List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading (Part 2)

[PeterSalt]

Do you have a link to the article? I can't find anything on Google or the AFL website. Not doubting you, just trying to find the article you referenced.

From the article below:

"For instance, it would have allowed Adelaide to list one of Rory Sloane or Taylor Walker as a veteran for 2024 and opened up another spot on their primary list. The idea was designed to keep veterans in the game without sacrificing a list spot that a youngster may have taken, with the veteran’s full payments still counted in the salary cap."

Roos target pick one, Dee to go on, big Dog to stay

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There's a link in the post above

 

[Betts are off]

Sorry if I've missed it posted recently, but if we trade Sholl, McAdam and Berg and lose Doedee To FA. Lose Seeds and McAsey to retirement officially. Retain Parnell as a rookie, and delist Hately, Moose, Newchurch and Brown.

What is our available list spots looking like?

Feel like that's a lot of 2023 players not on the Senior list anymore.

 

[Vader]

Sorry if I've missed it posted recently, but if we trade Sholl, McAdam and Berg and lose Doedee To FA. Lose Seeds and McAsey to retirement officially. Retain Parnell as a rookie, and delist Hately, Moose, Newchurch and Brown.

What is our available list spots looking like?

Feel like that's a lot of 2023 players not on the Senior list anymore.

While Doedee, Berg & McAdam have all said that they want out, there is nothing about Sholl. That appears to be nothing more than BF wishful thinking.

Assuming Parnell stays on the rookie list (still to be confirmed by the AFL)...

Senior List
OUT: McAsey (ret), Hately (delist), Doedee (FA), Berg (trade), McAdam (trade)
IN: Burgess (trade), Murray (upgrade)
Vacancies: 3

Rookie List
OUT: Murray (upgraded), McPherson (del)
OUT (but don't create a usable vacancy): Brown, Newchurch, Seedsman
Retained: Parnell, Keane
Vacancies: 2

Don't forget that Seedsman has already been replaced by Keane, who is contracted for 2024. Conversely, McAsey's replacement (Brown) is being delisted, so that creates a vacancy on the senior list.

We also don't know what fate awaits Borlase. We either need to upgrade him to the senior list, or delist him. He's a Cat B rookie, so delisting him doesn't create a usable vacancy.

We need to make a minimum of 3x ND selections, noting that rookie upgrades count towards this total.

I've removed Sloane from the list of changes I posted yesterday, due to new information from PeterSalt confirming that the Veterans List will not be returning in 2024.

 

[Vader]

Well we ain't getting Oliver so pick 4 is the only chance and from a list P.O.V. unless McKercher is guaranteed to be there at pick 4 I don't see the point.

Not saying we'll get either, but I think our chances of getting Oliver are much greater than our chances of getting pick #4.

 

[ams4crows]

Water under the bridge ey? Sounds like it's not completely out of the question

 

[Vader]

Happy to be proven wrong but I think our chance at getting Oliver is just minutely better than zero, and like I said unless McKercher is guaranteed at pick 4 I don't see the point.

I'm not arguing that our chances of getting Oliver aren't remote at best, they're still better than our chances of getting pick #4.

Even if it's only 1% for Oliver, that's still more likely than our chances of getting pick #4.

 

[PeterSalt]

And I'll say it again from a list P.O.V. unless McKercher is guaranteed to be there at Pick 4 I wouldn't even be trying to move up.

I'd still be ok if we somehow did a trade that gave us the WB's current 1st pick as opposed to chasing pick 4

 

[Crow till I die]

I am happy we were at the head of the line for him though - unlikely as it was he was going to be moved out He is exactly what we need and its nice to hear the hierarchy felt that way too

 

[PeterSalt]

How do you profess that happens?

Other than McKercher or perhaps Duursma if we think he transitions into a full time mid with certainty I just don't see the value.

I guess it would require spending some/all of the 2nd round picks

I don't see the point in McKercher. Perhaps there is value in taking 2 of the other picks, O'Sullivan, Watson, Wilson for example.

TBH - I haven't been following this years draft much

 

[ams4crows]

Two of the 20's pick for 10 and Burgess, assuming WB do the deal to get pick 4.

O'Sullivan and Darcy Wilson at 9 and 10 come on down, and Mitch Edwards with the other 20's pick would be a great haul for us

 

[PeterSalt]

You don't see the point in McKercher?

Wilson, O'Sullivan or Harry De Mattia or any 2 of them.

Sure, maybe McKercher turns into a cracking player. I find the Tasmania part pretty unappealing. Especially if we have to burn a heap of draft picks to get up the order

Looks like we may finish up with 3 2nd round and picks and whatever we get for McAdam. Unless they flip some of them into next year?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Sounds like Dogs are offering up pick 10, 17 and a F1 for pick 4 from GC

I don't think we can compete against that, hopefully we have something else in the works like a salary dump and gain a nice pick along with it (Haynes) / or the big fish (Oliver)

If true ....totally irresponsible to give 2 x 1st round picks for a 6 position move, 10 to 4

For a JHF, yes ......but there's no franchise player available at #4

 

[rabidcrow]

That’s a lot for a pick 4, wanna be a gun

You would imagine an F2 coming back from GC


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[rabidcrow]

We have 9, 20 and F1 to use as well as 24, Doedee, McAdam and Himmo compo.if we want. We can certainly compete, the question is whether pick 4 is worth the price. Personally I think we will either get Oliver or pick 4. The need for a star mid is very strong.

