List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[Millky95]

A lot of noise in the offseason that we didn't improve our list unlike Brisbane who traded in some talent.

I know it's only been 1 round but that conversation has probably been put to bed already? We only traded Francis in but already looks like our list has improved since last year

It was always a question of "will our natural development be better than new talent we could get?" and yes it is only round 1 but that seems to be a yes. Hopefully it stays that way

 

[momentbymoment]

It was always a question of "will our natural development be better than new talent we could get?" and yes it is only round 1 but that seems to be a yes. Hopefully it stays that way

I think it’s also a question of whether the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. The players seem to have bought into the system and are working for each other. Trade in a few flashy players on big contracts and that team spirit is potentially broken.

 

[Kiama Chris]

I think it’s also a question of whether the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. The players seem to have bought into the system and are working for each other. Trade in a few flashy players on big contracts and that team spirit is potentially broken.

I think trading in players that fit is no problem but it requires care and diligence. I was really concerned about Bud but that worked out OK. We dealt with BBBH. And of course with 18 year olds things can go pear-shaped.
Your comment about the whole being greater than the sum of the parts is critical. Not just the players either.

 

[Nuggetz]

Darcy Parish has put contract talks off til later in the year. Geelong Falcons boy. You know how this goes.

But I have to say this is one I'd most certainly be OK with Geelong picking up. Overrated IMO.

Hard to judge in such a shit team. If I was Geelong, I'd be taking a punt on him for sure.

 

[Ticky009]

Herald Sun Trade News:

SYDNEY

ATTACK MODE

The Swans will finally be able to consider acquisition rather than retention this year given an improved cap picture.

Of their top 10, the seventh-ranked player Dane Rampe

24

Dane Rampe

Age

34

Ht

187cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.0

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

2.5

4star

MG

358.8

5star

D

14.1

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

5.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

284.5

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.4

4star

(8, “Sydney’s general”) and eighth-ranked Lance Franklin (eight) are both out of contract.

But they are still very well paid while Tom Hickey

31

Tom Hickey

Age

33

Ht

202cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

6.9

4star

CL

2.8

4star

HO

19.1

5star

D

4.0

1star

K

1.5

1star

HB

2.5

2star

CL

1.0

3star

HO

7.0

5star

D

11.2

3star

K

4.2

2star

HB

7.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

HO

8.6

5star

(6.5) has just turned 32.

So it is no surprise that the Swans are prepared to have a huge crack at Tom De Koning

12

Tom De Koning

Age

25

Ht

201cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

2star

HO

1.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

1.5

5star

with speculation of an eight-year deal being offered.

They have signed up so many of their youngsters and midfield stars that a succession plan for their key position players can now take place.

They were keen on Griffin Logue

19

Griffin Logue

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.0

3star

MG

115.4

2star

D

9.8

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.0

2star

MG

115.4

2star

D

9.8

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.0

3star

MG

115.4

2star

last year but missed out to North Melbourne, so watch this space as they try to improve their ruck and key position stocks at both ends.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/wreck-it-ralph-how-many-of-your-clubs-top-10-players-are-out-of-contract-in-2023/news-story/c2be625372328f198f7b572664d9c84d

 

[caesar88]

Herald Sun Trade News:

SYDNEY

ATTACK MODE

The Swans will finally be able to consider acquisition rather than retention this year given an improved cap picture.

Of their top 10, the seventh-ranked player Dane Rampe (8, “Sydney’s general”) and eighth-ranked Lance Franklin (eight) are both out of contract.

But they are still very well paid while Tom Hickey (6.5) has just turned 32.

So it is no surprise that the Swans are prepared to have a huge crack at Tom De Koning with speculation of an eight-year deal being offered.

They have signed up so many of their youngsters and midfield stars that a succession plan for their key position players can now take place.

They were keen on Griffin Logue last year but missed out to North Melbourne, so watch this space as they try to improve their ruck and key position stocks at both ends.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/wreck-it-ralph-how-many-of-your-clubs-top-10-players-are-out-of-contract-in-2023/news-story/c2be625372328f198f7b572664d9c84d

LOL literally my first thought when I saw that Herald Sun had decided to rate every player in the league by some arbitrary system* was "You watch them refer to these ratings in every single article from now on in the future like they're gospel."

From now on, Dane Rampe isn't just Dane Rampe. He's Dane Rampe (8) and Tom Hickey isn't just Tom Hickey, he's Tom Hickey (6.5). And poor Justin McInerney can only be known as Justin McInerney (5.5) for the rest of his career now.

*a rubbish and massively incorrect system.

