List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Period

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2022 AFL Trade Period

All About Carlton

Current draft picks: 10, 29, 49, 66
List changes:
Out: Hayes, McDonald, Newnes, Parks, Stocker, Williamson, (Jones), Setterfield
In: Blake Acres
Uncontracted: 1 - Ed Curnow - new deal pending (Fogarty confirmed contracted for 2023)
List status: Senior - 33 (inc. Owies); Rookie - 5; Cat-B Rookie - 1; Free spots - 4 (plus one Cat-B)

Key Dates

Draft Nominations: OPEN
Mon 10-Oct 9am: AFL Draft Nominations open
Mon 21-Nov 3pm: AFL Draft Nominations close

The Draft:
Mon 28-Nov
7.10pm: National Draft Round One; Bidding on F/S, Academy & NGA
Tue 29-Nov
5.45pm - 6.30pm: Selection Trade period
7pm: National Draft Round Two to completion
10pm - 11.00pm: Rookie Upgrade period
10pm - 11.00pm: Delisted Free Agency Period 3
Wed 30-Nov
3pm: Pre-season Draft
3.20pm: Rookie Draft
Thu 1-Dec
by 4pm: Final Club list lodgment

Delisted Free Agency Periods 1 & 2: CLOSED
Thu 03-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences
Wed 09-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes
Fri 11-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences
Tue 15-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes

Player and Selection Trades: CLOSED
Mon 03-Oct 9am: Trade Period commences – Players & Selections
Wed 12-Oct 7.30pm: Trade Period closes – player trades
Tue 15-Nov 5.00pm: Trade Period closes – selections only

RFA and UFA: CLOSED
Fri 30-Sep 9am: Restricted Free Agency (RFA) and Unrestricted Free Agency (UFA) Period commences
Fri 07-Oct 5pm: Close of Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.
Mon 10-Oct 5pm: Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends
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Completed Trades:

