List Mgmt. 2022 Trade Thread - Part II
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One thing that was raised the other day was Battle was classed as the key defender who had the least amount of goals kicked on him, which is a pretty good stat , so if he is settled in that position we could have a real beauty down back for years to come.
Lienart is a good fit if we get any injuries , not in our best side but there if needed and giving Sharman time in defense is only helping his development.
Our backline is one area I think we are ok in , however we do need a good small defender - with Webster and Paton doing the job now I feel we could easily pick up a player like Darcy Tucker or Duggan from West Coast - interesting to see they talked to McGrath from the Bombers.
We also need to pickup a potential star CHB like Buslinger in the draft if we had a chance to grab him - rated higher than what Naughton was in his draft.
The problem with North wanting Hill is that they don't really have the draft picks to get the Hill deal done - I would fully expect a end of first round pick with them taking his full contract but after there pick 1 pick they really have nothing.
Yeah it sucks, but there is plenty of kids that do want to play and will play their guys out. It’s getting harder and harder to play footy professionally and it will get to a point that we won’t have passengers in our team.
Until then, cash in on the ones that want out, bring in talented kids who do want to play.
Not sure I'd really like to be after either of those players tbh, both wingman/half backs who are purely outside. Duggan maybe because he's a good kick (from what i've seen) but he only signed a contract last year so would probably cost bit to try and lure him. Would rather take Harvey Gallagher with the pick we get for Long, he's a hard runner who excelled when moved to the back half.
Busslinger would be my dream if all the impact midfielders are off the board, but I doubt he gets past Gold Coast.
The players who want out have not been setting the world on fire and are most probably can't handle the pressure being put on them , so good they want out and as you said reload with players with more spine.
Crap stat, Battle played on the third forward, so it doesn’t actually tell the whole picture. How many goals would that 3rd forward generally average per game?
Like disposal efficiency, face up kicks 10 meters backwards is a cheap stat.
What is the disposal under pressure stat?
As far as our back 6 goes, IMO, is a break even pass. Considering the amount of ball that went in, but was quickly exposed.
IMO we need a tall 200cm athletic KPD
Back 6 certain starters -
Wilke - BP
Howard to go CHB
Coffield HB
Rotate Sincs HB
(rotate through mid with Owens or drafted mid)
If we get a KPD, that leaves 1 position for;
Battle
Paton
Webster
Connelly
Highmore
Leinart
Clark - most likely drafted
Long - most likely drafted
Sharman - should be playing forward.
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Hence why they maybe biting the bullet and are committing to try and right their wrongs now before it is too late and King and his brother are at the end of their prime ..... and we find ourselves in another middling hole in 5 years time
I think if Hill (who is 29) is keen to break contract and move then I think we would definitely consider it - it is just that we can't force the move so we need him to do the heavy lifting
Re: Clark - he has enormous potential but he is fragile and just can't seem to get his body right - also maybe the powers that be see something in Clark that believe can't be fixed ie: fitness, strength building, lack of true commitment to getting the best out of himself - right now he has some trade currency and if we believe he will never reach his true potential then let's at least make the most out of a stagnant situation
If Gresh has a middling year next year then he could also find himself on the chopping block
Billings is too far down the track now to get anything decent for
Of course if we are going to draft for a mini rebuild with the intention of building a talented young core around the Kings then we have to hit every draft pick .... we can't afford any more misses at least with our top end draft picks
Windy Nasiah and Michito has been a good start and hopefully we can find a few more gold nuggets
I don't think our backline is actually that poor, our midfield let the ball just waltz in there. It wasn't the amount of times it was down there that hurt us but how little pressure was on the kicker going inside 50.
Unfortunately 200cm athletic KPDs don't grow on trees though Lewis Hayes could be close potentially to our 2nd in the draft and wouldn't mind trading up for him (provided that we aren't overpaying drastically).
Didn’t saints tv report 600k?Is Ben Long really getting four years at $500k?
You'd play a 7th so you'd have 2 to choose from.
Also, I'd be rotating Ross to hbf with Sincs.
I'd be really pissed if we lose Clark and Long. We seem to be just churning through players the last few years for not much improvement and I'd rather just retain the group together rather than shuffling the chairs around - at least they'd have synergy.
