List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

[PeterSalt]

Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.

From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

Roos target pick one, Dee to go on, big Dog to stay

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There's a link in the post above

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

lol

Hey if you told me in 1997 that they would one day use tarps at footy games and sing songs before the start, I would have said youre crazy.

We all should have a little bit of crazy lol.

 

[Mostyn]

My point is even if we wanted to put him on the list we can’t.

I see you’ve responded to this post though and not the ones where I picked you up on us not being short on list spots and asking for a comment on keeping Sloane. Why is that?

I have you muted so I only see your posts when someone quotes them. My feeling is that highlights the most interesting of your posts, and I'll sometimes go back to read or respond.

I don't really have any interest in reading your posts where you cast yourself as an internet policeman, thinking you're catching people out.

I feel it's a bit boorish. You have every right to post whatever you want, so it's easier for me to just mute it and go on with life.

 

[George Kramer]

I have you muted so I only see your posts when someone quotes them. My feeling is that highlights the most interesting of your posts, and I'll sometimes go back to read or respond.

I don't really have any interest in reading your posts where you cast yourself as an internet policeman, thinking you're catching people out.

I feel it's a bit boorish. You have every right to post whatever you want, so it's easier for me to just mute it and go on with life.

It has nothing to do with being an Internet policeman and catching people out. We all give opinions on here, people question mine and I respond.

When posters give their opinions I respond, sometimes positively other times negatively.

An example is one of your posts where you state we don’t have a list size issue. That’s clearly wrong. One of the reasons for that is re-signing Sloane. Even now you refused to give a response instead made it all about me. What does that say about you? You only want to converse with posters who you agree with?

 

[Mostyn]

It has nothing to do with being an Internet policeman and catching people out. We all give opinions on here, people question mine and I respond.

When posters give their opinions I respond, sometimes positively other times negatively.

An example is one of your posts where you state we don’t have a list size issue. That’s clearly wrong. One of the reasons for that is re-signing Sloane. Even now you refused to give a response instead made it all about me. What does that say about you? You only want to converse with posters who you agree with?

Do you mean the other thread?

I just read it and responded.

We don't have a list spot issue - in my opinion - because we're obviously fine with delisting Hamill (or Sholl or McHenry or whoever) and then re-rookieing them.

We'd rather risk losing Hamill than actually lose Sloane.

That seems a very conscious decision. Call it wrong, but it seems like they have that planned, unless they get a home run offer in a trade.

 

[BigBoSS_Riot]

Do you mean the other thread?

I just read it and responded.

We don't have a list spot issue - in my opinion - because we're obviously fine with delisting Hamill (or Sholl or McHenry or whoever) and then re-rookieing them.

We'd rather risk losing Hamill than actually lose Sloane.

That seems a very conscious decision. Call it wrong, but it seems like they have that planned, unless they get a home run offer in a trade.

I'm pretty sure the final list lodgements in regards to delisting current players was today - we very clearly aren't doing any more.

 

[Mostyn]

I'm pretty sure the final list lodgements in regards to delisting current players was today - we very clearly aren't doing any more.

There is a Delisted Free Agency period 1 that runs from now until November 8. Then there is Delisted Free Agency period 2 that runs from November 10, but only goes for a day.

I believe there is another delisting period between the two DFA periods - that seems logical, otherwise there's no reason to start a new DFA period.

Edit after google:

.* Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm

• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I have you muted so I only see your posts when someone quotes them. My feeling is that highlights the most interesting of your posts, and I'll sometimes go back to read or respond.

I don't really have any interest in reading your posts where you cast yourself as an internet policeman, thinking you're catching people out.

I feel it's a bit boorish. You have every right to post whatever you want, so it's easier for me to just mute it and go on with life.

I wish more took this approach rather than trying to change posters they know won't change.

 

[Mostyn]

I wish more took this approach rather than trying to change posters they know won't change.

I'm trying to argue less on here - it just seems a bit ridiculous to me to get too worried about things on an internet message board.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I'm trying to argue less on here - it just seems a bit ridiculous to me to get too worried about things on an internet message board.

Yeah, I'm trying to do the same.

