List Mgmt. 2023 Draft & Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Key Dates:

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Draft Period, November 20–22

• Round 1 of the National Draft: Monday, November 20, time and venue TBA
• Trade Period (3), picks only: Tuesday, November 21, 5.45pm–6.30pm
• Round 2–end of the National Draft: Tuesday, November 21, 7pm until completion
• Rookie Promotions: Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• Delisted Free Agency Period (3): Tuesday, November 21, after the National Draft
• List Lodgement 3*: Wednesday, November 22, 10am (optional; required for those participating in the PSD)
• Pre-Season Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3pm
• Rookie Draft: Wednesday, November 22, 3.20pm
• Final List Lodgement*: Thursday, November 23, 4pm

* List lodgement dates are yet to be made public, so are approximate based on past history and the requirements of the AFL Rules. When lists are lodged, the number of players on the list must not exceed maximum list sizes. At the same time, clubs must provide the AFL with estimates of total player payments in the current and following year, which must prove the club is not and will not exceed the salary cap. (AFL Rules 5.3, 6.1, 6.8, 7.2, 7.9)

 

[Tedeski]

Glass half full stuff.

Both 31 next year.
Both missing important game time at this stage of their careers.
Both a year older than at their old club where they finished unable to play senior footy.

Sure, they'll play senior footy, but don't get your hopes up that they'll be in good nick until the end of 2025, not to mention Adams with a further year on his contract.
Grundy & Jordan are great pick ups but Adams from Collingwood stinks of Scott Russell the sequel.
There is a reason the Pies moved him out of the middle.
They won the flag. That's the bench mark.

 

[bedford]

Both 31 next year.
Both missing important game time at this stage of their careers.
Both a year older than at their old club where they finished unable to play senior footy.

Sure, they'll play senior footy, but don't get your hopes up that they'll be in good nick until the end of 2025, not to mention Adams with a further year on his contract.
Grundy & Jordan are great pick ups but Adams from Collingwood stinks of Scott Russell the sequel.
There is a reason the Pies moved him out of the middle.
They won the flag. That's the bench mark.

Scott Russell what a dud

 

[Tedeski]

Scott Russell what a dud

Remember that one?
This one scares me. Smells of desperation from Horse trying to have one last crack.

 

[bedford]

Remember that one?
This one scares me. Smells of desperation from Horse trying to have one last crack.

That's what i've been thinking all along

 

[Cadsky]

some people will never be happy.

 

[bedford]

some people will never be happy.

If you're referring to the previous posts where does anyone say they're not happy . Would love nothing more than a flag under Horse !

 

[Tesla Tenet]

Scott Russell what a dud

Nick Daffy
Brett Allison
Paul Chambers
Henry Playfair
Andrew Bomford

Didn't really do much for us.

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[RUNVS]

Kane and Garry on SEN had a massive conversation about the trade period, talking about every team and what they did at the trade table. Essendon seemed to get around 3 or 4 minutes discussion, Sydney, well we got 30 seconds all up.

 

[Cadsky]

Kane and Garry on SEN had a massive conversation about the trade period, talking about every team and what they did at the trade table. Essendon seemed to get around 3 or 4 minutes discussion, Sydney, well we got 30 seconds all up.

Standard

 

[RUNVS]

Standard

Understandable really. I mean it isn't like we did anything in the trade period. Didn't bring in any important players that I can think of.

 

[Tedeski]

some people will never be happy.

I’m actually happy with Grundy & Jordan.

 

[dosser]

Kane and Garry on SEN had a massive conversation about the trade period, talking about every team and what they did at the trade table. Essendon seemed to get around 3 or 4 minutes discussion, Sydney, well we got 30 seconds all up.

Winners will always get the most airtime.

 

[caesar88]

I find the concept of winners & losers of a trade period to be so bizarre. I think you can do well to get the players you want, get the deals done efficiently etc. (as we did), but at the end of the day all any club has done is add names to their list. If that was all it took to be a winner, then we wouldn't even bother playing games each week, we'd just award the four points to whoever names the best 22 on paper at selection.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

I find the concept of winners & losers of a trade period to be so bizarre. I think you can do well to get the players you want, get the deals done efficiently etc. (as we did), but at the end of the day all any club has done is add names to their list. If that was all it took to be a winner, then we wouldn't even bother playing games each week, we'd just award the four points to whoever names the best 22 on paper at selection.

Talk to any Freo supporter at the moment - and they’re angry. They certainly feel like losers.

It’s interesting to hear West Australians bemoaning the “go home” factor.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I find the concept of winners & losers of a trade period to be so bizarre. I think you can do well to get the players you want, get the deals done efficiently etc. (as we did), but at the end of the day all any club has done is add names to their list. If that was all it took to be a winner, then we wouldn't even bother playing games each week, we'd just award the four points to whoever names the best 22 on paper at selection.