 

[Kapers]

LOL literally my first thought when I saw that Herald Sun had decided to rate every player in the league by some arbitrary system* was "You watch them refer to these ratings in every single article from now on in the future like they're gospel."

From now on, Dane Rampe isn't just Dane Rampe. He's Dane Rampe (8) and Tom Hickey isn't just Tom Hickey, he's Tom Hickey (6.5). And poor Justin McInerney can only be known as Justin McInerney (5.5) for the rest of his career now.

*a rubbish and massively incorrect system.

I don't know why your so cut up about rating people randomly, Caesar88 (3), is it because your upset by your board rating? I don't see Punts (7.1353859501) or Bedford (5apX*2tyR) complaining.

 

[rustycrate]

I don't know why your so cut up about rating people randomly, Caesar88 (3), is it because your upset by your board rating? I don't see Punts (7.1353859501) or Bedford (5apX*2tyR) complaining.

Bedford always complains about everything American and Saintly and off topic, and off topic, Caesar88 complains about anything he has not posted yet, until he does, and Punts needs to be more positive about anything.
I rate them all top 3 (so that I don't get on their bad side)........

 

[Slingshot Footy]

Bedford always complains about everything American and Saintly and off topic, and off topic, Caesar88 complains about anything he has not posted yet, until he does, and Punts needs to be more positive about anything.
I rate them all top 3 (so that I don't get on their bad side)........

Rusty with your quantitative data skills you’re certainly underselling yourself here.

On a separate note, if we're splashing the cash then there is no one I would want more than Himmelberg, however, slim that appears.

Larkey would be my second choice but he seems rather loyal to North sadly.

For some reason I get a bad feeling about signing TDK but perhaps that's just the PTSD from the whole Tippett debacle.

 

[Bloods86]

I don't know why your so cut up about rating people randomly, Caesar88 (3), is it because your upset by your board rating? I don't see Punts (7.1353859501) or Bedford (5apX*2tyR) complaining.

I think you'll find it's Caesar88 (2.9)

 

[Ticky009]

Upcoming draft F/S & brothers etc - mentions Isaac Barry briefly

Son of GF hero, Hawks duo, brothers galore: 2023's draft family ties

Cal Twomey looks at the famous names eligible for the 2023 NAB AFL Draft class

www.afl.com.au

Hawks have F/sons coming out of their ears this draft.

 

[Arrr]

Upcoming draft F/S & brothers etc - mentions Isaac Barry briefly

Son of GF hero, Hawks duo, brothers galore: 2023's draft family ties

Cal Twomey looks at the famous names eligible for the 2023 NAB AFL Draft class

www.afl.com.au

Hawks have F/sons coming out of their ears this draft.

Interesting considering they traded out their second round pick for this year. You would think that with all those f/s picks they would've been keen to keep all of this season's picks.

 

[BloodySwan]

Interesting considering they traded out their second round pick for this year. You would think that with all those f/s picks they would've been keen to keep all of this season's picks.

Hawks do have a second and third round pick, but it felt like a real odd trade either way

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Interesting considering they traded out their second round pick for this year. You would think that with all those f/s picks they would've been keen to keep all of this season's picks.

Bid is likely all thing being equal to come between their first and second so that pick would have been useless. They do have a second rounder to match with (think it may be Port's or something)

 

[rustycrate]

Rusty with your quantitative data skills you’re certainly underselling yourself here.

On a separate note, if we're splashing the cash then there is no one I would want more than Himmelberg, however, slim that appears.

Larkey would be my second choice but he seems rather loyal to North sadly.

For some reason I get a bad feeling about signing TDK but perhaps that's just the PTSD from the whole Tippett debacle.

I'd like Himmelberg. But I get the vibe that he likes where he is. Just vibe.
I don't reckon we go for TDK just because everyone seems to know about it. I also think we have ruck pretty much covered with Ladhams, Stretch, Edwards, so no need for a tall that can pinch hit in the ruck in that regard. Plus we have Amartey and McLean that can pinch hit.
That leaves FF position.
We have Reid and Buddy expiring and McDonald the "rising star". McLean and Amartey as potential partners. They are not superstars but they are servicable. Ideally we had another McDonald or Himmelberg but they don't grow on trees. This year is not a problem.
I think because we are "in the window for a premiership" there is a sense of urgency to get another gun tall. And we apparently have the cap space to do it according to others.
The alternative, if we cannot land an experienced tall, is to maybe move Parker forward to combine with Heeney and Haywood. We will have McDonald taking the number one defender and Papley and another small crumbing(Sheldrick/Konstanty). Though with Parker forward Sheldrick might be in the mids if he is signed again this year. Another benefit of moving Parker forward is that there are limited midfield position available to fringe players. Players like Sheldrick may decide to move if there are few opportunities to play first grade footy. It is what it is.
Options for next year to "fix" tall forward issue(if there is one)

1. Get a Himmelberg/TDK
2. rearrange our forwards like moving Parker forward and having a more mobile forward line
3. or just draft one(we have additional picks this year to package up and move up the order) and keep doing what we do
4. Do points 2 and 3.