Fri 30-Sep:
1 Karl Amon (PA) to Hawthorn (UFA) Port Adelaide receive 2nd round compensation pick (currently Pick 27).
Mon 3-Oct:
2 Bobby Hill (GWS) to Collingwood GWS receive Pies' future 2nd round pick. Also swap of 3rd round picks - Pies get pick GWS pick 41, for their pick 44.
3 Tim Taranto (GWS) to Richmond GWS receive Tigers 1st round pick, and Tigers 2nd round pick from NM (currently picks 12 and 19).
4 Jayden Hunt (Mel) to West Coast (UFA) Melbourne receive 3rd round compensation pick (currently Pick 54).
Tue 4-Oct:
5 Blake Acres (Freo) to CARLTON Fremantle receive Carlton's future 3rd round pick.
6 Daniel McStay (Bris) to Collingwood (RFA) Brisbane receive 2nd round compensation pick (currently Pick 35).
7 Liam Jones (CARLTON) to Western Bulldogs (UFA) CARLTON receive 3rd round compensation pick (currently Pick 49).
8 Pick trade: Melbourne picks 33 (R2), 43 (R3), 53 (R3) to Port Adelaide for pick 27 (R2)
Wed 5-Oct:
9 Zaine Cordy (WBU) to St Kilda (UFA) No compensation for Western Bulldogs (due to taking UFA Liam Jones)
10 Griffin Logue and Darcy Tucker (Freo) to North Melbourne. Fremantle receive Future 2nd and 3rd picks (AFL assistance package for NM). Additionally, NM gains Freo's Future 3rd pick in exchange for North's future 4th pick.
11 Pick trade: GWS trade pick their second round pick (currently 21) and future Rd 2 pick to Brisbane for their 1st round pick (currently 15)
12 Ben Long (StK) to Gold Coast St Kilda receive 2nd round pick (currently 32), with the Saints' future 4th round pick going back to the Suns.
13 Tom Berry (Bris) to Gold Coast Brisbane receive 2 x Rd 2 picks (currently 25 and 36), and a 3rd rd pick (56). Suns get Brisbane's 3rd rd (46) and GWS future 2nd round pick.
Thu 6-Oct:
14 Josh Corbett (GCS) to Fremantle Gold Coast receive Freo's future round 4 selection.
Fri 7-Oct:
15 Tanner Bruhn (GWS) to Geelong GWS receive Geelong's first round pick (Currently pick 18)
16 Pick trade: Geelong Rd 2 pick (currently 38), two x Rd 3 picks (48, 55), and future 2nd and 4th picks to Brisbane for their Rd 2 pick (25).
Mon 10-Oct:
17 Toby Bedford (Mel) to GWS. Melbourne receive GWS Rd 3 pick (tied to Haw - currently 44).
18 Luke Jackson (Mel) to Fremantle . Melbourne receive Fremantle's 1st round pick (currently 13) and future 1st and 2nd round picks. Fremantle also receive Melbourne's Rd 3 pick (tied to Haw - currently 44), and 4th round pick (tied to StK - 67).
19 Will Setterfield (CARLTON) to Essendon. Carlton receive Essendon's future 4th round pick. Essendon also receive Carlton's 4th rd pick (currently 68).
20 Izak Rankine (GCS) to Adelaide. Suns gain Adelaide's 1st rd pick (currently 5) and future 3rd and 4th picks. Adelaide also receive Suns' Rd 3 pick (tied to PA - currently 46) and future 4th pick (tied to Freo).
21 "Mega deal"
North Melbourne:
Out - Pick 1, Jason Horne-Francis, Future 3rd (Freo)
In - Picks 2 (WCE), 3 (GWS), 40 (WCE), 43 (PA - from Ade), Future 1st (PA)
West Coast:
Out - Pick 2, 40, Junior Rioli
In - Pick 8 (PA), 12 (GWS from Rich), Future 2nd (PA), Future 3rd (PA)
Port Adelaide:
Out - Pick 8, 43 (Ade), 53 (Mel), 57 (Syd), Future 1st, Future 2nd, Future 3rd
In - Jason Horne-Francis, Junior Rioli, Future 2nd (GWS tied to Col), Future 3rd (NM tied to Freo)
GWS:
Out - Pick 3, 12 (from Rich), Future 2nd (Col)
In - Pick 1, 53 (PA from Mel), 57 (PA from Syd)
Tue 11-Oct:
22 Jack Gunston (Haw) to Brisbane. Hawthorn receive Rd 3 pick from Brisbane (currently 48 - tied to Carlton) and Brisbane's future 4th rd pick.
23 Brodie Grundy (Col) to Melbourne. Collingwood receive Melbourne's Rd 2 pick (currently 27) in exchange.
24 Billy Frampton (Ade) to Collingwood. Adelaide receive Collingwood's future 3rd round pick.
25 Jack Bowes (GCS) to Geelong. Geelong also receive Gold Coast's pick 7. Gold Coast receive Geelong's future 3rd round pick.
26 Jacob Hopper (GWS) to Richmond. GWS receive Richmond's Rd 2 pick (currently 31) and future 1st round pick. Richmond also receive GWS 3rd rd pick (tied to Melb, currently 53), and GWS 4th rd pick (tied to Adelaide, currently 63).
Wed 12-Oct:
27 Aaron Francis (Ess) to Sydney. Sydney also receive Essendon's pick 42. Essendon receive Sydney's pick 37 and future 4th Rd pick.
28 Sam Weideman (Mel) to Essendon. Melbourne receive Essendon's pick 37. Essendon also receive Melbourne's picks 54 and 72.
29 Josh Schache (WBU) to Melbourne. Western Bulldogs receive Melbourne's future 4th round pick.
30 Lachie Hunter (WBU) to Melbourne. Western Bulldogs receive Melbourne's future 3rd round pick.
31 Josh Dunkley (WBU) to Brisbane. Western Bulldogs receive pick 21 along with Brisbane's future 1st and 2nd round picks, and Geelong's future 4th. Brisbane also receive the Bulldog's future 3rd and a future 3rd tied to Melbourne.
32 Ollie Henry (Coll) to Geelong. Cooper Stephens (Gee) to Hawthorn. Tom Mitchell (Haw) to Collingwood. Collingwood also receive pick 25 from Geelong. Hawthorn receive picks 41 and 50 from Collingwood.
33 Rory Lobb (Freo) to Western Bulldogs. Fremantle receive pick 30 and Western Bulldog's future 2nd round pick.
34 Jaeger O'Meara (Haw) to Fremantle. Lloyd Meek (Fre) to Hawthorn. Fremantle receive Hawthorn's future 4th round pick. Hawthorn receive Western Bulldog's future 2nd round pick.