Purely and simply it's just to sell papers and get clicks in the AFL off season. We won't know how good the moves are till next season and beyond.

 

[ShireSwan]

Talk to any Freo supporter at the moment - and they’re angry. They certainly feel like losers.

Well, they ARE losers. So...

 

[Andyjh]

So given Cleary will chew up our later picks are we better off trading 12 for 2 picks in the late teens low 20’s or just take best Available with 12?

 

[caesar88]

Talk to any Freo supporter at the moment - and they’re angry. They certainly feel like losers.

It’s interesting to hear West Australians bemoaning the “go home” factor.

I won't be shedding any tears for them DQ. As you would know better than most, Freo are one of the many clubs that have a distinct advantage over the Northern clubs when it comes to the draft. In the last two drafts alone, there have been a combined 15 West Australians taken in the first two rounds. By comparison, there has been 1 from NSW & Queensland combined.

That's before you get to their advantage in the trade period, where their own go-home factor has helped them land Luke Jackson, Jaeger O'Meara, Brad Hill, Jesse Hogan and a number of others.

As for their losses, in recent times Hill, Hogan, Liam Henry, Blake Acres, Griffin Logue and Rory Lobb have all requested trades out of Freo. They're all West Australians.

There's something rotten going on within the four walls of that club and feeling sorry for themselves over how really-not-very-hard they have it won't turn things around for them.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

So given Cleary will chew up our later picks are we better off trading 12 for 2 picks in the late teens low 20’s or just take best Available with 12?

I'm split on it. Bare in mind though if there is a deficit and you don't have enough points you only cop a penalty in that round, so lets say Cleary is bid at 35 (that seems about right) and we don't have the points, it will just come off our second round pick next year, bare in mind the North PP we have is NOT a second rounder it's a mid round pick.

Personally I would like to trade down with North, would they go 12 for 17 and 18 with maybe a late future going back to North.

That's option 1, option 2 is trade up but I don't love it as the players at a realistic range aren't worth it personally (I know many on here love a couple of defenders there but I don't love them personally)

Option 3 is take pick 12 (which will be 13 at least)

 

[ShireSwan]

I'm split on it. Bare in mind though if there is a deficit and you don't have enough points you only cop a penalty in that round, so lets say Cleary is bid at 35 (that seems about right) and we don't have the points, it will just come off our second round pick next year, bare in mind the North PP we have is NOT a second rounder it's a mid round pick.

Personally I would like to trade down with North, would they go 12 for 17 and 18 with maybe a late future going back to North.

That's option 1, option 2 is trade up but I don't love it as the players at a realistic range aren't worth it personally (I know many on here love a couple of defenders there but I don't love them personally)

Option 3 is take pick 12 (which will be 13 at least)

Keep 12 and Cleary and we get to keep Reid - who I think if fit could be the difference between winning and not winning a flag this season. Unlike a potential pick 19 who probably never plays a game for us at senior level.

 

[Dubsforsam1]

I'm split on it. Bare in mind though if there is a deficit and you don't have enough points you only cop a penalty in that round, so lets say Cleary is bid at 35 (that seems about right) and we don't have the points, it will just come off our second round pick next year, bare in mind the North PP we have is NOT a second rounder it's a mid round pick.

Personally I would like to trade down with North, would they go 12 for 17 and 18 with maybe a late future going back to North.

That's option 1, option 2 is trade up but I don't love it as the players at a realistic range aren't worth it personally (I know many on here love a couple of defenders there but I don't love them personally)

Option 3 is take pick 12 (which will be 13 at least)

Or trade our first round pick this year and North's Future First to trade up with someone?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Or trade our first round pick this year and North's Future First to trade up with someone?

I wouldn't and I doubt that gets you as far up the order as you think. It will cost way more to get the GWS pick. What is the point? Rather trade down get two before Cleary.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Keep 12 and Cleary and we get to keep Reid - who I think if fit could be the difference between winning and not winning a flag this season. Unlike a potential pick 19 who probably never plays a game for us at senior level.

I'm happy enough to keep 12. My preference is trading down but only a few spots, north at 17/18 seem okay and still in that area we could prize two late firsts. Alternatively take 12 to the draft and I'm actually fine with that, either one. If we don't think our target at 12 is there at 17 take the pick at 12.

Reid meh not relying on him at all.

 

[Cadsky]

Keep 12. Take best available and Cleary. Keep reid as depth.

 

[mtooler]

I reckon we rookie a ruck, either Cat A or B. Not draft.
We generally don't draft KPD.

There's some good ones this time though early in the draft.