List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part I

[The_Steadier]

feels like we are one good draft away from having a real nice group of kids.

Out of finals for practically an entire decade and we're still looking towards the bright sparkling trinkets which our imagination tell us will be amazing 'in the future'.

Awesome.

We've been conditioned to look for 'potential' over performance as a measure of success.
Yay.

On Sincs going through the middle more, I’d prefer Sincs using his clean hands and kicking going into the forward 50 instead of always cleaning up mistakes down back and finding someone at halfback or the wing with a bullet only to watch them stop and prop and let everyone flood back

The problem is that not only is sinclair our best user of the football- he's also got the fastest reaction times (along with gresh) as anyone on our list.

Plus he has the steadiest hands we've got- in traffic the guy never fumbles the ball- his hands are like superglue.

He's always had these elite attributes, but until this year he just could never find the footy enough- always averaging ~18-20 possies a game.

This year he's flicked the switch and is now finding the ball with ease no matter where he plays- including when thrown into the centre square for the 2nd half v the pies in rnd 1.

Sincs' other talents (fast reaction times and sticky hands) are needed more desperately in our midfield than his passing talents are off half back.

We can get someone like linert or coffield or clark or webster to give us 80% of a sinclair off halfback.

We can't get anybody to do what sincs can in our midfield though.

So yeah- i agree, lets get sincs in the guts so he's passing it to our forwards.

 

[gringo2011]

You directly referenced taking Ryder & Howard as a mistake and had us hypothetically drafting Kosie Pickett & Georgiades like 3 posts up? That's what you were talking about, the Brown & Carlise moves were Richo era moves anyway.

Paddy is one of the main reasons we have even been in contention over the past few years. Dougal is usually very solid but is a notch below the leagues best defenders and the big forwards monster him and his prone to a brain-fade every few weeks. That move for the picks we have up was a plus. The Hill move is the big one that hasn't come close to working.

I'm saying that we have to chase players because we chose to ignore drafting them instead choosing to trade them in. It started a long time ago but still doesn't get fixed.

Ryder was good to watch but we weren't competitive if it was a patch job and he's retiring and we stood still. It doesn't even pass basic logic.

So you agree, Howard is a GOP and we shouldn't have spent so much capital on him? The whole lot of moves have been a fail IMO compared to taking the picks to the draft. The clubs that chose to do that have stars for the future. We have a GOP that will still need upgrading, a retiree and Hill who we hope we can get a tiny part of what we paid back and not have to pay too much of his wage.

To me that whole strategy was a massive fail because I was to fast track our competitiveness....only we've stood still and sides that drafted haven't.

 

[Diehard Saint]

I was always looking forward to that generation getting into media work and maybe shining a positive light on us for once, but him, Joey, Dal when he worked for Fox Footy, seemingly just line up to whack us whenever they get half a chance.

Roo is so down on the joint he'll be posting on here soon...

Cos there’s a lot positive with our list and club decisions at the moment.

Doubt Roo or Joey are getting any joy out of pointing out the negatives right now (I don’t think it’s whacking the club). They still feel a lot for the club…both actually tipped “with their hearts” for us to beat Lions last week.

I think they’re trying to hold the club accountable for decisions it makes - something we should all be happy about because I doubt any of us on here have the clout to do anything about it besides squabble on BF.

 

[Diehard Saint]

There is nothing wrong with Roo publicly holding the club to account.
The administration have had their head up their arses in terms of where we’re at, and could do with his level of standards.

Spot on!

 

[gringo2011]

If every club didn't have list holes to fill with ready-to-go players, we wouldn't have a trade period.

But we do. And every club uses it. Unfortunately, we won't ever reach this god tier status where we get every single draft pick right and identify every list hole years beforehand. We will need to use these other methods for bringing in players just like every other club.

Most successful sides draft up until they have a solid core then add the missing pieces. We've tried to add pieces that don't match then draft some, then trade some, then move some stuff around. I just want a plan and some strategy.