Post Trade-week Trades (Selections only):
35 Oct 21: Pick Trade: The Brisbane Lions trade its Round Three Selection (56) to the Adelaide Crows for its Future Round Four Selection (tied to Fremantle)
36 Oct 21: Pick Trade: North Melbourne trade its Round Four Selection (59) and Future Round Two Selection to the Adelaide Crows for its Round Two Selection (23).
37 Nov 15: Pick Trade: North Melbourne trades round three selection (43) to Fremantle for Fremantle's future round four selection (tied to Hawthorn).

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Missed Out on trades:
Matt Crouch (Ade) - Adelaide looking to find him a new home.
James Rowe (Ade) - Possible move to Western Bulldogs.
Fischer McAsey (Ade) - Possible move to Carlton. Carlton apparently no longer interested.
Paddy Dow (Car) - Possible move to NM, Gee.
Caleb Poulter (Col) - Possible move to Gold Coast.
Nick Bryan (Ess) - Possible move, perhaps to Saints.
Brayden Ham (Ess) - Looking for opportunities elsewhere.
Liam Henry (Freo) - Looking for opportunities elsewhere, but is contracted.
Jeremy Sharp (GCS) - Possible move to Freo
Brayden Fiorini (GCS) - Possible move to Collingwood
Esava Ratugolea (Gee) - Several clubs interested. Geelong open to move. Perhaps GWS.
Lachie Whitfield (GWS) - GWS open to discussion
Nick Haynes (GWS) - GWS open to discussion
Kozzy Pickett (Mel) - Possible move to Port Adelaide. Melbourne say not happening.
Adam Tomlinson (Mel) - Melbourne open to move.
James Harmes (Mel) - Possible move to Essendon (and others). Melbourne say not happening.
Tarryn Thomas (NM) - Looking for opportunities elsewhere, possibly GCS.
Martin Frederick (PA) - Possible move to WCE
Mitch Georgiades (PA) - Possible move to WCE
Sam Hayes (PA) - Contracted, but Port may be open to offers elsewhere.
Ivan Soldo (Rich) - Possible move to GWS.
Jack Graham (Rich) - Likely now to stay at Richmond after exploring PA.
Riley Collier-Dawkins (Rich) - Looking for opportunities elsewhere.
Jack Bytel (StK) - Essendon interested.
Hunter Clark (StK) - Possible move to NM.
Brad Hill (StK) - Possible move to NM.
Lewis Mellican (Syd) - Looking for opportunities elsewhere.
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DFA and Retiree moves
Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti (ex-Ess) - looking to return from retirement, possibly to Freo, as SSP
Conor McKenna (ex-Ess) - looking to return from retirement, possibly to Gee in rookie draft
Liam Stocker (ex-Car) - Possible DFA to Essendon
Ciaran Byrne (ex-Car) - Possible return to Carlton as Cat-B Rookie - 5-Oct: Not happening, stays in Ireland
Francis Evans (ex-Gee) - Possible DFA to Port Adelaide
Quinton Narkle (ex-Gee) - DFA, several clubs interested
Kyle Hartigan (ex-Haw) - Possible DFA to St Kilda
Tom Phillips (ex-Haw) - Possible DFA to Essendon
Dan Hanneberry (ex-StK) - NM interested in bringing him out of retirement
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Draft Order and selection summary


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Official AFL Information Links

Full AFL Trade/Draft Key Dates

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Indicative Draft Order

List Changes by Club
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TENACIOUS said:
:grinv1:

TDK > Geelong
Pick 7 > North
Ben McKay > Carlton

Young > Forward/Ruck
Meek > Jones Compo

throw side GIF
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If we are trading TDK I'd much rather it look something like...

TDK>Geelong
Pick 7> Cam Mackenzie
Pick 10> Liam Ryan + 20
Pick 28> Lloyd Meek
Pick 20> Olli Hotton

Lewis Young>STILL IN THE BACKLINE BECAUSE HE'S A FUTURE GUN


West Coast Goals GIF by AFL


Anyway that's enough fantasies for tonight.
 
JustaBattler said:
No one invests in past performance mate - because the past has nothing to do about teh future and the future is what everyone is paid to do well in.
All teh past does is keep or put a player in the game - for as long as their future potential is relevant to the demand side of the equation.

This is pretty basic stuff btw- nothing Arrow is saying is anything more than common sense and how any successful business runs its books as far as people go ...
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Was Cripps' last 2 years a factor? Or was his value placed more around his 2019 and earlier form?
 
