List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[sataris]

Wasn't this draft supposed to be full of good talls?

Search this forum for 'super draft'

Entertaining reading.

 

[anotherletdown]

Actually...



This draft does have better talls than the last two, maybe since 2018

Last year was going to be the one but it fizzled badly. This year could end up better but we'll know more in a few months

 

[Maximumlnsanity]

Mitchell Edwards is described as a ruck/forward and could be around our range.

I like the idea of trading up the draft and grabbing Archer Reid, if it's possible and we don't trade in someone more established. We've got two first rounders (including our future first) and Hawthorn's 2nd rounder, which is a fair bit of capital to work with. And we don't really need any more high draft picks this year or next. We can be contented for a year or two with the likes of Chad Warner, Caleb Mitchell, Corey Warner, Matt Roberts, Lachie Rankin etc.

I talked to Bangers, Edwards is more ruck than forward which imo is the opposite of what we need. Yes we have an extra second to trade up but let's be real, when do we ever trade up in the first round? The only one I can think of is 2016 when we grabbed Florent

 

[Bloods86]

I talked to Bangers, Edwards is more ruck than forward which imo is the opposite of what we need. Yes we have an extra second to trade up but let's be real, when do we ever trade up in the first round? The only one I can think of is 2016 when we grabbed Florent

If we have faith in McAndrew, and see Owen as likely, by the end of 2023, and see a spot guaranteed for say Amartey in 2024 beyond (as a KPF/backup ruck), then sure, KPF is probably more of a need.

Looking at 2024 and beyond, assuming we don't lose or cut Amartey or McLean:

KPFs - Logan, Amartey, McLean, then crickets. I think we could roll with 2 + Heeney/Hayward if we needed to, or if Gould, plus one of Edwards or Francis comes good, then you could roll a McCartin up forward. We've invested a bit into medium forwards such as HHK and Magor (also a mid), obviously early days.

Ruck - Ladhams, then we've got any backup potential from the KPFs, or McAndrew and Owen, who are still project players (even in McAndrew's case). Will Edwards is supposed to be more of a defender, but might be a solid backup. Still, you'd want someone who can ruck a season competitively if Ladhams went down (and we're not even sure if he's at that stage himself).

Ideally I'd like to see us get one of each at the end of 2023. Because I think it's highly unlikely that all the fringe or project types are going to make it. Also wouldn't surprise me if one or more of Amartey, McLean or Gould, leave us this year.

But I'd still say our ruck stocks are looking thinner.

 

[Maximumlnsanity]

If we have faith in McAndrew, and see Owen as likely, by the end of 2023, and see a spot guaranteed for say Amartey in 2024 beyond (as a KPF/backup ruck), then sure, KPF is probably more of a need.

Looking at 2024 and beyond, assuming we don't lose or cut Amartey or McLean:

KPFs - Logan, Amartey, McLean, then crickets. I think we could roll with 2 + Heeney/Hayward if we needed to, or if Gould, plus one of Edwards or Francis comes good, then you could roll a McCartin up forward. We've invested a bit into medium forwards such as HHK and Magor, obviously early days.

Ruck - Ladhams, then we've got any backup potential from the KPFs, or McAndrew and Owen, who are still project players (even in McAndrew's case).

Ideally I'd like to see us get one of each at the end of 2023. Because I think it's highly unlikely that all the fringe or project types are going to make it.

But I'd still say our ruck stocks are looking thinner.

Honestly I think talking about our ruck stocks is pointless until we see how Ladhams goes in 2023. If he has another bad year we need to be looking for a new #1 in the offseason. If he does great we can basically leave our ruck situation untouched. Yes it'd make us thin in that department but what's the point of having three young rucks developing in the VFL, none of them would get enough time in the role. We've got a super tall bloke on our VFL list, that'll work for cover instead of a 4th AFL ruck next year.

KPF though, yeah it's rough. At the end of the year Buddy's gone, Reid's likely gone, and imo Amartey's likely gone. Hopefully Horse puts his desire for a true 2nd ruck behind him and lets Kinnear draft a pure KPF

 

[Bloods86]

Honestly I think talking about our ruck stocks is pointless until we see how Ladhams goes in 2023. If he has another bad year we need to be looking for a new #1 in the offseason. If he does great we can basically leave our ruck situation untouched. Yes it'd make us thin in that department but what's the point of having three young rucks developing in the VFL, none of them would get enough time in the role. We've got a super tall bloke on our VFL list, that'll work for cover instead of a 4th AFL ruck next year.

KPF though, yeah it's rough. At the end of the year Buddy's gone, Reid's likely gone, and imo Amartey's likely gone. Hopefully Horse puts his desire for a true 2nd ruck behind him and lets Kinnear draft a pure KPF

I don't see Horse desiring a true 2nd ruck (at least to play 2 at once?). I think it's more having a good 1st (assuming Ladhams), a solid backup or two at VFL level (we'll see if McAndrew or Owen can get there), and a KPF or two (Amartey, McLean), who can be the backup at senior level to our 1st ruck.

I'm all for waiting the season out, though both positions should be an area of focus for scouting. Obviously if the stars align - Ladhams proves himself as a decent no.1, can play most games, McAndrew continues progressing and starts showing he's too good for VFL, Owen develops, Edwards can pinch hit, then yeah we're solid there. But there's a lot of ifs.