Make a point & move on.

Some don't realise we got their point the 1st time lol.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

If we somehow just throw out a first rounder due to a lack of list spots, Reid should be sacked immediately. Can he trade it for a future pick or are we going to delist another player?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

If we somehow just throw out a first rounder due to a lack of list spots, Reid should be sacked immediately. Can he trade it for a future pick or are we going to delist another player?

I'm sure we could trade it... but we would want to get value.

Best to sort this issue out before the draft where we either combine picks to trade up or trade into next year's draft.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Can we actually delist a contracted player? That pick 20 is still a valuable pick just Like Mr_Moogle mentioned. We will look a laughing stock if we have to pass.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Can we actually delist a contracted player? That pick 20 is still a valuable pick just Like Mr_Moogle mentioned. We will look a laughing stock if we have to pass.

I doubt we will pass but if we're left with no options, some other side will bend us over in a deal for a future pick. We'll get pennies on the dollar.

 

[latinoheat]

How did we end up with 3 first round picks, and 2 list spots?

And still have an almost full rookie list?

I miss your previous avatar. Any chance it makes a comeback?

 

[Bearded Clam]

But, but, but the Bearded Clam assured me that we could keep Borlase on the Cat B list, we only had to ask .

Obsessive much?

I didnt assure you at all ya muppet.. I said we should be asking the question..

we did.. and we got shafted.. whilst another team, a vic one mind you, was allowed it..

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Man retaining Sloane was one of the most bone-headed list management decisions of all time. Port might be shit at recruiting missing pieces but at least they're ruthless about culling their dead wood.

 

[Alwaysacrow]

The guy at Glenelg that just got picked up by North would have been well worth a look at the time and he was right under our noses. I am a big Sturt fan, but he shut down McFadyen who was a big performer for us all year..

Toby Pink.

 

[BRL121]

Man retaining Sloane was one of the most bone-headed list management decisions of all time. Port might be s**t at recruiting missing pieces but at least they're ruthless about culling their dead wood.

Like Boak?

 

[Vader]

If we somehow just throw out a first rounder due to a lack of list spots, Reid should be sacked immediately. Can he trade it for a future pick or are we going to delist another player?

Both options are still on the table.

 

[Carmo]

I doubt we will pass but if we're left with no options, some other side will bend us over in a deal for a future pick. We'll get pennies on the dollar.

One side might want to bend us over realising we can't use it, problem for that particular side is that pick 20 is a pretty good pick and other sides will want it. For us to get a poor price basically all the rest of the clubs in the comp will have to collude and agree not to give us something good and or bid against each other. Its just not gonna happen.

 

[Shuestar13]

Like Boak?

And Dixon

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

And Dixon

They could only replace so many cooked players in the 1 year given they ran out of draft picks to use...

 

[Crow till I die]

Won't be no bending over because there will still be players available at that point that clubs will have had a fair bit higher on their boards than pick 20. If we don't intend to use it after having tried to use it to trade up we'll have divested ourselves before the draft. As you say it's still a reasonably high draft pick given the Acadmy and F/S earlier in the draft.

In no world are we going to the draft with 3 1st rounders and only 2 list spots to use them. Pick 20 will be traded out IF we have not delisted a player (ie Hamill) with an eye to picking back up on the rookie list and this will be BEFORE the draft

 

[Shuestar13]

They could only replace so many cooked players in the 1 year given they ran out of draft picks to use...

I did have to laugh at them re-signing Boak, given they had a big opportunity to do what the AFC couldn’t with Sloane, but they failed. Likewise with Dixon. Their list management “prowess” is hugely overrated.

Your list manager (Reid) is very good at his job and I wouldn’t be stressed at all with the situation, there will be use of your full draft hand

He unfortunately has been hamstrung by the retaining of Sloane mind you, it is fairly clear that he (Rory) should have retired and it won’t end well for him

 

[Mostyn]

In no world are we going to the draft with 3 1st rounders and only 2 list spots to use them.

It seems insane to me that people are suggesting this.

It's like suggesting that we might forget to take our pick because we went to the bar instead.

It's so remarkably unlikely, why worry about it?