Would be very happy with Tarryn Thomas, but would be sad to see some players go on the back of it, which seems to be the mechanism for how that will come to pass.
Jeremias said:
I'm not sure anyone other than the most one-eyed North supporters would agree with you on this.

Very good young footballer, but he's nowhere near Daicos right now nor is he close to being a great AFL footballer.
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I think you're forgetting that I'm the one who wanted North to bid at pick 1 for Daicos. I'm saying he's already a great player, but Daicos is absolutely better.

If I were North I'd be asking for more than the picks Port have on hand.
Jeremias said:
Panicked? Are you having a laugh Jim?

Question the acquisition all you like, I certainly have, but there's absolutely no part of it that even closely resembles a panic buy.
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BrisbaneCFC said:
More than happy for both Dow and Setterfield to find new homes via trades
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If we shoot both out the door we've completely run through our senior inside midfield depth. Would much rather we trade away general defenders or our less regarded half-forward types, than shoot ourselves in the foot this much when it comes to midfield production.

Also the bar for Setterfield has just been set at a pick in the 40-60 range in this draft, and a mediocre future 3rd next year, at best. He's out of contract. Dow doesn't seem like he'd generate more than a pick in the 25-35 range, which I'd still argue is abysmal for his talent level.

This is why I wanted us to chip away at other aspects of senior depth instead of throwing contracts at everyone: imagine being able to grab Tarryn Thomas right now for pick 28 and maybe swapping our future 2nd with North's future 3rd, all while freeing ourselves of Newman, Plowman, and Owies.

Opens up plenty of opportunities for our U22 bracket to step up.
 

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macky99 said:
Not every player on the list has a upside.
As Arrow mentioned average wage is going to be close $400k soon.

TDK has a year to run on his contract, he has 12-18 months to hit his peak, despite some negativity on here he carried the load on his own for most of the season.
We would expect him to go to the next level in the next 1-2 years so $500-$550k is not far off the mark.

Geelong are very keen to attract him in the near future.
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Don't want to get into someone else's bun fight but if he has a year to run on his contract why should we be thinking of a new one now?

I've never understood this, the AFL world has many ex coaches who have had contracts extended and have been sacked during that extension. And how many players have peaked before being offered big money, long term, contracts that clubs have tried to get rid of?

In Clarkson's first year (pretty sure) Holland was the highest paid player on the Hawthorn list and spent most, if not all of the year in the two's. Wasn't even given a send off game from memory.

If TDK grows a leg next year then he's possibly worth even more than the money thrown around here but if he remains stagnant do we still go with four years at $550K?

How long do you continue to take a stab at how good a player will be?
 
Jeremias said:
I wouldn't be offering big money to TDK, but I don't believe it's accurate to say he's a reserve ruck.

Played 19 games this year including a significant number in tandem with Pittonet. He's clearly very much in the frame for senior selection each week.
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He’s played more games than Pitto since he arrived at the club.

TDK last 2 seasons 32 games. 39 last 3.

Pitto last 2 seasons 21 games. 34 last 3.
 
TKD took massive steps this year. He’s never going to massive grappler type ruckman

He’s athletic. Geelong just won a flag with Stanley and Blicavs who are both athletic and play multiple positions on the ground

TKD will be fine


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Benaly28 said:
Looks like Harmes ‘may’ ask for a trade has met with Essendon.
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As much I hate *, if I was a solid/fringe mid who had ever seen the inside of a centre square, I would probably explore trade talks with *.

If you're over 180cm and weigh more than 36kg, you've got an inside mid role for the rest of your career.
 
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HarryFlashman said:
Past performance is a pretty good indicator of future output- it’s a factor.
Not saying is weighted as highly, but it’s a metric used.
Like any successful business you balance what’s worked previously, what’s working now & what u hope to achieve in the future. You take in all relevant data- surely that’s not to hard to grasp.
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the discussion was about what TDK's future contract might be fair value - and Arrow was challenged about the figure he mentioned - by people ( including yourself) who suggested his past performance wasn't indicating that a future contract pointed to by Arrow 550K as a guesstimate was too high - just read the flow of 'discussion'

I pointed out the line of thinking regarding any player's future value based on how the world works - looking forward- which included everything you have repeated above.

