List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[Dan87]

Hayward kicked 34

I think he could have a 45 goal season in him

 

[Superstar swan]

Looking at the landscape, it's hard to see any possible key forward targets in the next few years

 

[Maximumlnsanity]

except for the two who did it last year? and Papley would have if he didnt miss so many games

Even if you discount Buddy because he's gone after this year, Heeney and Papley will always have 40ish goal seasons in them as long as their healthy. Also if Logan is gonna be our #1 he'll almost certainly be a 40 goal type too

 

[Bonz]

Looking at the landscape, it's hard to see any possible key forward targets in the next few years

Part of me thinks we may not have to.

We are building a multi pronged attack that's balanced

Heeney
Papley
Hayward
These players are already capable of 40 goal seasons.

McDonald - Should be capable of 40 plus within two seasons.
Amartey/ McLean - Not world beaters, but should have 25-30 goals in them a season.
Konstanty/ Hall-Kahan both showing great signs.

We get a nice mix from the above and goals from Warner/ Gulden we are in good stead and unpredictable.

 

[Superstar swan]

Part of me thinks we may not have to.

We are building a multi pronged attack that's balanced

Heeney
Papley
Hayward
These players are already capable of 40 goal seasons.

McDonald - Should be capable of 40 plus within two seasons.
Amartey/ McLean - Not world beaters, but should have 25-30 goals in them a season.
Konstanty/ Hall-Kahan both showing great signs.

We get a nice mix from the above and goals from Warner/ Gulden we are in good stead and unpredictable.

I dint think we need a superstar but after Reid we will be lacking that tall forward capable of taking big marks and providing the bail out option.

I do agree. I like the make-up of the forward line, its really dynamic and the types compliment each other nicely.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Paddy's ceiling as a KPF is higher than Blakey's and probably Tom's. Talls take years to develop and Paddy now has those years behind him. He's seasoned, he's solid of body (in a way that Blakey really isn't) and, especially by next year, he'll be more experienced and confident than he was while playing in those concussion-blighted years at the Saints.

I also think there's potential for Blakey to move to a different position, including in the forward half in future, but I actually really like him down back - it takes maximum advantage of his sizzling speed and neat field kicking and diminishes the significance of his lack of composure kicking for goal (although I think that will have improved, and will continue to improve, as he gains experience and confidence).

Tom I think really belongs down back - I said I could see him being a KPD long-term from the very day we drafted him (albeit not on this forum). He has never had great goal kicking nous or accuracy and while I can see him making it as a forward I am delighted he is down back. But Paddy really has the tools.
I'm not too worried about unsettling the defence by pulling Paddy out of it. The defence have a strong system and play very much as a team within the team. They are really well adapted to adjusting to different personnel. Even after the loss of Teddy and Reg and Smooch, even after we tumbled down to the lower tiers of the ladder, we have continued to punch above our weight in defence (say, opposition scores per inside 50). Paddy is not the most important part of that - I think Rampe and then Lloyd are much more critical when it comes to organising our defence. Hopefully by the time they're gone Tom will be ready to lead the line, perhaps with Florent and hopefully Gould.

SGBeach, don't agree with you about the McCartins being slow. Tom has excellent pace and endurance for a KPP. I'm not so sure about Paddy but he isn't really slow. Of course neither of them are quick like Blakey but you don't expect (or need) that from a KPD.

After watching Blakey in the VFL game on Friday I'm totally convinced of his value at half back. His reading of the ball in flight, body positioning, closing speed, sure hands (or fist) and fearlessness in defence plus his vision and precise kicking are just about perfect.
Occasionally drifting up to the wing to drive the ball inside 50 will just be the cherry on the cake.
Big year ahead if the impact of the glandular fever isn't too great.

 

[Punts]

except for the two who did it last year? and Papley would have if he didnt miss so many games

Kp I’m talking

And that’s a minimum

McLean amd amerty are not good enough and buddy will is finished by years end

 

[Punts]

McDonald actually needs to get near the pill to kick goals

 

[Bonz]

I dint think we need a superstar but after Reid we will be lacking that tall forward capable of taking big marks and providing the bail out option.

I do agree. I like the make-up of the forward line, its really dynamic and the types compliment each other nicely.

Think that role will be filled by one of Amartey or McLean

McDonald is also hyper mobile so it helps.

 

[BloodySwan]

Our 2 main talls will retire soon (Buddy and Reid). McDonald is slated to cover one but we need a key tall. Doesn't have to be a game breaker, just someone who can regularly contest and kick 1-2 goals

 

[SGBeach]

Looking at the landscape, it's hard to see any possible key forward targets in the next few years

Its pretty clear to me that we will need another KPF next year.
Paddy might be an option. The only decent argument against Ive read is from Uncle Horace when he stated that both player and coach ruled it out. That was said early last season, and as a lot can change, the comment would hold much more weight if said at the end of the season.

