List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

[PeterSalt]

Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.

From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

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There's a link in the post above

 

[spenze]

Honestly, I'm annoyed we've guaranteed him a rookie spot.

With only 55 or so main list picks, there will be good talents who are unselected and available as rookies. But we'll have no ability to take them because we've committed to Borlase, someone who's not going to be no more than a middling backup.

Doesn't this contradict your earlier assertion that keeping Sloane wasn't going to hurt us as we had made spots available.

It does, doesn't it

We could not keep Sloane and Borlase and have been in a good position to select that good talent

 

[1970crow]

I don't get the kerfuffle over a player that is never likely to be be best 22 unless the cupboard is totally bereft of other options. Keane with a full pre-season over summer will have gone past him and Burgess is capable depth back or forward.

is there a kerfuffle? Kristof is annoyed, but haven't read too many other concerns. That said, if we plan to re-draft him, then it implies we see value in him (depth obviously). It does beg the question as to why Sloane or Hamill weren't delisted pre re-rookieing. Given there's zero chance either of those guys would have been selected ahead of us or taken as DFAs.

 

[1970crow]

Doesn't this contradict your earlier assertion that keeping Sloane wasn't going to hurt us as we had made spots available.

It does, doesn't it

We could not keep Sloane and Borlase and have been in a good position to select that good talent

no, no, we're simultaneously fine for list spots AND committing to Borlase is going to cost us potential talent. If only the veteran list spot for Tex had opened up, bloody AFL and their false promises.

 

[Eddie Murphy]

I don't really see any club sprinting out to grab someone who's maybe the 41st or 42nd player on a list.

There would have been some mild interest shown already, surely. As an uncontracted rookie, they could have made an offer and just got him.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding list management here, but wouldn't reaching out to him now meant using a senior spot on him? Doubt a senior spot is used on him but we saw this trade period the distorted market for KPD. Wouldn't be surprised if a team with deplorable defensive depth takes a rookie punt on him.

I'm indifferent to keeping Borlase, however we can't afford to go into 2024 with Keane, Butts, Worrell and Burgess our only available tall defensive stock. I'd be annoyed if we have to draft worse defensive depth having lost Borlase, considering we're wasting a senior spot on Sloane.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Is it true Ford restarts their threads on page 118...

Or it skips it and goes straight to Page 120, like the 13th floor of tall buildings

 

[Scorpus]

I don't get the kerfuffle over a player that is never likely to be be best 22 unless the cupboard is totally bereft of other options. Keane with a full pre-season over summer will have gone past him and Burgess is capable depth back or forward.

We could replace Borlase with any number of state league players and lose very little

 

[1970crow]

We could replace Borlase with any number of state league players and lose very little

we've a few on our list who that can be said for. I'd imagine he'd have been gone if we weren't going into 2024 with 2 KPDs under injury clouds.

 

[Mostyn]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding list management here, but wouldn't reaching out to him now meant using a senior spot on him? Doubt a senior spot is used on him but we saw this trade period the distorted market for KPD. Wouldn't be surprised if a team with deplorable defensive depth takes a rookie punt on him.

I'm indifferent to keeping Borlase, however we can't afford to go into 2024 with Keane, Butts, Worrell and Burgess our only available tall defensive stock. I'd be annoyed if we have to draft worse defensive depth having lost Borlase, considering we're wasting a senior spot on Sloane.

C'mon.

I was fine with delisting Sloane as well but he can't be the whipping boy for every decision.

If someone else gets Borlase, there will be another "break glass" state league defender we could take, who would do exactly what Borlase can do.

 

[Crow till I die]

C'mon.

I was fine with delisting Sloane as well but he can't be the whipping boy for every decision.

If someone else gets Borlase, there will be another "break glass" state league defender we could take, who would do exactly what Borlase can do.

The guy at Glenelg that just got picked up by North would have been well worth a look at the time and he was right under our noses. I am a big Sturt fan, but he shut down McFadyen who was a big performer for us all year..