Clubs have to make calculated 'guesses' about what a player is likely to be able to contribute and where that fits into the whole playing group's ability to execute a game plan to beat the opposition. It isn't an exact science - but the focus is always on a particular player's ability to contribute to team outcomes.

Carlton kept Murphy on for a few years too long - because of thinking about his past. WC overpaid for Kelly thinking too much about his current form and not the cost to them of two first rounders - Geelong spent those two first rounders to get Cameron in...

it all boils down to fit - cost isn't a big deal in the scheme of things - because fit sorts that out.

A big tall marking forward ruck forward who is progressing well is a harder type of player to find and develop than a typical smaller player - paying them a premium over average payment of 30% for an unknown duration ( contract length) isn't a stretch - if the players projected output potential is a better risk return bet than alternatives.

I don't usually participate in trade / draft discussion because draft in particular and even trades are a bit of a lottery. Kelly went from Geelong most damaging midfielder to bog ordinary form at WC - his projected fit with the WC team wasn't a good as expected or to repeat myself- not as impactful as Cameron's 'fit' at Geelong - absolutely magnificent trade / swap by Geelong - able to be done because Geelong seem to have smart list management down pat - they have a at least a basic understanding of portfolio management and apply it better than most.
 
JustaBattler said:
the discussion was about what TDK's future contract might be fair value - and Arrow was challenged about the figure he mentioned - by people ( including yourself) who suggested his past performance wasn't indicating that a future contract pointed to by Arrow 550K as a guesstimate was too high - just read the flow of 'discussion'

I pointed out the line of thinking regarding any player's future value based on how the world works - looking forward- which included everything you have repeated above.

Clubs have to make calculated 'guesses' about what a player is likely to be able to contribute and where that fits into the whole playing group's ability to execute a game plan to beat the opposition. It isn't an exact science - but the focus is always on a particular player's ability to contribute to team outcomes.

Carlton kept Murphy on for a few years too long - because of thinking about his past. WC overpaid for Kelly thinking too much about his current form and not the cost to them of two first rounders - Geelong spent those two first rounders to get Cameron in...

it all boils down to fit - cost isn't a big deal in the scheme of things - because fit sorts that out.

A big tall marking forward ruck forward who is progressing well is a harder type of player to find and develop than a typical smaller player - paying them a premium over average payment of 30% for an unknown duration ( contract length) isn't a stretch - if the players projected output potential is a better risk return bet than alternatives.

I don't usually participate in trade / draft discussion because draft in particular and even trades are a bit of a lottery. Kelly went from Geelong most damaging midfielder to bog ordinary form at WC - his projected fit with the WC team wasn't a good as expected or to repeat myself- not as impactful as Cameron's 'fit' at Geelong - absolutely magnificent trade / swap by Geelong - able to be done because Geelong seem to have smart list management down pat - they have a at least a basic understanding of portfolio management and apply it better than most.
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I agree with everything U just said.
Top tier ruckman are usually cheapish young & then astronomically expensive-Brody Grundy contract (2017-2020) before the latest mega deal was a 3yr extension & he was all Australian 2018- for the life of me I can’t find how much he was being paid at that time- would be an interesting piece of info.
 

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Michael Jezz said:
Definition of madness- Trading TDK
Definition of Absurd- Dropping/Trading Kennedy
Kennedy missed 5 games last year.
How many Kennedyless games did carlton win?
Elite marking inside bulls with great kicking skills do not grow on trees. Stop focusing on what he isn't ( a 2 way runner) instead of what he is.
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I always thought Kennedy's issue was more with being slow. He plods, but he seems to plod all day when allowed. Reckon his lower TOG games were when we had Crippa, Hewett and one of the slower guys on a wing (Setters, Newnes) and it was more about managing the field to keep some leg speed out there.
 
TDK needs a bigger tank...and also have another share at least 40% of the load. There were times this year he just leapt over the opposition ruck a-la Nick Nat. But he doesn't seem to be able to sustain that leap just at the minute. If Pitto can stay fit and TDK gets a bit more fuel in his legs, look out.
 
Trade Radio saying Liam Jones deal will be lodged soon.
 
TDK will get offers in excess of 700k in 12 months time. There was already talk of it during the season and I’m sure Geelong are in his ear as we speak.

550k to take him to free agency is not outlandish. Obvious overs on current output but you would’ve said the same about Tim English in 2020.
 

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