With limited internal options, here's a list i made a few weeks ago of players that may be available for trade
Apart from this list, theres always the left field trade which no-one sees coming

(Footywire)

	age: years / months	ht / weight	games played	contract status
Elliot Himmelberg - crows	24 / 7	200 / 98	38	RFA '24 (pre-agent)
Tom Fullaton - Lions	23 / 10	200/92	19	OOC '23
Tom De Koning - blues	23 / 6	203 / 100	41	OOC '23
Jack Silvagni - blues	25 / 1	194 / 91	99	RFA '23
Sam Weideman - bomber	25 / 6	195 / 94	59	OOC '23
Peter Wright - bomber	26 / 4	203 / 100	109	OOC '23
Harry Himmelberg - giants	26 / 8	195 / 95	127	RFA '23
Jake Riccardi - Giants	23 / 2	195 / 93	29	OOC '23

Jacob Koschitzke - Hawks	22 / 6	196 / 96	36	OOC '23
Conor Nash - hawk	24 / 5	197 / 94	50	RFA '24 (pre-agent)
Nick Larkey - north	24 / 7	198 / 95	71	RFA '24 (pre-agent)
Mitch Georgiades - power	21 / 3	192 / 87	47	OOC '23
Todd Marshall - power	24 / 3	198 / 90	76	RFA '24 (pre-agent)
Noah Balta - tiger	23 / 2	194 / 102	62	OOC '23
Tim English - dog	25 / 5	207 / 103	85	RFA '24 (pre-agent)

list is limited to players older than Logan, but still have a few years of footy left.. Eg Harry Himmelberg will be 28yo at start of 2024 season - too old?
Theres always the out-of-the-box trade.. Eg Naughton who is out of contract end of '24 - can we get him??

 

[Punts]

McDonald doesn’t have a role atm

Until one of them demands it , it will be the same kick to Franklin

 

[caesar88]

Well we cant blame Buddy salary anymore what are we gonna blame?

Um all the players on our list who we rate, and who will only get more expensive the more they improve?

 

[Maximumlnsanity]

Its pretty clear to me that we will need another KPF next year.
Paddy might be an option. The only decent argument against Ive read is from Uncle Horace when he stated that both player and coach ruled it out. That was said early last season, and as a lot can change, the comment would hold much more weight if said at the end of the season.

With limited internal options, here's a list i made a few weeks ago of players that may be available for trade
Apart from this list, theres always the left field trade which no-one sees coming

(Footywire)

	age: years / months	ht / weight	games played	contract status
Elliot Himmelberg - crows	24 / 7	200 / 98	38	RFA '24 (pre-agent)
Tom Fullaton - Lions	23 / 10	200/92	19	OOC '23
Tom De Koning - blues	23 / 6	203 / 100	41	OOC '23
Jack Silvagni - blues	25 / 1	194 / 91	99	RFA '23
Sam Weideman - bomber	25 / 6	195 / 94	59	OOC '23
Peter Wright - bomber	26 / 4	203 / 100	109	OOC '23
Harry Himmelberg - giants	26 / 8	195 / 95	127	RFA '23
Jake Riccardi - Giants	23 / 2	195 / 93	29	OOC '23

Jacob Koschitzke - Hawks	22 / 6	196 / 96	36	OOC '23
Conor Nash - hawk	24 / 5	197 / 94	50	RFA '24 (pre-agent)
Nick Larkey - north	24 / 7	198 / 95	71	RFA '24 (pre-agent)
Mitch Georgiades - power	21 / 3	192 / 87	47	OOC '23
Todd Marshall - power	24 / 3	198 / 90	76	RFA '24 (pre-agent)
Noah Balta - tiger	23 / 2	194 / 102	62	OOC '23
Tim English - dog	25 / 5	207 / 103	85	RFA '24 (pre-agent)

list is limited to players older than Logan, but still have a few years of footy left.. Eg Harry Himmelberg will be 28yo at start of 2024 season - too old?
Theres always the out-of-the-box trade.. Eg Naughton who is out of contract end of '24 - can we get him??

As I've said before the only realistic option is Georgiades, everyone else is either not good enough or valued way too highly by their current teams. Taking a punt on Kozi could work too but he wouldn't be walk on 22

 

[Maximumlnsanity]

Um all the players on our list who we rate, and who will only get more expensive the more they improve?

Or Heeney, because people love to unfairly blame him for things

 

[The King!]

Kp I’m talking

And that’s a minimum

McLean amd amerty are not good enough and buddy will is finished by years end

yeah I guess, but if 3-4 guys kick 40-50 who cares if they are big or small

 

[The King!]

Well we cant blame Buddy salary anymore what are we gonna blame?

I blame the Romans

what have they done for us lately

 

[caesar88]

I blame the Romans

what have they done for us lately

Oi

 

[Dan87]

It's the chop out ruck/fwd we need

And we'll budget enough to chase anyone imo

 

[momentbymoment]

I blame the Romans

what have they done for us lately

The roads?

 

[Maximumlnsanity]

It's the chop out ruck/fwd we need

And we'll budget enough to chase anyone imo

Horse has really shown his hand with how much he values that role

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

I blame the Romans

what have they done for us lately

I can’t do everything!

 

[Cadsky]

I can’t do everything!

We don't need you to do everything. Just be better at what you can do

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

We don't need you to do everything. Just be better at what you can do

aye aye, mon ex capitano.

 

[BloodySwan]

Checking players coming out of contract, we're in a real good spot. Best 22, we have 5 coming out but only 1 would be due for a long contract - Stephens. The rest are towards the end of their career and I can't see going anywhere



It also highlights where we need to build from. 1 ruck, 2 key tall forwards and a general defender are all close to retiring.