King and last year's draft crop are the future and the way forward, I think we all know that and while we should chase free agents and always be open to adding good pieces those high draft picks should be near untouchable except in extraordinary circumstances.

I think our list could be competitive even next year but to make that jump from good to excellent we need to draft our stars in.

 

[lewdogs]

the problem we are facing is you are going to lose players inside your best 22 namely the effective ones over the next 4 seasons which you then need to replace with even better players so you push up the ladder. that's not going to be done with 1 draft!

I'm a bit confused by this, who exactly are we losing over the next four seasons?

 

[Mowman]

So when Nas W-M requests a trade back to Sth Aus in the next month, what are we asking for in return?

Personally, I’d like Kane Farrell & a pick (if Port). Would allow us to roll Farrell off half back & pinch-hit with Sincs in the guts more often. Would love Farrell’s long precision kicking in our team

Will it be the crows or Port ?
Wouldn't mind Farrell either

 

[crasha301]

I have been thinking since Gresham has been training with the mids, doing the extra work load and playing a lot of midfield time his body has fallen apart. Some players bodies just can't keep up with the demand of an AFL midfielder eg: freezer

Now while gresh is a good midfielder he'll never be in the top 10 mids in the comp imo.

But if he was to go back to playing as a small fwd 90% of the time with a spurt in the middle the other 10% he could definitely become the best small Forward in the compition. At bare minimum he'd be top 3 imo.

So I'd rather not trade him.



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[Rors]

I have been thinking since Gresham has been training with the mids, doing the extra work load and playing a lot of midfield time his body has fallen apart. Some players bodies just can't keep up with the demand of an AFL midfielder eg: freezer

Now while gresh is a good midfielder he'll never be in the top 10 mids in the comp imo.

But if he was to go back to playing as a small fwd 90% of the time with a spurt in the middle the other 10% he could definitely become the best small Forward in the compition. At bare minimum he'd be top 3 imo.

So I'd rather not trade him.



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Whatever takes him away from the quick 5 paces sideways, burning the 3 teammates waiting for the bail out handball, then box-kick over the shoulder under pressure without looking, straight to a nest of opposition players…

yep, I’m all for it

 

[StCicatriz]

I'm a bit confused by this, who exactly are we losing over the next four seasons?

you cant be serious with this comment...

you think guys just play at that same level forever and just keep going. here's the list of those that will be 29+ in 4 seasons time. do you think you're going to retain them all? thats a huge chunk of the best 22

 

[gringo2011]

Will it be the crows or Port ?
Wouldn't mind Farrell either

I honestly have never really noticed Farrell much and I've watched a bit of Port over the years. He obviously kicks well but what else is appealing about him?

 

[The Punter]

you cant be serious with this comment...

you think guys just play at that same level forever and just keep going. here's the list of those that will be 29+ in 4 seasons time. do you think you're going to retain them all? thats a huge chunk of the best 22
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I look at that list and think to myself that perhaps 2023 is the year when the list transforms from "older than you think looking at games played" to "that's a young list".

 

[jwikked]

I wonder if Choey is a vindictive campaigner?
He’d be laughing his ring out about now.

Say what you will about him as a coach, but he doesn’t strike me as vindictive. He seems like a very straight type of guy, to the point where I felt bad about some of the rhetoric about him when he was nearing his end with us. The kind of guy you’d love to live next door to.

Two-time best and fairest Swan won't sign new deal until end of the season

“I’m loving my time up here, I’ve been up here 10 years now so it feels like home.”

www.sen.com.au

Jake Lloyd would be a good get. Definitely worth a shot.

 

[Captain Paddy]

Imagine Lenny teaching Bytel

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I'm saying that we have to chase players because we chose to ignore drafting them instead choosing to trade them in. It started a long time ago but still doesn't get fixed.

Ryder was good to watch but we weren't competitive if it was a patch job and he's retiring and we stood still. It doesn't even pass basic logic.