I think the McKay compo stuffs any chance of us moving up the board

Given McKercher will go inside the first 4 non academy the incentive to get up the board diminishes. At least as the picks currently stand there was a chance he could get through


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[WaynesWorld19]

Even if we did it with Sholl, McHenry or Hamill, I don't think many would care if they got poached. Would save us having to haggle with clubs on the trade table - just take the third round pick and move on.

We already have a raft of Draft Picks, acrued from last year + the Doedee / McAdam picks

We don't need to be trading out anymore players, to accumulate 3rd round picks in a shallow Draft .....only caveat is if it's a player for player trade

I guess the interest in Sholl by ESS has subsided, now arrow-man has come into ESS's sights

 

[Betts are off]

Sure, maybe McKercher turns into a cracking player. I find the Tasmania part pretty unappealing. Especially if we have to burn a heap of draft picks to get up the order

Looks like we may finish up with 3 2nd round and picks and whatever we get for McAdam. Unless they flip some of them into next year?

I might be alone here, but i'm actually not really worried about the Tasmanian side.

Unless i've miscalculated, the F8 for players drafted in the 2023 draft will be the 2031 season, that's 3 years after the Tassie team comes into the AFL. And that's assuming the players haven't extended long past this timeframe anyway. No-one would walking away for free given those timeframes.

Plus if i'm a Tassie player, i'm not sure i'm running back to Tasmania to cop 12-15 goal floggings for the first 2-3 years of its existence. And potentially stay down the bottom of the ladder for the majority of my career. Especially if i'm in a decent team.

 

[PeterSalt]

I might be alone here, but i'm actually not really worried about the Tasmanian side.

Unless i've miscalculated, the F8 for players drafted in the 2023 draft will be the 2031 season, that's 3 years after the Tassie team comes into the AFL. And that's assuming the players haven't extended long past this timeframe anyway. No-one would walking away for free given those timeframes.

Plus if i'm a Tassie player, i'm not sure i'm running back to Tasmania to cop 12-15 goal floggings for the first 2-3 years of its existence. And potentially stay down the bottom of the ladder for the majority of my career. Especially if i'm in a decent team.

I thought the AFL was tabling a scenario where Tasmania could pick off 1 contracted player from each club.

Of course the player would have to agree to go.

Maybe I've completely gotten my wires crossed?

 

[Betts are off]

I thought the AFL was tabling a scenario where Tasmania could pick off 1 contracted player from each club.

Of course the player would have to agree to go.

Maybe I've completely gotten my wires crossed?

I hadn't heard that. In that case I would take that entire post back. That's not a fun scenario for any club, or player from Tassie in the next 4 drafts.

 

[PeterSalt]

I hadn't heard that. In that case I would take that entire post back. That's not a fun scenario for any club, or player from Tassie in the next 4 drafts.

TBH .. fair chance I got my wires crossed

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Sounds like Dogs are offering up pick 10, 17 and a F1 for pick 4 from GC

I don't think we can compete against that, hopefully we have something else in the works like a salary dump and gain a nice pick along with it (Haynes) / or the big fish (Oliver)

That would leave the bulldogs with pick 37 (~500 points) to match a bid for Croft who is likely to be bid on around 10 (requiring ~1,100 points post discount).

 

[rabidcrow]

I might be alone here, but i'm actually not really worried about the Tasmanian side.

Unless i've miscalculated, the F8 for players drafted in the 2023 draft will be the 2031 season, that's 3 years after the Tassie team comes into the AFL. And that's assuming the players haven't extended long past this timeframe anyway. No-one would walking away for free given those timeframes.

Plus if i'm a Tassie player, i'm not sure i'm running back to Tasmania to cop 12-15 goal floggings for the first 2-3 years of its existence. And potentially stay down the bottom of the ladder for the majority of my career. Especially if i'm in a decent team.

Got to have an ability to build a list. Free agency will be waived - they will take who they want/can get and clubs will get compo picks


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[40porpoise]

I'm a bit worried about our strategy now that Oliver isn't in the picture.

Effectively were going into 2024 down Doedee and Mcadam, and plus Burgess and some young draftees. That's going backwards IMO.

It could be Tex's last high performing season next year, we need to strike now.

 

[Bearded Clam]

If the suns trade pick 4 to the dogs for 10, 17 and F1.. which looks likely..

Then we should be straight onto the suns for 10 and 17 using our F1 and a couple of our seconds..

Work Burgess in as steak knives..

Get the best two mids with 9 and 10 and a smokey pick of 17 on Ashton Moir who its rumoured the Pies might be interested in at 18.. elite talent and skill arent lost overnight, this year has been a confidence issue which he’ll get over in a good club system.

 

[texanmike]

I'm a bit worried about our strategy now that Oliver isn't in the picture.

Effectively were going into 2024 down Doedee and Mcadam, and plus Burgess and some young draftees. That's going backwards IMO.

It could be Tex's last high performing season next year, we need to strike now.

Of course its backwards. History tells you it is extremely difficult to attract anyone of star quality to our club, other than adelaide boys that have supported the club since day 1. We have no choice but to draft in our next star midfielder and god knows when that will happen.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Of course its backwards. History tells you it is extremely difficult to attract anyone of star quality to our club, other than adelaide boys that have supported the club since day 1. We have no choice but to draft in our next star midfielder and god knows when that will happen.

He’s already on our list. His name is Luke Pedlar.

 

[texanmike]

He’s already on our list. His name is Luke Pedlar.

Yes our next star midfielder attending 1-2 CB's per game .
Lets see if that changes in 2024. If he was ready for more midfield minutes, surely the coaches would of thrown him in there more.