List Mgmt. 2022 Trade & List Management Thread III

[giantroo]

Spoiler: Confirmed Trades

Spoiler: 2022 Draft Pick Order

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Pick Order

Spoiler: Key dates

AFL Trade Period Key Dates - AFL.com.au

When does Free Agency begin? How long does the Trade Period go for? Find out on AFL.com.au.

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Key Dates:

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm
Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October
NAB AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm
AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections


Thursday 03 November at 9.00am
AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

NAB AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

2022 NAB AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)

Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)

2022 NAB AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)

Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)

AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

NAB AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
NAB AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

I know I've stated it before but all this talk of "4 experienced rookies" is baffling.

Have we not learnt our lesson that other clubs duds or players who weren't drafted for years are not the answer?

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Freaking about every single trade before all is done is moronic. Just wait to assess after the draft period and most of you won't look like such turnips in retrospect.

Plus with future picks being traded everyone needs to wait until after next year‘s draft and trade period to reduce the turnip risk.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

I don’t see the fascination with mature shitmen.

We’re going to have 12 blokes out there every week injury permitting (Corr, McKay, Hall, McDonald, Logue, Simpkin, LDU, Goldy, Cunners, Ziebell, Zurhaar, Larkey) who are all at least 5 years in at the start of 2023.

More than enough maturity spread over the field with a coach that has some idea about what he is doing.

 

[benbanjo]

Johnno talks us up and sounds enthusiastic and then reckons 3 or 4 wins for the season.

To be fair Johnno struggles to remember his own name at times.

 

[Shinboner1]

I don’t see the fascination with mature shitmen.

We’re going to have 12 blokes out there every week injury permitting (Corr, McKay, Hall, McDonald, Logue, Simpkin, LDU, Goldy, Cunners, Ziebell, Zurhaar, Larkey) who are all at least 5 years in at the start of 2023.

More than enough maturity spread over the field with a coach that has some idea about what he is doing.

Use them to bolster the VFL side so the kids develop quicker and they provide ok depth if injuries occur.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Use them to bolster the VFL side so the kids develop quicker and they provide ok depth if injuries occur.

Recruiting them as VFL listed players, sure.

Otherwise, no deal.

 

[tiltraise]

Recruiting them as VFL listed players, sure.

Otherwise, no deal.

VFL program has its own cap. Perhaps we dont want to spend most of that cap on 2 or 3 guys but rather spread that cap over a group.

 

[Clarence2norton]

Oh dear, not again. 36 + 8 = 38 + 6. Exactly the same players, no extra young kids, no fewer retreads.

Mate, I don’t think you understand.

We have 8 list spots left, we’ve stated that we will be using 4 picks in the ND and 4 rookie picks for mature age rookies.

If we move Spicer to the rookie list for example, we free up 5 spots on the primary list for 5 picks in the ND but that only leaves 3 rookie spots left for mature age rookies because spicer will now be a rookie.

My whole point was in our current situation (decent young talent, minimal senior support) it’s better to take an extra mature age rookie to help support the young blokes than to free up an extra spot in the ND for an additional late pick where we take a chance on a speculative 18 year old in a weak draft.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

VFL program has its own cap. Perhaps we dont want to spend most of that cap on 2 or 3 guys but rather spread that cap over a group.

Blokes like Phillips, Howe etc aren’t worth having as break in case of emergency selections.

You’re better off trying your luck with a 18-20 kid.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Blokes like Phillips, Howe etc aren’t worth having as break in case of emergency selections.

You’re better off trying your luck with a 18-20 kid.

Same goes for Turner and Shiels. Just get them into the VFL system and provide leadership that way.

 

[perplexed]

Mate, I don’t think you understand.

We have 8 list spots left, we’ve stated that we will be using 4 picks in the ND and 4 rookie picks for mature age rookies.

If we move Spicer to the rookie list for example, we free up 5 spots on the primary list for 5 picks in the ND but that only leaves 3 rookie spots left for mature age rookies because spicer will now be a rookie.

My whole point was in our current situation (decent young talent, minimal senior support) it’s better to take an extra mature age rookie to help support the young blokes than to free up an extra spot in the ND for an additional late pick where we take a chance on a speculative 18 year old in a weak draft.

Just because we open up primary spots doesn't mean we need to fill them. We can still take 4 at the draft + 4 rookies and end up with 36 + 8 rookies instead of 38 + 6. Most teams don't fill their primary list, we would be better off if we didn't do it either. It isn't a radical or controversial thing to do, it's what most other teams do.

 

[Shinboner1]

VFL program has its own cap. Perhaps we dont want to spend most of that cap on 2 or 3 guys but rather spread that cap over a group.

