List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[Dan87]

I don't think it's something that the club is pushing for but Paddy did finish the GF playing forward

It's clearly a possibility although not ideal

 

[Millky95]

I don't think it's something that the club is pushing for but Paddy did finish the GF playing forward

It's clearly a possibility although not ideal

I don't think we can take anything from the second half of that game

 

[dosser]

I don't think it's something that the club is pushing for but Paddy did finish the GF playing forward

It's clearly a possibility although not ideal

Probably just to give him a rest

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I don't think we can take anything from the second half of that game

I disagree, I won a bar tab that’s all I’ve got though lol

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Florent not in the leadership group clearly means he’s being traded.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Florent not in the leadership group clearly means he’s being traded.

Or it means nothing. Some players are leaders with titles, others lead on field. Buddy has barely had a leadership title 80% of his career. Fans read way too much into these leadership things

 

[Ticky009]

Florent not in the leadership group clearly means he’s being traded.

Stop trolling. Heeney was in then got voted out - still with us and now he's back in the group.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Stop trolling. Heeney was in then got voted out - still with us and now he's back in the group.

Still don’t get having like 8 in a leadership group yet yeah you are right

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Or it means nothing. Some players are leaders with titles, others lead on field. Buddy has barely had a leadership title 80% of his career. Fans read way too much into these leadership things

Nope, it’s as clear as day.

Florent is being traded. Probably to Geelong for Pick 44 and a future 4th.

Shame, as I kinda liked him as a player.

 

[dosser]

Nope, it’s as clear as day.

Florent is being traded. Probably to Geelong for Pick 44 and a future 4th.

Shame, as I kinda liked him as a player.

Rest your beating little heart, my friend. He has just come out and said Swans fans have nothing to worry about.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Nope, it’s as clear as day.

Florent is being traded. Probably to Geelong for Pick 44 and a future 4th.

Shame, as I kinda liked him as a player.

As long as Logan stays in sweet

 

[momentbymoment]

I don't think we can take anything from the second half of that game

Well we can take out that Horse considers Paddy an option up forward and Paddy has not declared that he will not play forward.

The ideal scenario is for us to trade in a top shelf FF who combines perfectly with Logan and McLean.

But …
If that doesn’t happen, we have other options.

 

[Callipygian]

Paddy could well be a top shelf forward. I guess he has demonstrated it yet but he was picked #1 in the draft as full forward and then his career was blighted by injury. Since then, he has matured, rebuilt his confidence, gotten his body healthy, adjusted to playing at AFL level again, learned the Swans game style etc and not had any more injuries. After another good reason he could be the perfect FF recruit. How amazing would that be?

 

[caesar88]

I think it's less a case of whether Paddy could/should play forward, and more a case of whether we could/should change the back six/seven like that. There's a chemistry that group built over the course of last season that I think would be set back if we took Paddy out of that group and replaced him with someone else. They're already gonna have a few changes to deal with when Rampe and eventually Lloyd retire, but that just makes any unforced changes even more important to avoid.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Stop trolling. Heeney was in then got voted out - still with us and now he's back in the group.

Troll? Moi?

Perish the thought!

 

[momentbymoment]

Paddy could well be a top shelf forward. I guess he has demonstrated it yet but he was picked #1 in the draft as full forward and then his career was blighted by injury. Since then, he has matured, rebuilt his confidence, gotten his body healthy, adjusted to playing at AFL level again, learned the Swans game style etc and not had any more injuries. After another good reason he could be the perfect FF recruit. How amazing would that be?

When you consider where Tom was drafted, that pick is turning out to be genius level.

 

[momentbymoment]

I think it's less a case of whether Paddy could/should play forward, and more a case of whether we could/should change the back six/seven like that. There's a chemistry that group built over the course of last season that I think would be set back if we took Paddy out of that group and replaced him with someone else. They're already gonna have a few changes to deal with when Rampe and eventually Lloyd retire, but that just makes any unforced changes even more important to avoid.

I don’t think anyone is talking seriously about this year. The question is next year - when Buddy and Reid retire and Gould has a breakout year as the next Reg.

 

[caesar88]

I don’t think anyone is talking seriously about this year. The question is next year - when Buddy and Reid retire and Gould has a breakout year as the next Reg.

Would that not be even worse?

So we will give he and his brother and the rest of the defensive group two years to work together and build their chemistry, before switching things up and moving Paddy up forward?

And then Paddy will be 28 and have to adjust to a new position again?

With all due respect I can't say I see the logic in it...

 

[Cadsky]

Florent not in the leadership group clearly means he’s being traded.

I'm ok with this

 

[Bonz]

Paddy could well be a top shelf forward. I guess he has demonstrated it yet but he was picked #1 in the draft as full forward and then his career was blighted by injury. Since then, he has matured, rebuilt his confidence, gotten his body healthy, adjusted to playing at AFL level again, learned the Swans game style etc and not had any more injuries. After another good reason he could be the perfect FF recruit. How amazing would that be?

If this happened one of my St Kilda supporting friends might actually kill me.

 

[SGBeach]

I think it's less a case of whether Paddy could/should play forward, and more a case of whether we could/should change the back six/seven like that. There's a chemistry that group built over the course of last season that I think would be set back if we took Paddy out of that group and replaced him with someone else. They're already gonna have a few changes to deal with when Rampe and eventually Lloyd retire, but that just makes any unforced changes even more important to avoid.

I reckon two x McCartins makes the back 6 slow. Just my opinion and probably unpopular, but what ever.
I think it was Harley (or horse, Gardinar, an assistant coach??? cant remember) that recently said Blakey is earmarked to play as an intercepting defender. Add to that Gould (who's stinging for a game) Francis (who could be anything from a flop to an A-grader) and Edwards (nearly 20yo, and the tallest, heaviest and quickest of the lot) and I reckon theres more room for movement down back.
Our back 6 will change over the next few years.. As you say Rampe and Lloyd will retire. Fox will be 30 by the time of round 1, so his days are numbered too. Our premiership window is open and will stay open (fingers crossed) for another 5ish years so theres plenty of time to adjust to any changes.

should Paddy play up forward? We'll see. Theres plenty of arguments both for and against
Could we lose Paddy from the back 6? Absolutely

 

[Maximumlnsanity]

Well we can take out that Horse considers Paddy an option up forward

You absolutely cannot take into account what Horse did in garbage time position wise. We were so ****ed in the 4th that Horse was just throwing shit at the wall to see if we could force a miracle.

Also Geelong shifted SDK forward just so he could kick a goal. It wouldn't be too far to assume that Horse was doing the same with Paddy

 

[Dubai Quacker]

If this happened one of my St Kilda supporting friends might actually kill me.

You’re friends with ….. St Kilda supporters?

 

[Kiama Chris]

You’re friends with ….. St Kilda supporters?

I resemble that remark. I was one from 1964 until 1997 when I converted. TBH though it was pretty much in name only as I was much more into league until my son played Rules and we met a few of the players including Kelly, Mickey O and young Goodesy. All over.

 

[Bonz]

You’re friends with ….. St Kilda supporters?

Having them around increases my self esteem