Preview 2023 Elimination Final - Carlton vs Sydney Friday 8th Sept 7.50PM @ MCG

[Aphrodite]

Team is in …


IN: Patrick Cripps

9

Patrick Cripps

Age

29

Ht

195cm

Wt

93kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.9

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

16.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.8

5star

CL

7.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.9

5star

M

2.5

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

6.3

5star

D

12.6

4star

K

4.8

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.4

4star

, Sam Docherty

15

Sam Docherty

Age

31

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.3

5star

K

15.1

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.1

3star

D

22.6

5star

K

16.0

5star

HB

6.6

4star

M

7.0

5star

T

0.6

1star

CL

0.4

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.6

3star

, Marc Pittonet

27

Marc Pittonet

Age

28

Ht

202cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.7

2star

K

2.9

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

3.1

5star

HO

22.3

5star

D

8.6

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

CL

3.7

5star

HO

25.9

5star

D

5.8

2star

K

1.2

1star

HB

4.6

4star

CL

2.4

5star

HO

16.6

5star

OUT: Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

, Corey Durdin, Zac Fisher

16

Zac Fisher

Age

26

Ht

175cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.0

5star

MG

384.0

5star

D

17.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

384.0

5star

D

12.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

3.0

5star

, Ollie Hollands

After starting the last game as sub, Caleb Marchbank has been elevated into the starting 22.

AFL team news: Who's in for the elimination final?

Some big Blues are back for the clash with Sydney.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Backs:	Brodie Kemp	Jacob Weitering	Nic Newman
Half-backs:	Alex Cincotta	Mitch McGovern	Adam Saad
Centreline:	Blake Acres	Patrick Cripps	Sam Docherty
Half-forwards:	Jack Martin	Harry McKay	David Cuningham
Forwards:	Lachie Fogarty	Charlie Curnow	Matthew Owies
Followers:	Marc Pittonet	Adam Cerra	Sam Walsh
Interchange:	Matthew Cottrell	Tom De Koning	George Hewett
	Caleb Marchbank
Emergencies:	Paddy Dow	Zac Fisher	Ollie Hollands
	Jesse Motlop

 

[Benaly28]

Most people have very similar changes;
Cunners
Marchbank
Durdin
Fish
Cincotta
Fogarty
Hollands

All mentioned.

Not sure who of the above stays in.


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[bigblueboy]

Sydney won a flag with the slowest midfield ever assembled - Hawthorn won three. If you can smash the opposiiton at the contest - you can win. There is enough class in Charlie and Harry and Martin - to work with. I think we are a KPD and a HFF short of easy top4 finishes for 2-3 years. Then again my bias is big is better - I have never packed into a scrum with runts.

Voss will favour contested players and structures even more so in finals.
It’s our best trait and we’ve had the chance in the past three-four weeks to explore who will thrive best in that environment.

 

[DirtyLeeds]

Wow !! Wholesale dumpings of the very players who got us here anyway! No way known the likes of Cincotta, Fogarty, Hollands or even Cunners on last night's form get dropped. Sooooo Old Carlton people! We've gone past this trip, the Big Names win games s@#$ show

 

[JustaBattler]

yep - hopefully all the players he trusts are available.

 

[rp84]

They're also 0-3 at the MCG this year

And 0-1 late September 2022....

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

How many goals has Fogarty kicked this season and just out of interest, when was his last goal ?
I understand he brings pressure but in finals, that’s got to be a given for everyone.
Fogarty’s kicking is a real issue and reckon you’ve got to bring more to the table than just pressure.
Durdin is quicker and more dynamic, should’ve finished with 2 goals yesterday … he offers more than Fogarty imo …

Voss - defence first. Fogarty is miles ahead in positioning and pressure. Durdin is 'manic' in activity but that doesn't translate into structured press. He's a bit all over the place and isn't strong enough to stick tackles. Voss will definitely favour experience and team first defensive structures.

 

[Aphrodite]

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B. E. L. I. E. V. E.

 

[Red Bull]

Voss - defence first. Fogarty is miles ahead in positioning and pressure. Durdin is 'manic' in activity but that doesn't translate into structured press. He's a bit all over the place and isn't strong enough to stick tackles. Voss will definitely favour experience and team first defensive structures.

The best pressure in the world is scoreboard pressure.
Owies has added 10m to his kicking range and it’s made him far more dangerous.
Fogarty doesn’t score which must always be part of a forwards arsenal in punishing the opposition and rewarding the work of teammates further afield.
At the other end, feel Boyd’s game is far more suitable to September than Fisher’s.
Barring Williams and Silvagni, we’re likely to have a full list to choose from which will be very interesting …

 

[bigblueboy]

Wow !! Wholesale dumpings of the very players who got us here anyway! No way known the likes of Cincotta, Fogarty, Hollands or even Cunners on last night's form get dropped. Sooooo Old Carlton people! We've gone past this trip, the Big Names win games s@#$ show

Genuinely interested in who you think will make way for likely inclusions Cripps, Docherty and Motlop?