So you agree, Howard is a GOP and we shouldn't have spent so much capital on him? The whole lot of moves have been a fail IMO compared to taking the picks to the draft. The clubs that chose to do that have stars for the future. We have a GOP that will still need upgrading, a retiree and Hill who we hope we can get a tiny part of what we paid back and not have to pay too much of his wage.

To me that whole strategy was a massive fail because I was to fast track our competitiveness....only we've stood still and sides that drafted haven't.

Plan was obvious.
Talls take longer so draft them first .

Paddy, Goddard, Longer. Job Done.

I think part of your system has to be that you can't just lock and load , you need to allow that things might turn to crap.

Hawks didn't have psychic ability for drafting

2002 first rounder , Brennan.
2003 they pulled a swifty with Trent Croad.
2004 Roughead and Franklin, right place at the right time. But was Egan really a good draft to get from Nathan Thompson?
2005 Ellis was OK. Hard to believe they were getting a priority pick just a few years before their premiership.
Dowler before Ryder OUCH, Max Bailey taken with their second.
2006 Do the supporters cry because they took Mitch Thorp ahead of Selwood? Why did they do that , they had Buddy and Roughie?
2007 Cyril.

Its kind of frustrating to look at who received priority picks back then.

Saints pick 1 2000 Pick 2 2001
Hawks pick 1 2001 pick 2 2004 Pick 3 2005 Yes , premiership 3 years after receiving priority picks in 3 of 5 years.
West Coast pick 3 2001 Premiership 2006 . pick 26 2010 pick 28 2011.
Bulldogs Pick 1 2003 Pick 3 2003.
Carlton pick 2 2003 ( Despite being stripped of normal picks for salary cap breach ). Pick 1 2004. pick 17 2006
Melbourne pick 3 2003. Pick 1 2009.
Richmond pick 1 2004
Collingwood pick 1 2005 Premiership 2010.
Essendon pick 18 2006.
Adelaide pick 27 2011
Fremantle pick 29 2011.

 

[Rors]

Imagine Lenny teaching Bytel

Gonna be hard when Lenny is coaching our midfield & Bytel is at Essendon

 

[gringo2011]

Say what you will about him as a coach, but he doesn’t strike me as vindictive. He seems like a very straight type of guy, to the point where I felt bad about some of the rhetoric about him when he was nearing his end with us. The kind of guy you’d love to live next door to.

Two-time best and fairest Swan won't sign new deal until end of the season

“I’m loving my time up here, I’ve been up here 10 years now so it feels like home.”

www.sen.com.au

Jake Lloyd would be a good get. Definitely worth a shot.

I've been pushing for JL lately. He was an absolute star and he's being used out of position lately as the Swans phase their new crew in. He's not going to be around for long but he'd be a massive upgrade on Hill and allow us to move Sincs on ball. It would be a huge yes if we can get him for not too much. The Swans must want to reduce their cap a bit still, they have so many guns to sign soon.

 

[stavro#4]

Plan was obvious.
Talls take longer so draft them first .

Paddy, Goddard, Longer. Job Done.

I think part of your system has to be that you can't just lock and load , you need to allow that things might turn to crap.

Hawks didn't have psychic ability for drafting

2002 first rounder , Brennan.
2003 they pulled a swifty with Trent Croad.
2004 Roughead and Franklin, right place at the right time. But was Egan really a good draft to get from Nathan Thompson?
2005 Ellis was OK. Hard to believe they were getting a priority pick just a few years before their premiership.
Dowler before Ryder OUCH, Max Bailey taken with their second.
2006 Do the supporters cry because they took Mitch Thorp ahead of Selwood? Why did they do that , they had Buddy and Roughie?
2007 Cyril.

Its kind of frustrating to look at who received priority picks back then.

Saints pick 1 2000 Pick 2 2001
Hawks pick 1 2001 pick 2 2004 Pick 3 2005 Yes , premiership 3 years after receiving priority picks in 3 of 5 years.
West Coast pick 3 2001 Premiership 2006 . pick 26 2010 pick 28 2011.
Bulldogs Pick 1 2003 Pick 3 2003.
Carlton pick 2 2003 ( Despite being stripped of normal picks for salary cap breach ). Pick 1 2004. pick 17 2006
Melbourne pick 3 2003. Pick 1 2009.
Richmond pick 1 2004
Collingwood pick 1 2005 Premiership 2010.
Essendon pick 18 2006.
Adelaide pick 27 2011
Fremantle pick 29 2011.

