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If Jones is there at 30 I would take him unless someone else we rated drops big time

Darcy projects a bit like Papley to me
Our pick 30 will likely be taken at pick 33 in the draft. If we rate Jones highly enough I wouldn't be against trading up if he's available a say pick 28.
 
Our pick 30 will likely be taken at pick 33 in the draft. If we rate Jones highly enough I wouldn't be against trading up if he's available a say pick 28.

Would we sacrifice pick 44 for that sort of upgrade? It’s what it’d take imo. That or North’s F3.

Personally I’m happy enough for us to sit there and see what we’ll get at the first two selections we have.

If there’s a player available at say pick 50 we rate as a top 30 prospect I’m more than happy to use a future pick to trade in a third selection tbh. There’s still clubs I look at and wonder how they’re going to use the selections they have so there many be opportunities there.
 
Would we sacrifice pick 44 for that sort of upgrade? It’s what it’d take imo. That or North’s F3.

Personally I’m happy enough for us to sit there and see what we’ll get at the first two selections we have.

If there’s a player available at say pick 50 we rate as a top 30 prospect I’m more than happy to use a future pick to trade in a third selection tbh. There’s still clubs I look at and wonder how they’re going to use the selections they have so there many be opportunities there.
Based on probabilities, it’s almost certain that there will be a player there at 50 that we rate at 30. I’d say that’s the same for most clubs. Club Draft boards get hugely varied after about pick 15-20.
Of course every club will use the old chestnut “we rated player X in the first round or second round” when talking about their late selections! 😂
 

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So self reflecting quiz questions for the weekend:
  1. If Ed Allan and Darcy Jones are at our first pick (or reachable at our first pick with some live trade jiggerypokery) who do we take / who would you prefer and why? and
  2. If we are at our last pick and both Jaspar Scaife and Josh Draper are there, which one do we take (if either) / who do you prefer and why?
 
So self reflecting quiz questions for the weekend:
  1. If Ed Allan and Darcy Jones are at our first pick (or reachable at our first pick with some live trade jiggerypokery) who do we take / who would you prefer and why? and
  2. If we are at our last pick and both Jaspar Scaife and Josh Draper are there, which one do we take (if either) / who do you prefer and why?

1. I'd take Allan. To me he seems the less riskier option. Jones is no doubt talented but there'll be less roles that he'll be able to fill at AFL level whereas Allan could be used in a number of roles. The obvious link to our club is also a consideration.

2. If we can fit both Scaife and Draper as Cat B's, then I'd take neither. I'd prefer Scaife because he's a WP boy, has a great name and comes with estibador approval.
 
I think Allan will slide to us
I highly doubt that. Reports I read indicate WC have had multiple meetings with him and will consider pulling the trigger at 13 (after Ashcroft bid) given their next pick in the early twenties (after about 4-5 bids expected in the top 25). This will slide our first pick back to around 34 but likely bring our second pick into around 40-41. I can’t see Allan sliding through to around 33-34. He is projected for around 15-25 range with WC a growing chance to reach e slightly early for him.
 
If Jones is there at 30 I would take him unless someone else we rated drops big time

Darcy projects a bit like Papley to me
There will be some decent players available between 30-45. It is sounding a lot like the draft will have around 50-55 picks in total. So our last couple will be very late but a good opportunity to pick out a couple of late sliders.

Brisbane will likely have a few picks after our last one but there won’t be too many more.

I really think Draper and Scaife will get through to the Cat-Bruh rookie draft.
 
There will be some decent players available between 30-45. It is sounding a lot like the draft will have around 50-55 picks in total. So our last couple will be very late but a good opportunity to pick out a couple of late sliders.

Brisbane will likely have a few picks after our last one but there won’t be too many more.

I really think Draper and Scaife will get through to the Cat-Bruh rookie draft.

I did a bit of a look at the lists recently (I can post the numbers if people are interested enough) and I reckon it’s currently looking like mid to high 50s to low 60s tbh. Sounds like quite a feasible number imo, remembering that DFAs and Rookie Elevations I haven’t taken into consideration. At this stage I’m basically just assuming clubs upgrade their third/fourth year rookies (and one for us) but I’m sure they’ll be more than that. Haven’t taken into account DFAs at all but I’m not expecting many - they’ll be more delisted players taken as rookies imo.

Anyway, I think they’ll be a handful of 5th round onwards selections after we finish. They’ll be inside pick 60 though.

Our pick 67 probably ends up early 50s, whilst pick 67 ends up mid 50s. IMO they aren’t useless selections when used the right way.
 
I did a bit of a look at the lists recently (I can post the numbers if people are interested enough) and I reckon it’s currently looking like mid to high 50s to low 60s tbh. Sounds like quite a feasible number imo, remembering that DFAs and Rookie Elevations I haven’t taken into consideration. At this stage I’m basically just assuming clubs upgrade their third/fourth year rookies (and one for us) but I’m sure they’ll be more than that. Haven’t taken into account DFAs at all but I’m not expecting many - they’ll be more delisted players taken as rookies imo.

