List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread II

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Spoiler: Draft Pick order

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Spoiler: Key dates

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Skarrz]

And if we want Cadman then we MUST keep pick 1 or get GWS to say that they will not pick Cadman if we gave them Pick#1 IN WRITING!!!!!!

pretty sure that’s collusion/draft tampering similar to “we won’t bid on Ashcroft if you hum our balls 3x”

 

[kool kangas]

pretty sure that’s collusion/draft tampering similar to “we won’t bid on Ashcroft if you hum our balls 3x”

 

[nelroo]

Why do you think that Adelaide would be in the mix next year?

It would most likely be Port and we would be getting less and delayed 12 months.

I do not buy the talk that we would get less. How is he going to get to Port without us doing a trade next year. It’s not like Port could say.. “we will just pick him up in PSD” He could put a price on his head but I don’t think Port are finishing down the bottom and for a talent like him someone from the bottom 3 would select him nothing surer.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

How I would do it.
Monday
1 for 3,12,19.
Clark for 19.
Tuesday or Wednesday
Jhf for pick 2 and a sweetener or 3 1st rounders.
Nothing goes back. They can sort there own deal with wc. Not our problem.

Bingo

 

[blackshadow]

Where's Fab-Daddy? Isn't he the one directing this whole shitshow?

Hiding his MG before it gets repoed.

 

[Devington]

I've got no thoughts about the draft itself, I just love Kingy's passion.

Seems like he's loosened up about barracking for us recently, I wonder if he's just cracked the shits with us getting shafted every second day. Priority picks suck arse, Clarkson allegations screwing us, Judas gets his silver, Port turns 3/4 of the media into their mouthpiece.

 

[kangaanth]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but I’m pretty sure north have said multiple times they are basing their list build on successful recent examples which haven’t taken talls with early picks because they are too hit and miss. You use the high picks on quality mids and get talls via trade or free agency later. Cadman might be the next schache instead of Oliver or McCartin instead of petracca.

 

[XU1-ROO]

Agreed, not sure why everyone is getting so caught up on drafting Cadman. At this stage, we need to be drafting the best player(s) available. We had the second least inside 50's in the comp this year, not sure that a CHF will solve that issue. Also looking back at the top 10 key forwards this year in terms of goals kicked (Excluding Hawkins who was F/S), the average draft position they were taken was 15. This is also including Cameron, who for argument's sake, I predict would've gone number 1 in his draft year. Key forwards take time and don't always dominate at U18 level

I think it would be Cool to get Cadman a CHF. Bit more fun than a midfielder

 

[Roos1991]

I agree with David King. We should look to acquire pick 2 from West Coast.
With 1 and 2 pick the best key position forward in Cadman and best midfielder in Wardlaw.
Acquiring the best young talent beats selecting speculative kids in the mid first and second round of the draft.
I just have a feeling that Cadman will be a special talent, and if we pass on him, we will regret this for a long time.


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I've been very strong on Wardlaw. Though watching Cadman move around the ground and his skills at ground level, looks an absolute talent. Not a straight forward call.

 

[JGreezy]

I do not buy the talk that we would get less. How is he going to get to Port without us doing a trade next year. It’s not like Port could say.. “we will just pick him up in PSD” He could put a price on his head but I don’t think Port are finishing down the bottom and for a talent like him someone from the bottom 3 would select him nothing surer.

If it gets to the last day of trade week next year and they are offering their 1st and their 2024 first are you really going to walk him to the PSD and lose him for nothing, just on principle?

I know that some people will say yes but to me that is just hurting the club.

Save us the year of bullshit. Get pick 2 today. Get a year of development into them.

Im not talking about trading him for pick 8 or not trying to negotiate beyond the current offer. But I want to figure something out this week.

 

[speedy]

So the the mole rat added Francis to his name to honour this guy? A wife basher? FMD.
There is something not right about this whole situation?

 

[Ashley B]

Wonder if Ports will be digging their heals in next week “Look Norf you will take this offer or we will get nothing, hang on that didn’t sound right”.

 

[Psicosis]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but I’m pretty sure north have said multiple times they are basing their list build on successful recent examples which haven’t taken talls with early picks because they are too hit and miss. You use the high picks on quality mids and get talls via trade or free agency later. Cadman might be the next schache instead of Oliver or McCartin instead of petracca.

Kinda falls apart when you look at both GF sides having multiple key forwards taken in the first handful of picks (including Hawkins who would have gone early if fs rules were diff).

4/5 in the Coleman leaderboard were first round picks. The fifth being a second round.

I’ve been a big advocate of drafting mids, but 6-6-6 & stand has changed things a bit. Elite key forwards have never been more important.

 

[Psicosis]

If we only had one bite in the top 4 picks, I’d be all in on best available (Wardlaw).

Having Pick 1 & 2, means we have a rare opportunity to add the best Mid (excluding Ashcroft) & KPF in Wardlaw & Cadman, in the country in one year.

It’s club changing stuff.

 

[Kangalongtime]

Assuming we get pick 2 I think what happens next is totally down to where the team rank the draft

Personally I would keep both and go absolute best 2 available

That being said if they looking at still increasing draft hand . I would look at 2 only to trade and take one off the table all together

Could we get 12 and 15 for 2 ?