I really don't know what the Swans recruiters are thinking. I trust them to make the right decision, even if it might take them to plan C, because plan A and B did not eventuate. It is difficult to get a lot of players to move to Sydney as part of a trade.

 

[Membling]

I cannot remember one time when it was so well known who we were going after in the trade period.

So on that note, calling BS on this one

 

[dosser]

I cannot remember one time when it was so well known who we were going after in the trade period.

So on that note, calling BS on this one

Pretty sure the whole AFL world knew halfway through the season that we had our hooks well and truly into Francis

 

[Maximumlnsanity]

I cannot remember one time when it was so well known who we were going after in the trade period.

So on that note, calling BS on this one

Joe Daniher lol

 

[Bloods86]

One thing is for sure, if I was forced to choose between the perennial favourites of Dusty, De Goey, and TDK, for the same money, I'll have TDK thanks.

 

[Maximumlnsanity]

One thing is for sure, if I was forced to choose between the perennial favourites of Dusty, De Goey, and TDK, for the same money, I'll have TDK thanks.

I hate Jordan De Goey and think he's overrated, but he's proven to be a far better player than TDK so far

 

[Dubai Quacker]

We were VERY interested in DGB in his draft year (but Logan fell into our lap).

He’s contracted to 2024, but Hawthorn has parked him in the VFL.

A promising young key defender that we liked and has mates at the club….

And there’s no rumours doing the rounds ….

Must mean he’s coming.

 

[Millky95]

We were VERY interested in DGB in his draft year (but Logan fell into our lap).

He’s contracted to 2024, but Hawthorn has parked him in the VFL.

A promising young key defender that we liked and has mates at the club….

And there’s no rumours doing the rounds ….

Must mean he’s coming.

We are getting a King

 

[Shaq_01]

We are getting a King

Yep I reckon we are into King

He might come cheaper now with another Injury

 

[Dan87]

Amartey and McLean are ideally depth players/ fighting for one spot.

An out and out upgrade of their type would be ace

 

[Arrr]

I'd like Himmelberg. But I get the vibe that he likes where he is. Just vibe.
I don't reckon we go for TDK just because everyone seems to know about it. I also think we have ruck pretty much covered with Ladhams, Stretch, Edwards, so no need for a tall that can pinch hit in the ruck in that regard. Plus we have Amartey and McLean that can pinch hit.
That leaves FF position.
We have Reid and Buddy expiring and McDonald the "rising star". McLean and Amartey as potential partners. They are not superstars but they are servicable. Ideally we had another McDonald or Himmelberg but they don't grow on trees. This year is not a problem.
I think because we are "in the window for a premiership" there is a sense of urgency to get another gun tall. And we apparently have the cap space to do it according to others.
The alternative, if we cannot land an experienced tall, is to maybe move Parker forward to combine with Heeney and Haywood. We will have McDonald taking the number one defender and Papley and another small crumbing(Sheldrick/Konstanty). Though with Parker forward Sheldrick might be in the mids if he is signed again this year. Another benefit of moving Parker forward is that there are limited midfield position available to fringe players. Players like Sheldrick may decide to move if there are few opportunities to play first grade footy. It is what it is.
Options for next year to "fix" tall forward issue(if there is one)

1. Get a Himmelberg/TDK
2. rearrange our forwards like moving Parker forward and having a more mobile forward line
3. or just draft one(we have additional picks this year to package up and move up the order) and keep doing what we do
4. Do points 2 and 3.

I really don't know what the Swans recruiters are thinking. I trust them to make the right decision, even if it might take them to plan C, because plan A and B did not eventuate. It is difficult to get a lot of players to move to Sydney as part of a trade.

I do wonder why we have been so reluctant to go with that sort of a set up with Parker, Hayward, and Heeney all great overhead and good vertical leaps they play as if they are a tall but with more ground ball pressure.

With all the great ball users we have in this side looking to deliver inside 50 surely they can kick to advantage of a smaller player.

With the speed the game is played at now maybe having one tall at home and 3 medium options might be the way to go. Could always go for 3 mediums, Papley, McDonald, and McClean.