Not sure what you are doing with our picks.

But we had the following.

00’
pick 1 roo
pick 2 Kosi
01
pick 2 Ball
pick 5 Clarke
pick 13 Dalsanto
Pick 21 goose Maguire
pick 37 Joey

02
Pick 1 Goddard
Traded pick 6 (salopek) for Barry Brookes from memory
Pick 22 Matt Ferguson

 

[chris_h_11]

Doubt Roo or Joey are getting any joy out of pointing out the negatives right now (I don’t think it’s whacking the club)

Roo was having a whinge about Seaford 2 weeks ago. Absolutely zero relevance to the current side or our form or anything, just a chance to get a cheap laugh at the club's expense.

It's the national TV equivalent of a big footy poster using "culture" as a reply!!

If Roo is so concerned about the club, he's actually someone who could make a difference. I put GT in the same basket.

 

[bergholt]

We would have the smallest pool of under 23s in the league you'd reckon. It's going to take a few drafts to balance that out and we are going to have to have some solid list management decisions made.

Number of under 23s on the list at the start of this year:

25: Adelaide, Gold Coast, North Melbourne
24:
23:
22: Collingwood
21: Brisbane
20:
19: Fremantle, GWS, Hawthorn, Melbourne, Richmond
18: Essendon, Port Adelaide, Sydney
17:
16: Carlton
15: West Coast, Western Bulldogs
14: St Kilda
13: Geelong

Doesn't look great hey.

 

[stavro#4]

Roo was having a whinge about Seaford 2 weeks ago. Absolutely zero relevance to the current side or our form or anything, just a chance to get a cheap laugh at the club's expense.

It's the national TV equivalent of a big footy poster using "culture" as a reply!!

If Roo is so concerned about the club, he's actually someone who could make a difference. I put GT in the same basket.

Roo is heavily involved in all the fluffy stuff for the club.

Doesn’t want a leadership position on the board or coaching etc.

 

[Mowman]

Carlton is at the front of the queue for Fremantle’s Blake Acres

13

Blake Acres

Age

29

Ht

193cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.9

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

7.7

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.8

4star

.

That is according to Western Australian journalist Kim Hagdorn who is reporting that the Blues have “jumped to the front of the race” for the Dockers wingman.




Acres, 26, is out of contract this year and is yet to re-sign with Freo as Victorian clubs circle.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Roo was having a whinge about Seaford 2 weeks ago. Absolutely zero relevance to the current side or our form or anything, just a chance to get a cheap laugh at the club's expense.

It's the national TV equivalent of a big footy poster using "culture" as a reply!!

If Roo is so concerned about the club, he's actually someone who could make a difference. I put GT in the same basket.

And how was he wrong about Seaford?
it was a shocking move for the club. If we make dumb decisions we need to take the flak.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Not sure what you are doing with our picks.

But we had the following.

00’
pick 1 roo
pick 2 Kosi
01
pick 2 Ball
pick 5 Clarke
pick 13 Dalsanto
Pick 21 goose Maguire
pick 37 Joey

02
Pick 1 Goddard
Traded pick 6 (salopek) for Barry Brookes from memory
Pick 22 Matt Ferguson

I was comparing the Hawks drafting.
Our hits and misses are pretty well known.

Hawks had plenty of big misses, but they were also thrown 3 priority picks in 5 years.

 

[gringo2011]

Carlton is at the front of the queue for Fremantle’s Blake Acres.

That is according to Western Australian journalist Kim Hagdorn who is reporting that the Blues have “jumped to the front of the race” for the Dockers wingman.




Acres, 26, is out of contract this year and is yet to re-sign with Freo as Victorian clubs circle.

He'd suit them, they like to get out into space.