 

[Ticky009]

Himmelbergs family have all moved to SA. Was hopeful of getting him to cross town but Crows will make a big play and have the cap to spare.

 

[Superstar swan]

Landing a key forward is going to be super challenging looking at the landscape

 

[LukeParkerno1]

This is me already thinking about interactions I'll have with a few posters during the 2023 draft period.

Hahahahaha looking forward to it mate!

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Landing a key forward is going to be super challenging looking at the landscape

To a degree yes and it's why we spent a top pick on Logan

 

[Bloods86]

To a degree yes and it's why we spent a top pick on Logan

I'm pretty sure we didn't expect him to be available, but will take it obviously.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I'm pretty sure we didn't expect him to be available, but will take it obviously.

Would have taken either of the talls there I'm glad it wasn't the second option. However you are correct North were heavily linked to Logan

 

[Nuggetz]

Landing a key forward is going to be super challenging looking at the landscape

We don't need one. We just need someone who can clunk contested marks. We need forwards who can kick multiple goals each game, we have that already imo. I hope Logan can take a leap this season to become one too.

 

[caesar88]

Darcy Parish

3

Darcy Parish

Age

27

Ht

180cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.4

5star

K

9.2

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

3.3

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.0

3star

CL

3.1

4star

D

22.2

5star

K

7.6

3star

HB

14.6

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

has put contract talks off til later in the year. Geelong Falcons boy. You know how this goes.

But I have to say this is one I'd most certainly be OK with Geelong picking up. Overrated IMO.

 

[BloodySwan]

Darcy Parish has put contract talks off til later in the year. Geelong Falcons boy. You know how this goes.

But I have to say this is one I'd most certainly be OK with Geelong picking up. Overrated IMO.

He got moved into midfield last year and started to really show what he could do. I feel like he sufferred the same as Mills. Midfield gets moved to defence, does a real good job there so they don't want to move him.

He is a very good midfielder. Watch this yr, I wont be surprised if he pushed for AA.

 

[caesar88]

He got moved into midfield last year and started to really show what he could do. I feel like he sufferred the same as Mills. Midfield gets moved to defence, does a real good job there so they don't want to move him.

He is a very good midfielder. Watch this yr, I wont be surprised if he pushed for AA.

He was All Australian in 2021. I wasn't sold on him then, either.

I don't have a lot of time for accumulating types, and especially in our team with our game-plan.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

He got moved into midfield last year and started to really show what he could do. I feel like he sufferred the same as Mills. Midfield gets moved to defence, does a real good job there so they don't want to move him.

He is a very good midfielder. Watch this yr, I wont be surprised if he pushed for AA.

Be doing well to be AA in a bottom 2 side as a midfielder

 

[Shaq_01]

Wasn't this draft supposed to be full of good talls?

It’s a very good early top 20

From 20 to 30 their is probably another 4 5 potential talls that could easily climb into the teens

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It’s a very good early top 20

From 20 to 30 their is probably another 4 5 potential talls that could easily climb into the teens

Yeah and all things being equal we have two picks inside 26 or so (wherever Hawks finish is the second one part of the trade last year).

 

[BloodySwan]

A lot of noise in the offseason that we didn't improve our list unlike Brisbane who traded in some talent.

I know it's only been 1 round but that conversation has probably been put to bed already? We only traded Francis in but already looks like our list has improved since last year

 

[Callipygian]

A lot of noise in the offseason that we didn't improve our list unlike Brisbane who traded in some talent.

I know it's only been 1 round but that conversation has probably been put to bed already? We only traded Francis in but already looks like our list has improved since last year

Yes! Exactly my thoughts. So ****ing tired of people thinking the only way you can improve your list is through trade. Apparently it isn't "sexy", but growing from within shows great confidence in both our list and our coaching.

Someone else made the additional point that it's not just that our youth improve and so bringing in a different player isn't necessarily preferable, but also we're building their experience playing together as a team, which is disrupted when you have a lot of list changes. I know the club is very big on not just wanting to get games into the young players but also for them to get games playing TOGETHER.

 

[BloodySwan]

Yes! Exactly my thoughts. So ******* tired of people thinking the only way you can improve your list is through trade. Apparently it isn't "sexy", but growing from within shows great confidence in both our list and our coaching.

Someone else made the additional point that it's not just that our youth improve and so bringing in a different player isn't necessarily preferable, but also we're building their experience playing together as a team, which is disrupted when you have a lot of list changes. I know the club is very big on not just wanting to get games into the young players but also for them to get games playing TOGETHER.

I look at our list and the only position I think we need is a key forward to support McDonald long term.

I would like it if our clearances were better but I have confidence in our midfield group there. Not much we could do which would actually improve our list

 

[momentbymoment]

A lot of noise in the offseason that we didn't improve our list unlike Brisbane who traded in some talent.

I know it's only been 1 round but that conversation has probably been put to bed already? We only traded Francis in but already looks like our list has improved since last year

First loss and all that noise comes back again.
I would punt on it …

 

[Callipygian]

First loss and all that noise comes back again.
I would punt on it …

True. And so annoying! People are so fickle.

 

[BloodySwan]

First loss and all that noise comes back again.
I would punt on it …

Problem solved, we just can't lose for the rest of the season