List Mgmt. 2022 Young Talent Time

[apuchar]

Finished picking for Freo over at the BF Phantom Draft, here's my picks for those interested








If I had known Noah Long would slide so far I might not have gone with Hagan first. He's a bargain there and obviously picking two small midfielders is going against what we'll actually do in the draft but both players are pretty versatile and can play roles in the forward and back line

Had I gone purely on a needs basis, I would have gone with Hudson O'Keefe, a ruckman from Victoria who reportedly has family ties to Western Australia. I don't really rate any of the tall forwards on the board high enough to pick them besides Jasper Scaife, who we'd likely get as a category-b rookie. I passed on Draper for the reason I don't see him as a national draft pick

Either way, pretty happy to get 4 players I rate in my top 40 with only a single pick inside of the 40

Happy to answer questions

Why is Binns rated so low by everyone?

 

[Bastyy]

Was curious about not matching the bid for Draper, with 7 list spots available thought we could match the bid, still select 4 plays and have 2 spots left for the rookie draft (1 if we decide to keep a spot open for Tippa)

I'd take Draper as a rookie but don't really see him as a candidate for the national draft. I think he might be worth giving a year long contract to see if he can adapt to the AFL system.

If a bid for Scaife came I'd have matched that because I think he's good enough for a senior spot but no bid came so I went with a talent who could be a lot better than Pick 69

Why is Binns rated so low by everyone?

His kicking and his lack of an inside game are the main reasons. Ed Langdon is probably the best player comparison possible and he went at pick 54 in his draft year

 

[Alfonz]

Finished picking for Freo over at the BF Phantom Draft, here's my picks for those interested








If I had known Noah Long would slide so far I might not have gone with Hagan first. He's a bargain there and obviously picking two small midfielders is going against what we'll actually do in the draft but both players are pretty versatile and can play roles in the forward and back line

Had I gone purely on a needs basis, I would have gone with Hudson O'Keefe, a ruckman from Victoria who reportedly has family ties to Western Australia. I don't really rate any of the tall forwards on the board high enough to pick them besides Jasper Scaife, who we'd likely get as a category-b rookie. I passed on Draper for the reason I don't see him as a national draft pick

Either way, pretty happy to get 4 players I rate in my top 40 with only a single pick inside of the 40

Happy to answer questions

I like the KPD pick, but I don't understand taking 2 tiny midfielders and another smallish one who can't kick. Our list needs forwards (and if they are small, they need to have electric pace/leap), KPD and ruck. I wouldn't mind midfielders (e.g. Allan or Hewitt if we had an earlier pick), but we already have Brayshaw and Serong and should be avoiding any more smallish mids.

Many of your "also considered" options would seem like better list choices to me based on what I can read/watch online. For example a haul of Magor / Adams / Cole / O'Keefe would be much more appealing on paper to me.

 

[Bastyy]

I like the KPD pick, but I don't understand taking 2 tiny midfielders and another smallish one who can't kick. Our list needs forwards (and if they are small, they need to have electric pace/leap), KPD and ruck. I wouldn't mind midfielders (e.g. Allan or Hewitt if we had an earlier pick), but we already have Brayshaw and Serong and should be avoiding any more smallish mids.

Many of your "also considered" options would seem like better list choices to me based on what I can read/watch online. For example a haul of Magor / Adams / Cole / O'Keefe would be much more appealing on paper to me.

Hagan wasn’t just picked because he was a really good small mid, his versatility and ability to play anywhere was why I went with him, combine that with the fact he can more than likely play AFL footy, he was by far the best option to me. Magor was close, but I rated the stability and safe option in Hagan higher because more immediate depth at 33 is what I wanted

Binns was picked because the club clearly thinks we need a wing since we went for Sharp. It’s not like Sharp is the best kick either, and neither is the guy who just left in Acres. I’d back in the club to develop in to a good enough kicker.

Long was picked because you don’t get talent like that at Pick 69 in any draft ever. I do agree O’Keefe is better on a needs basis, Cole is too, but if we were in a position to draft a player who could be a really, really good mid compared to someone who could be a pretty good ruck or someone who has more bust potential in Cole, i’d hope we take the mid

I sort of knew the Long pick would be controversial, but I think it’s what i’d want if the club was in that position

 

[theGav56]

Hagan wasn’t just picked because he was a really good small mid, his versatility and ability to play anywhere was why I went with him, combine that with the fact he can more than likely play AFL footy, he was by far the best option to me. Magor was close, but I rated the stability and safe option in Hagan higher because more immediate depth at 33 is what I wanted

Binns was picked because the club clearly thinks we need a wing since we went for Sharp. It’s not like Sharp is the best kick either, and neither is the guy who just left in Acres. I’d back in the club to develop in to a good enough kicker.