 

[Davey33]

I agree that Fisher only works when everything else is going well. He was making position as a backwards option last night, then roosting it anyway. Stat padding.

His lack of physicality will cost us in a final.

Boyd is a better kick, is quicker and defends better one on one. The only issue is form and match fitness.

Turns it over alot also.

 

[Aphrodite]

Sold out already

What has sold out already, flights, accommodation?

 

[Neese]

Sold out already

Huh?

 

[Aphrodite]

Yes Pres

 

[RUNVS]

In all honesty, Sydney are not winning this game in 2 weeks time. Our inside game is truly terrible and that is one of your teams strengths. I am happy to make the finals but we are not going passed week 1.

 

[ctwenty1]

Most people have very similar changes;
Cunners
Marchbank
Durdin
Fish
Cincotta
Fogarty
Hollands

All mentioned.

Not sure who of the above stays in.


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I would say cunners and the last three stay in.

Marchy, durds and fish each have better replacements.

 

[ctwenty1]

In all honesty, Sydney are not winning this game in 2 weeks time. Our inside game is truly terrible and that is one of your teams strengths. I am happy to make the finals but we are not going passed week 1.

Understand your point of view but you are one of last year’s grand finalists.

You shouldn’t be taken lightly

 

[ctwenty1]

What has sold out already, flights, accommodation?

I believe he was referring to this

 

[Les Grossman playaaaa]

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B. E. L. I. E. V. E.

 

[windows1]

I don’t have confidence Hollands (yet) or Fisher are made for finals.

Feel Boyd is a better bet and if we are to go weeks in I’d like him there.

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

I don’t have confidence Hollands (yet) or Fisher are made for finals.

Feel Boyd is a better bet and if we are to go weeks in I’d like him there.

Fisher has been excellent for a few weeks. Not sure what kind of message it sends to the playing group to can him after one down game, a game that was weird from almost everyone. It’s not like bringing in boys is like trying to fit Cripps and doc back in.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

I don’t have confidence Hollands (yet) or Fisher are made for finals.

Feel Boyd is a better bet and if we are to go weeks in I’d like him there.

In hindsight I think it was probably a poor move not to give Boyd a run yesterday (in place of a rested Saad, for example).

Really should be in the side but they may be reluctant to play him now with no senior footy under the belt. Agree he is much better suited to the pressure of a final than Fisher.

 

[agro]

this


B. E. L. I. E. V. E.

We tried “B.E.L.I.E.V.E.” in 2013 for the Semi Final against Sydney.

Would prefer “D.O.” this time.

 

[kempy1976]

Probably won't be popular, but I think we seriously need to consider dropping McKay. I love him, but I think we are so much more dangerous and unpredictable without him. Charlie needs the extra space. We also need SOS, Jack Martin

21

Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

and our small forwards buzzing at ground level. Midfield was thumped in the second half against the giants. I know we have some big outs and underdone players on the park as well. Hopefully we can get some decent training sessions under the belt during the break and be fresh in a fortnight.

 

[HaydossJ]

Fisher has been excellent for a few weeks. Not sure what kind of message it sends to the playing group to can him after one down game, a game that was weird from almost everyone. It’s not like bringing in boys is like trying to fit Cripps and doc back in.

It sends the message that we want to win - and the coaches will choose the best combination of players to help achieve this. There are unlucky players in every side. They are professional enough to understand tough decisions. Those who aren’t, don’t survive.

 

[HyphensBack]

Elimination Final Team I would like to see
Gee it’s nice doing this - much better than discussing trades/drafts

Ruck - Pitto needed, prefer JSOS but sounds like he might not be available

Forwards - only two of Owies, Motlop and Durdin (1st two have better form), Cuningham getting more of it (tick) and Cottrell is a great runner, kicks goals and could play wing if Acres doesn’t work out plus his TOG allows others (Cripps and other mids) a rest. So Fogarty misses for mine especially with mids returning limiting his dual role (but suspect MC will reverse this).

Defense - Docherty to come back in, with all the mids back then I think we return him to defense (defense wins finals).

Mids - to Dow or not - Cripps, Cerra & Walsh are in (obvs), Hewett is in good form and Cripps is carrying sore ribs, Dow is in career best form (didn’t expect me to defend),
If Acres doesn’t get up then shift Docherty to wing and Fisher to backline
OR Hollands back to wing

In : Pittonet Cripps Docherty Motlop Fisher (sub)

Out : Fogarty Hollands Fisher Durdin Marchbank (sub)

FB: Cincotta Weitering Kemp
HB: Saad McGovern Newman
C: Acres Cripps Walsh
HF: Martin McKay Cuningham
FF: Motlop Curnow Owies

F: Pittonet Cerra Dow

Docherty (d) TDK (r/f) Cottrell (f/w) Hewett (m)

SUB : Fisher - he plays back, mid or forward and Kennedy doesn’t seem ready

E- Hollands Fogarty Boyd Marchbank

What are your thoughts on???
1) Cottrell v Fogarty
2) Docherty (d), Walsh (w) & Dow (m)
Vs Fisher (d), Hollands (w) & Walsh (m)