and mis-times his kicks (which leads to floating kicks with no penetration).
Watching him now, I genuinely can't see how he got drafted. So disappointing.

He didn’t just get drafted. He got drafted in the first round of a super draft

He was then head hunted by another team.

There must be more there than we’re seeing.

Just has to be

 

[Mutineer]

He didn’t just get drafted. He got drafted in the first round of a super draft

He was then head hunted by another team.

There must be more there than we’re seeing.

Just has to be

Yeah but where has it gone, that's the big question?

He just doesn't attack the contest or seem to have the energy about hootball like he did as a junior anymore.

 

[SellarStardom]

Hately doesn't appear to have either the drive or the hardness at the contest that Jarrod has in spades....and certainly not the penetrating kick.

I'm looking at Hately currently as getting close to a bust, thank heavens we didn't have to pay up for him.

Hately is an interesting one as his junior was more of a half forward mid not inside mid. Where this inside mid thing emerged I'm not sure but he could be a handy hard at it forward

 

[Mutineer]

Hately is an interesting one as his junior was more of a half forward mid not inside mid. Where this inside mid thing emerged I'm not sure but he could be a handy hard at it forward

Not really, I think you're going on his senior footy with Centrals in his draft year where he played half forward, most of his junior footy for Centrals he played inside mid.

 

[SellarStardom]

Not really, I think you're going on his senior footy with Centrals in his draft year where he played half forward, most of his junior footy for Centrals he played inside mid.

Admit I was referring to Centrals days (league) footy not proper juniors. But I see nothing in his play once he was up against men to showcase an inside mid style, more outside and HF style. This is something that would be handy I reckon if we played him there. He likes the goals and we need more goal kickers than can go into the guts

 

[1970crow]

I am thinking they had hately and dawson in mind in that regard for our midfield. Hately might be a bust but dawson should help in that regard

Dawson looks nothing like a stoppage mid to me, moves completely differently. Probably looks ok as a probable v possible in match sim, but I doubt that'll transition to competing against quality AFL midfields. Happy to get a quality leg on the outside, anything else would be a bonus. But there's little chance.

 

[1970crow]

Yeah but where has it gone, that's the big question?

He just doesn't attack the contest or seem to have the energy about hootball like he did as a junior anymore.

I'd say groins/quads, but with Burgo there, surely not. Maybe lack of confidence to deploy the power?

 

[AFC979810]

Rebuild one

Years 2002-2007 = 2005 and 2006 really gave us a chance for a flag but failed. We had Macca, Roo, Goody etx all in their prime. We never re-built and just kept on trying for a flag. We got tired and 2010-11 were terrible.


Rebuild two
2012 - Enter Sando. Sando came in and took over am extremely fit side and made them tough. Probably went too far. But as we were already really fit from Craig years he went with the boxing. I saw 2012 as the start of the re-build. Extremely lucky with the help of Bailey that we still managed a prelim and a kick away from the GF.

Then Bails got sick. Sand struggled without his side kick and couldnt get the playing group back up the next two years.

Walshy then comes in and bring something different. In the 4th year of the rebuild as well. We all know what happed but we still made finals.

2016 - Pyke comes in and continues where Walshy left off. Got us up to the finals again and has us the best side in the comp in 2017. Except for that final day that mattered most.

2018-2019 - Pykey went all out again. I thought 2017 was our last year and that we needed to start the re-build then. But Pykey tried for another two years and of course failed.

Rebuild three and complete rebuild compared to previous
2020 - Full Complete re-build. So if 2012 was our last start and that to 2017 to make a GF Then this one with a complete re-build I see 2025-2026 as the years we will be contending hopefully.

This is our clubs first rebuild since 1991. It started when Don Pyke "Quit" on September 11, 2019.

We haven't made the finals in 4 years (our longest stretch as a club). Our list has many many more questions than answers.

The more I look into it, its extremely tough to speculate where we are at. This year is gonna be fun or completely miserable seeing what we have.

 

[AFC979810]

I'd say groins/quads, but with Burgo there, surely not. Maybe lack of confidence to deploy the power?

I think this Burgo thing is starting to get a little out of control. He has only been with the club 4 months.

He is bordering on Chuck Norris Meme fame.

 

[1970crow]

I think this Burgo thing is starting to get a little out of control. He has only been with the club 4 months.

He is bordering on Chuck Norris Meme fame.

I think it's not unreasonable to think that mis-managing groins to the extent that players miss an entire year, ala Crouch boys, is gone. I'm not suggesting that he's turned Hately into Robert Harvey, just that if he's out there attempting to play, you'd think that he's beyond groin injuries limiting his power. And yet, most criticisms of his preseason seem to be centered around power from hips down.

 

[1970crow]

This is our clubs first rebuild since 1991. It started when Don Pyke "Quit" on September 11, 2019.

We haven't made the finals in 4 years (our longest stretch as a club). Our list has many many more questions than answers.

The more I look into it, its extremely tough to speculate where we are at. This year is gonna be fun or completely miserable seeing what we have.

I’m expecting a long year to be honest. I’ll just be happy if we see a deepened midfield strategy and shelving of the long and deep entry system. No more protecting players that can’t be trusted to hit viable targets on the 50. Don’t design a system to protect inherent flaws in players, move past those players. Well, not entirely, but I’d rather see leads honoured and skill failures than the entries designed to limit turnover damage.

 

[Cap]

Silvers said in his member presentation that we were looking at mature aged players now.

I wonder who they would be looking at.

 

[Mutineer]

Silvers said in his member presentation that we were looking at mature aged players now.

I wonder who they would be looking at.

A legitimate A grade KPF is looking to be an absolute must with Fogarty and Himmelberg continuing to under perform.

 

[George Kramer]

A legitimate A grade KPF is looking to be an absolute must with Fogarty and Himmelberg continuing to under perform.

Has the season started?