But, if we could get another 1st round pick to get a big bodied mid like Husthwaite and also land Busslinger that would sweeten it a little.
Bulldogs look like being a winner if you think short term.
Their tall backs have been suspect and no they have Liam Jones for FB.
Lobb gives them another weapon while they wait for Darcy to Develop.
That will certainly help them list wise at least for the next season or two.
Though the Dogs biggest problem is the same as ours in that each of us has a shitty gameplan, and seemingly coaches too stubborn to change it.
Losing Dunkley does not hurt them as they have an abundance of mids.
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We have pretty much lost Hunter Clark to 2 years of freak injuries, trading him now makes 0 sense
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He also had 25 and 3 in a 30-point loss against West Coast in his tenth game.
Billings has tragically never been able to recapture just how good he looked in his first 50 games but as I've been saying in this thread, Hunter Clark has never had a game that he tore apart like that in his first 50 games where he was the deciding factor.
It's really disappointing because his hands are unbelievably clean and he's the best ambidextrous kick in the competition. The skills are there for him to be great, but he hasn't captured it.
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Hill’s trade value has lowered since we got him based on his age now (turns 30 next year) and that his form hasn’t been as good as it was at Freo. His ’full contract’ shouldn’t be a factor and only diminishes his trade value if we are desperate to get rid of him (a la Treloar).
Doesn’t sound like we are trying to get rid of him nor do we need to offload his salary (Hannebery, Ryder, Geary, Kent all retiring).
If Hill really wants to leave then he should negotiate a new salary with North (or any other club) based on what they feel he is worth.
If North don’t value him at his current salary then he takes a pay cut to move (or he stays).
Then Saints and North work out a fair trade deal for both parties.
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GC have two picks in the thirties. At this point I think they are 31 and 37.
They want Ben Long, then honestly one of those at least is coming this way.
Hill should be worth something in the first twenty.
Clark should be worth something in the first twenty also.
I dont want to lose Long or Clark to be honest. Clark especially. If he is going anywhere we must be adequately compensated. I'd be unhappy with anything beyond the first fifteen really.
With that speculation in some miraculous way actually happened, then we would definitely have a considerable draft hand.
They want Ben Long, then honestly one of those at least is coming this way.
Hill should be worth something in the first twenty.
Clark should be worth something in the first twenty also.
I dont want to lose Long or Clark to be honest. Clark especially. If he is going anywhere we must be adequately compensated. I'd be unhappy with anything beyond the first fifteen really.
With that speculation in some miraculous way actually happened, then we would definitely have a considerable draft hand.
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Thats not a fact at all. In the 23 years of national drafts the Brownlow medal winners that were drafted in the top 10, only won 8 Brownlows (35%).
Brownlow medal winners taken with picks 11-58, father son and zone took 65% of Brownlow wins.
Brownlow medal winners who were drafted with picks from 20-58 won 12 times (52%).
If we want a better chance of drafting a Brownlow winner then we need to get our hands on Picks 20, 40, 43, and 58 who all have had two Brownlow winners each. Interestingly these four picks have produced as many Brownlow winners (35%) as the top 10 picks have.
Interesting that neither the club or Clark's management have denied or confirmed it.. Could Clark feel a change of scenary might bring him a bit more luck..
Hill & Hannebery have/did fall short on what we gave up in relation to picks/players/salary cap..
Do we reverse our recent trend & hit the draft with an eye on a top 4-6 draft pick if we wrapped Clark with our pick 8/9
Clark has been hit hard with injury & understandably been a shadow of the player we saw in 2020..
No doubt though he's talented & a likely 200 game player..
Regarding Hill I noted the club said they hadn't discussed a trade with Hill but didn't declare he's "a contracted & required player.."
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Wasn't aware the club made an official statement..
We've invested a healthy amount into Hill there's still time to reap some reward..
A more attacking style/transition from defence would see Hill's strength, which is his run & ability to hit up leading forward's be best utilised..
A big difference between Rds 1-11, than post bye Rds 13-23 & coincidentally Hilly had very good first half year..
Clark & Hilly have been found at the Boundary Hotel Pokies of late...
In the old days some might even suggest he's a mercenary..
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