 

[Mostyn]

is there a kerfuffle? Kristof is annoyed, but haven't read too many other concerns. That said, if we plan to re-draft him, then it implies we see value in him (depth obviously). It does beg the question as to why Sloane or Hamill weren't delisted pre re-rookieing. Given there's zero chance either of those guys would have been selected ahead of us or taken as DFAs.

You think there is zero chance that a free Sloane wouldn't be taken by North Melbourne? They took Liam Shiels last year. There may be other emerging clubs that look to a senior player for leadership.

Anyway, it would be easy to delist Hamill but there's no need to do it yet.

And I didn't think there was much kerfuffle with me - I guess I'm frustrated they've guaranteed Borlase a place when we don't know who would be there, but it's not something I'll lose sleep over.

 

[Mostyn]

The guy at Glenelg that just got picked up by North would have been well worth a look at the time and he was right under our noses. I am a big Sturt fan, but he shut down McFadyen who was a big performer for us all year..

Yeah, Toby Pink looked okay. Probably similar to Borlase.

 

[spenze]

no, no, we're simultaneously fine for list spots AND committing to Borlase is going to cost us potential talent. If only the veteran list spot for Tex had opened up, bloody AFL and their false promises.

Like the extra year we should have been allowed to have him on Cat B given the goal post fiasco

 

[Vader]

And I didn't think there was much kerfuffle with me - I guess I'm frustrated they've guaranteed Borlase a place when we don't know who would be there, but it's not something I'll lose sleep over.

They may not know precisely which players will be left after the ND, given that some club always pulls a surprise - but they do have a pretty good handle on the depth of talent in this year's crop. By all accounts, it's not good after the top group. They are obviously of the opinion that they're unlikely to have any better options by that stage in the RD.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

I’m sorry, but to have three first round picks and not use one or trade it forward (when we have Welsh next year) would be a disaster. Ok if two of them are used to move up the order assuming we think we can get a single better player than the two we would have otherwise drafted.

There are a number of natural candidates for rookie-ing or even early payout / delisting.

 

[GROTTO]

Is it true Ford restarts their threads on page 118...

Kane McGoodwin tell me if youre spinning stories here, this is f**king hilarious?

Can anyone confirm if this is actually the case? Glory be.

They have PTSD from 2007.

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

Like the extra year we should have been allowed to have him on Cat B given the goal post fiasco

But, but, but the Bearded Clam assured me that we could keep Borlase on the Cat B list, we only had to ask .

 

[dogs105]

Just saw a Facebook post about Murray and borlase. Consensus in comments is that it's the worst list management decision ever not to put Borlase on the main list.

The comment about him being our Charlie Curnow

30

Charlie Curnow

Age

27

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

9.7

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

was the best...

 

[dogs105]

How did we end up with 3 first round picks, and 2 list spots?

And still have an almost full rookie list?

 

[GreyCrow]

But, but, but the Bearded Clam assured me that we could keep Borlase on the Cat B list, we only had to ask .

 

[Crow till I die]

How did we end up with 3 first round picks, and 2 list spots?

And still have an almost full rookie list?

The obvious answer is to delist Hamill and take him in the rookie draft - far better to have 3 list spots when you have 3 1st rounders than to worry about keeping vacant rookie spots

 

[crows dude]

How did we end up with 3 first round picks, and 2 list spots?

And still have an almost full rookie list?

By not moving on enough players over the years. Also we had the additonal player in Keane

Hamill prpbably delisted and re-selected

Giving us the full 3 picks.

We will then have Rookie List of

1- Hamill - To the draft
2- Parnell
3- KEane
4- Borlase to draft

 

[George Kramer]

How did we end up with 3 first round picks, and 2 list spots?

And still have an almost full rookie list?

Sloane
Reid

 

[George Kramer]

But, but, but the Bearded Clam assured me that we could keep Borlase on the Cat B list, we only had to ask .

But but why can’t we move Borlase to the main list?

 

[Crow till I die]

Is it true Ford restarts their threads on page 118...

Can't be - the sack Hinkley threads are hundreds of pages long and there something like 10 editions of that thread

 

[crows dude]

But but why can’t we move Borlase to the main list?

Cause they dont think hes worthy of a senior list spot