The VFL cap barely covers the gatorade the team drinks every week. You can't get the quality of player we're looking for with those resources.
Spending 3-4 rookie spots on players who'll make us better in the long run is the right idea.

 

[buttox]

Greenwood was not delisted by gc to move to the rookie list.
He was moving from the main list to the main list.
Gc wanted to use him as one of there mandatory 3 national draft picks.
Stupid move that back fired.

 

[HBFlanker]

Ive just decided to re watch the Collingwood game form this year.

Someone please explain to me why we delisted Jed Anderson

17

Jed Anderson

Age

30

Ht

179cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.3

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

8.5

5star

M

2.2

2star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.0

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

3.7

5star

D

10.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

??

 

[ferball]

Because he's an anti vaxxer who can't kick.

 

[shinboner magic]

Blokes like Phillips, Howe etc aren’t worth having as break in case of emergency selections.

You’re better off trying your luck with a 18-20 kid.

Yeah better off using it on a talented kid or even a state league player under 25
There’s gold in those leagues-
Lambert, miochek ,Nic Martin ect would be better than walker or turner

 

[HBFlanker]

Because he's an anti vaxxer who can't kick.

Better AFL footballer than Greenwood.

 

[ferball]

Better AFL footballer than Greenwood.

Yeah I agree and I think those reasons are bullshit.

It was a stupid decision based on poor contract management. Why are about seven other players on our list and he isn't tho he's a better player and when we need mature bodies?

 

[Hazey1977]

The Giants have four picks – No.1, 12, 18 and 19 – inside the first 20 selections and are likely to use five picks in total, while the Bombers, Eagles and Hawks are all expected to use between four and five picks. The Kangaroos, Dockers and Blues will take four picks to the draft

Brisbane has father-son pair Will Ashcroft and Jaspa Fletcher coming through the door and is likely to use three or four picks across the draft, while St Kilda, Sydney, Collingwood and the Western Bulldogs are all expected to use three selections.

Geelong could use two or three picks, while Adelaide, Melbourne, Port Adelaide and Richmond look most likely to use only two picks. Gold Coast has pick No.5 and could just use that selection or potentially one more pick.

AFL rules force clubs to use three picks at the national draft but these spots can also be filled by upgraded rookies or by clubs re-selecting delisted players if they choose.

How many picks your club is set to use at the 2022 NAB AFL Draft

GWS is expected to be the most active at the 2022 draft, while the likes of Gold Coast, Melbourne and Richmond are tipped to use only a handful of picks

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NORTH MELBOURNE

Arrivals: Griffin Logue (traded/Fremantle), Darcy Tucker (traded/Fremantle)

Departures: Jed Anderson (delisted), Atu Bosenavulagi (delisted), Kyron Hayden (delisted), Jason Horne-Francis (traded/Port Adelaide), Tom Lynch (retired), Matt McGuinness (delisted), Kayne Turner (delisted), Josh Walker (delisted), Patrick Walker (delisted)

Uncontracted: None

Contracted: 37 (no category B rookies)

ADELAIDE

Arrivals: Izak Rankine (traded/Gold Coast)

Departures: Luke Brown (retired), Ben Davis (delisted), Billy Frampton (traded/Collingwood), James Rowe (delisted), Brett Turner (delisted)

Uncontracted: None

Contracted: 41 (two category B rookies)

How your club is placed ahead of the list lodgement deadline and upcoming AFL draft

AFL draft state of play: How every team is placed and the key calls still be made in crucial month

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3-4 wins predicted. Back to priority picks we go.....

On SM-G781B using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

Yep.

On our trading and selections history we pick the best.

 

[giantroo]

Former Carlton defender Liam Stocker

14

Liam Stocker

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.6

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

is set to train with St Kilda in a bid to resurrect his AFL career.

If he impresses, Stocker could be taken by the Saints in the supplemental selection period which allows clubs to select players without using a draft pick.

 

[Shinboner1]

Former Carlton defender Liam Stocker is set to train with St Kilda in a bid to resurrect his AFL career.

If he impresses, Stocker could be taken by the Saints in the supplemental selection period which allows clubs to select players without using a draft pick.

damn

 

[The Nostradamus]

damn

still fair game, we can take stocker with 1 of the 4 rookie spots

 

[disco_cowboy]

Johnno talks us up and sounds enthusiastic and then reckons 3 or 4 wins for the season.

Until we win more than 4 in a season this is our expected output

 

[disco_cowboy]

still fair game, we can take stocker with 1 of the 4 rookie spots

Stocker isn’t worth it