Long was picked because you don’t get talent like that at Pick 69 in any draft ever. I do agree O’Keefe is better on a needs basis, Cole is too, but if we were in a position to draft a player who could be a really, really good mid compared to someone who could be a pretty good ruck or someone who has more bust potential in Cole, i’d hope we take the mid

I sort of knew the Long pick would be controversial, but I think it’s what i’d want if the club was in that position

After looking at that Phantom and factoring in your comments about Long being available, they seems to be a diversity of opinion about the depth in this draft.

 

[theGav56]

Hagan wasn’t just picked because he was a really good small mid, his versatility and ability to play anywhere was why I went with him, combine that with the fact he can more than likely play AFL footy, he was by far the best option to me. Magor was close, but I rated the stability and safe option in Hagan higher because more immediate depth at 33 is what I wanted

Binns was picked because the club clearly thinks we need a wing since we went for Sharp. It’s not like Sharp is the best kick either, and neither is the guy who just left in Acres. I’d back in the club to develop in to a good enough kicker.

Long was picked because you don’t get talent like that at Pick 69 in any draft ever. I do agree O’Keefe is better on a needs basis, Cole is too, but if we were in a position to draft a player who could be a really, really good mid compared to someone who could be a pretty good ruck or someone who has more bust potential in Cole, i’d hope we take the mid

I sort of knew the Long pick would be controversial, but I think it’s what i’d want if the club was in that position

After looking at that Phantom and factoring in your comments about Long being available, they seems to be a diversity of opinion about the depth in this draft

 

[gaskin]

I just looked at the Phantom Draft and it would be such a Carlton thing to do taking Ed Allen the pick before us.

 

[Bastyy]

After looking at that Phantom and factoring in your comments about Long being available, they seems to be a diversity of opinion about the depth in this draft.

Yeah I don't think the depth of the draft is THAT bad but I do think it's worse than recent years. I don't see Jakob Ryan, Mitch Szybkowski, Noah Long or Ed Allan all falling as far as they did.

 

[Purple Suit]

I just looked at the Phantom Draft and it would be such a Carlton thing to do taking Ed Allen the pick before us.

I think for once that he won’t be a need for Carlton so maybe they pass on him. Unfortunately their “take who Freo want” rule overrides their list needs rule as well as their best available rule.

 

[pK75]

I think for once that he won’t be a need for Carlton so maybe they pass on him. Unfortunately their “take who Freo want” rule overrides their list needs rule as well as their best available rule.

When you consider who they have drafted over the last 5 years when left to their own scouts, you can see why they’ve adopted a “take who Freo wants” strategy. Dow, Stocker, SPS, Kenp, they’ve blown some serious draft capital.

 

[blue shark]

I think for once that he won’t be a need for Carlton so maybe they pass on him. Unfortunately their “take who Freo want” rule overrides their list needs rule as well as their best available rule.

The other issue with the draft is GWS always moving up the ladder to
take what they want.
You’d bet your bottom dollar that If Jackson was available this year he’d still go
top 3, but still wouldn’t end up at WC

 

[CapitalA]

The other issue with the draft is GWS always moving up the ladder to
take what they want.
You’d bet your bottom dollar that If Jackson was available this year he’d still go
top 3, but still wouldn’t end up at WC

Makes sense, they traded down to pick 8.

 

[blue shark]

Makes sense, they traded down to pick 8.

Yep the world now wants equality for all, but the VFL will never be a level playing field.
Just highlights what Freo have done and not by accident.
That and we bottomed out in several strong draft years.

 

[dexter_]

No Darcy Jones in Twomey's latest top 30.

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking

AFL.com.au's draft guru Cal Twomey rates the performances of 30 of 2022's top draft prospects

www.afl.com.au

 

[Big Animal]

I think for once that he won’t be a need for Carlton so maybe they pass on him. Unfortunately their “take who Freo want” rule overrides their list needs rule as well as their best available rule.

imitation is the highest form of flattery

 

[Alfonz]

Hagan wasn’t just picked because he was a really good small mid, his versatility and ability to play anywhere was why I went with him, combine that with the fact he can more than likely play AFL footy, he was by far the best option to me. Magor was close, but I rated the stability and safe option in Hagan higher because more immediate depth at 33 is what I wanted

Binns was picked because the club clearly thinks we need a wing since we went for Sharp. It’s not like Sharp is the best kick either, and neither is the guy who just left in Acres. I’d back in the club to develop in to a good enough kicker.

Long was picked because you don’t get talent like that at Pick 69 in any draft ever. I do agree O’Keefe is better on a needs basis, Cole is too, but if we were in a position to draft a player who could be a really, really good mid compared to someone who could be a pretty good ruck or someone who has more bust potential in Cole, i’d hope we take the mid

I sort of knew the Long pick would be controversial, but I think it’s what i’d want if the club was in that position

That all sounds fine for each individual selection, I'm just not sure it works as a collective. Bringing in a swag of average small midfielders is about the last thing our list needs. Binns/Long are more than likely to be Worner/Crowden level players (or worse). Even if the forwards are more likely to be busts, I would rather strike out completely trying to jag someone who can actually kick some goals.