Anyway, I think they’ll be a handful of 5th round onwards selections after we finish. They’ll be inside pick 60 though.

Our pick 67 probably ends up early 50s, whilst pick 67 ends up mid 50s. IMO they aren’t useless selections when used the right way.
I was going off a couple of the so called experts. Mind you one of them was Matthew Rendell who let’s be honest likes to speak out mindless rubbish at times.

The comments were around 45-50 picks but that was after around 10 DFA selected.

I reckon 5 DFA will be closer to the mark and around 55 ND selections closer to the mark. So your comments around 55-60 picks is a good call. Really depends how many DFA get selected.
 
2. If we can fit both Scaife and Draper as Cat B's, then I'd take neither. I'd prefer Scaife because he's a WP boy, has a great name and comes with @estibador approval.

I can't tell if you're messing with me or not... I'm on the Draper bandwagon.

Scaife might be good too, I dunno, I don't know much about him. Being from WP is a black mark against him though.
 

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I was going off a couple of the so called experts. Mind you one of them was Matthew Rendell who let’s be honest likes to speak out mindless rubbish at times.

The comments were around 45-50 picks but that was after around 10 DFA selected.

I reckon 5 DFA will be closer to the mark and around 55 ND selections closer to the mark. So your comments around 55-60 picks is a good call. Really depends how many DFA get selected.

Couldn’t care less about Rendell says tbh.

My calculations made it about 5-6 selections higher than the range Cal Twomey came up with. Twomey usually seems to get the amount of picks quite right.

There’s still a fair bit to happen until we can predict the amount of picks tbh. Sydney currently have two free list spots (senior list and Category A rookie list) for example.
 
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Is Allen a priority for us? Do we need mids still. Eurasmus and Johnson are going to have to push hard to get a game now JOM has been recruited.

I'd rather a dangerous half forward or a key back now Logue has left and Pearce could become injured throughout the next few seasons.
 
Allen purely for the history and the “bloodlines” of a club champion. Already getting the absolute most out of his ability. Went from late pick roughie to first round pick. Has his old man to guide him throughout and give advice. Will be at a minimum a solid soldier. If we get him at our first pick feel good factor alone would be worth it. Sadly eagles and hawks well and truly ahead of us in the line.
 
I can't tell if you're messing with me or not... I'm on the Draper bandwagon.

Scaife might be good too, I dunno, I don't know much about him. Being from WP is a black mark against him though.

Sorry, I thought it was Scaife but did have self doubt after posting it. I should've checked back to your post. I'll leave my vote though following your scandalous remark against the mighty Falcons.

I think both will be good, particularly as Cat B.
 
Is Allen a priority for us? Do we need mids still. Eurasmus and Johnson are going to have to push hard to get a game now JOM has been recruited.

I'd rather a dangerous half forward or a key back now Logue has left and Pearce could become injured throughout the next few seasons.
I’ve resigned myself to the fact we won’t get Allan, Twoomey has his finger on the pulse of what clubs are going to do, so even his “form” guides are more aligned to what clubs are thinking than his own views, the fact Allan is now in his top 30 means he’ll definitely be gone by our first pick. I just hope it’s not with the eagles so he can play the homesick card either next year or the year after.
 
I’ve resigned myself to the fact we won’t get Allan, Twoomey has his finger on the pulse of what clubs are going to do, so even his “form” guides are more aligned to what clubs are thinking than his own views, the fact Allan is now in his top 30 means he’ll definitely be gone by our first pick. I just hope it’s not with the eagles so he can play the homesick card either next year or the year after.

Yes, but not all players play the homesick
 

Jed Hagan could stay in WA as Fremantle looms as suitor in AFL national draft​

Jake Santa MariaGeraldton Guardian
Fri, 28 October 2022 8:00AM


Jed Hagan runs out for the WAFL league debut for East Fremantle


Jed Hagan runs out for the WAFL league debut for East Fremantle Credit: P ELLIOTT

With the AFL draft now just one month away, many are already predicting what the order will look like and for Geraldton fans, Jed Hagan could end up staying in WA.
Reuben Ginbey is the top WA draft prospect and is expected to be snapped up inside the top 10 and possibly as high as pick 6 with reports Gold Coast are keen on the under-18 championships WA MVP.
Hagan was one of the other few bright spots in that tournament for WA which saw his draft stocks greatly improve.
However, Hagan missed the combine earlier in the month because of injury, denying him the opportunity to show his stuff in front of the talent scouts over east.
This has seen him drop into the late second or third-round draft slots, which could see him stay inside his home State with both the Herald Sun and ESPN putting him between picks 30 and 45.
Fremantle don’t enter the draft until pick 30 which they will likely use on the best remaining tall option to cover the loss of Rory Lobb, Griffin Logue and Lloyd Meek.
But Hagan could come in at their next pick at 44 with teams wary of drafting out-of-state prospects given the strong go-home factor over the recent seasons, particularly for Brisbane and GWS who have six picks in the range.
The small utility is highly rated for his speed and reliability with ball in hand with the ability to swing from midfield to the forward half.
 

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