And what would that look like? Deferring to Soupp or Hilly in this space

 

[Makeshift Park]

If we only had one bite in the top 4 picks, I’d be all in on best available (Wardlaw).

Having Pick 1 & 2, means we have a rare opportunity to add the best Mid (excluding Ashcroft) & KPF in Wardlaw & Cadman, in the country in one year.

It’s club changing stuff.

This is how I'm leaning too. Keep 1 but trade JHF.
I think it depends on what Port's sweetener to pick 2 is.
Bergman or Sinn would be good, but unlikely. Just a F1? In that case, can we get Rioli via PSD as Port will have used all their serious capital?
Keeping 1 probably also means we don't get Hunter Clark.

 

[speedy]

If we only had one bite in the top 4 picks, I’d be all in on best available (Wardlaw).

Having Pick 1 & 2, means we have a rare opportunity to add the best Mid (excluding Ashcroft) & KPF in Wardlaw & Cadman, in the country in one year.

It’s club changing stuff.

Yep, that’s why I would be happy with pick 2 and a future 1st for JHF. Wardlaw, Cadman & Harvey this year and 3 picks inside the top 25-30 next year.

 

[Rooboys Rool]

Passmore ask and you shall receive - 8 way trade to get the deal done. Even managed to only have Port give up two first rounders too

Geelong - Ratugolea for pick 46.

Gold Coast - give picks 45 & 46 for pick 22.

St Kilda - Clark for pick 18.

* - give pick 22 for Bonner and pick 45. (Despite Dodo repeatedly stating the Bonner isn't the Port player that won a Brownlow, the * President disagrees and overules, before embarking on a media campaign to spruik his achievement. The ensuing mockery results in Dodo needing to "resign".)

GWS - give picks 3, 18 & their 2023 1st for pick 1.

West Coast - give pick 2 & Rioli for pick 8, Houston & Georgiades.

North - give JHF & pick 1 for picks 2, 3, 2023 1st (Giants), 2023 1st (Port), Sinn & Clark.

Port - Give pick 8, 2023 1st, Houston, Georgiades, Sinn & Bonner for JHF, Rioli & a giant bag of d!cks (to clarify, that last part is just the weekly delivery of Kochie bobble head dolls to the Port gift shop.)

Done.

 

[Jasemon]

Like most I want, and think we can get pick 2 to go with our pick 1. Cadman and Wardlaw come on down.

If however we take one of the mega deal scenarios I'm confused by all this talk around pick 19 from GWS.
As this is the pick we originally gave to Richmond, who then traded it to GWS as part of the Taranto deal I think, aren't there rules precluding us from then trading it again (for Clarke as stated)?

 

[Psicosis]

This is how I'm leaning too. Keep 1 but trade JHF.
I think it depends on what Port's sweetener to pick 2 is.
Bergman or Sinn would be good, but unlikely. Just a F1? In that case, can we get Rioli via PSD as Port will have used all their serious capital?
Keeping 1 probably also means we don't get Hunter Clark.

I like Hunter Clark, but he certainly is not worth breaking the bank or pick 1 for. Happy to revisit in 12 months.

 

[hilly]

Assuming we get pick 2 I think what happens next is totally down to where the team rank the draft

Personally I would keep both and go absolute best 2 available

That being said if they looking at still increasing draft hand . I would look at 2 only to trade and take one off the table all together

Could we get 12 and 15 for 2 ?

And what would that look like? Deferring to Soupp or Hilly in this space

Sorry mate not across the prospects at the moment. I'd want more than 12 and 15 for pick 2 though. I'm not opposed to drafting him but I think the Cadman comparison to J.Cameron is generous. The latter was near dominating TAC Cup as a 17 yo.

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[RobZombie]

All you gotta look at is the Giants drafting vs ours. Combine that with the fact we have a third of a recruiting dept, it’s pretty clear we should be taking him.

Quality of giants’ drafting? Jeez they’ve whiffed on more than their share of 1st rounders imo. Worse record than us. They just happen to have a perpetual first round pick machine.

 

[Gumble Frankieton]

 

[Mixed Results]

Kinda falls apart when you look at both GF sides having multiple key forwards taken in the first handful of picks (including Hawkins who would have gone early if fs rules were diff).

4/5 in the Coleman leaderboard were first round picks. The fifth being a second round.

I’ve been a big advocate of drafting mids, but 6-6-6 & stand has changed things a bit. Elite key forwards have never been more important.

Both Geelong and Sydney have AA forwards that they recruited from other clubs and 6 of the top 10 in the Coleman have changed clubs. That's the point being made. While it can be true that great key forwards are hard to find and that they usually get taken early in the draft, there's a lot of recent history of forwards being traded or acquired in free agency.

These days, players like Wardlaw and Tsatas are as close to a sure thing as it gets. Most top-line forwards are taken early, but the success rate is much lower. I think there's enough evidence to show that you're more likely to convince a key forward to change clubs than you are to draft a good one early. If the club is backing itself in to recruit a mature elite forward when the time is right, then I can't fault that strategy.

 

[winalotroos]

Sorry mate not across the prospects at the moment. I'd want more than 12 and 15 for pick 2 though. I'm not opposed to drafting him but I think the Cadman comparison to J.Cameron is generous. The latter was near dominating TAC Cup as a 17 yo.

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I think the Cadman comparison to Cameron is based on Cabman saying he compares himself to Cameron.
ether way would love to see him at the club.