 

[Taylor]

If you went to shake Jed Hagan's hand and it is bigger than a man of that size should be, even though we would basically be eye to eye, you pull the trigger and pick that player. If they look like a young dog with big paws, they are going to grow as soon as the diet kicks in and the hormones fire.

Hagan is a quality footballer, the risk is that he would be a dominant WAFL player in the midfield and at AFL level won't have enough points of difference to split him from the pack. Same story with Hewitt.

Think of an elite midfielder, think of what makes them so good and dial that down to regular levels keeping everything else the same. They become Blakely or Matt de Boer.

 

[WilloTree]

Finished picking for Freo over at the BF Phantom Draft, here's my picks for those interested








If I had known Noah Long would slide so far I might not have gone with Hagan first. He's a bargain there and obviously picking two small midfielders is going against what we'll actually do in the draft but both players are pretty versatile and can play roles in the forward and back line

Had I gone purely on a needs basis, I would have gone with Hudson O'Keefe, a ruckman from Victoria who reportedly has family ties to Western Australia. I don't really rate any of the tall forwards on the board high enough to pick them besides Jasper Scaife, who we'd likely get as a category-b rookie. I passed on Draper for the reason I don't see him as a national draft pick

Either way, pretty happy to get 4 players I rate in my top 40 with only a single pickn inside of the 40

Happy to answer questions

Nice work.

Hagen - Great pick. You want as much talent in the door as possible, and Hagan has it in spades. I'm still impressed he was playing Colts when most other kids his age are running around in Year 10 school footy.

Adams - Very astute. Need some depth in out KPD now that we jettisoned Logue and Hamling is broken. Assuming Hayes and Buzz go first round I'd like one of Adams or Davies. I'd have Davies slightly ahead, but I'm not sure where we'd need to Draft him. Sydney and Port have both already spoken to him.

Binns - I like this. Colyer is at the wrong end of his career, Sturt is genuinely struggling and Henry hasn't come on. We need a HHF who can play 3rd Wing, so Binns fills a need.

Long - meh, I probably would have taken a ruck here and Broadbent was still on the table. We're pretty screwed if Darcy goes down this year.

Oh, and I'd bet my left nut we're taking 4.

 

[Lach72]

Not a single forward in there heh Bastyy?

Brave man

 

[nurries]

No Darcy Jones in Twomey's latest top 30.

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking

AFL.com.au's draft guru Cal Twomey rates the performances of 30 of 2022's top draft prospects

www.afl.com.au

If Jones is there at 30 I would take him unless someone else we rated drops big time

Darcy projects a bit like Papley to me

 

[Dockeroo]

Is Darcy Jones an indigenous kid?

 

[Bastyy]

Not a single forward in there heh Bastyy?

Brave man

I probably would have gone for a forward instead of Hagan if I knew Long was going to last to where he did. Magor might make that draft look better even if I think Hagan is the best pick there

And besides, who doesn't love a bit of controversy on the Freo board

 

[pK75]

I probably would have gone for a forward instead of Hagan if I knew Long was going to last to where he did. Magor might make that draft look better even if I think Hagan is the best pick there

And besides, who doesn't love a bit of controversy on the Freo board

Relax, we get Scaife as a cat-b rookie

 

[myfreodom]

Relax, we get Scaife as a cat-b rookie

Yep. I reckon Draper is the only one that might get a sneaky bid. Scaife and Williams won't get bids.

 

[sherrif]

Nice work.

Hagen - Great pick. You want as much talent in the door as possible, and Hagan has it in spades. I'm still impressed he was playing Colts when most other kids his age are running around in Year 10 school footy.

Adams - Very astute. Need some depth in out KPD now that we jettisoned Logue and Hamling is broken. Assuming Hayes and Buzz go first round I'd like one of Adams or Davies. I'd have Davies slightly ahead, but I'm not sure where we'd need to Draft him. Sydney and Port have both already spoken to him.

Binns - I like this. Colyer is at the wrong end of his career, Sturt is genuinely struggling and Henry hasn't come on. We need a HHF who can play 3rd Wing, so Binns fills a need.

Long - meh, I probably would have taken a ruck here and Broadbent was still on the table. We're pretty screwed if Darcy goes down this year.

Oh, and I'd bet my left nut we're taking 4.

I think we might be able to trade up for Essendon's pick 22 which looks like being taken at pick 25 in the draft if they cant gain a pick ahead of a Davey bid. Something like our pick 30 (pick 33 in draft and the Carlton future 3rd for pick 25 and Essendon future 4th) would enable that trade. If we did this then we should look at Max Gruzewski who's played mostly as a key defender but has shown promise as a key forward too. A player who could potentially fill the 3rd wing hff role is the super athletic Cory Burgiel. Both Burgiel and Gruzewski look likely to be gone if we don' trade up. Burgiel for mine would be a terrific choice for us.