List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading

[Jeffcrowe]

I'm not to familiar with this years draft but how high would our pick meed to be to get a gun mid? Top 5?

Top 2 to get Mckercher given Walter and Read are suns academy

 

[Jeffcrowe]

We’ve been saying this “we cant expect him to be this good again next year” for a couple of years now though.. and the opposite has occurred.. he’s looked even better!

As long as Tex is fit.. and burgess will make sure he is (barring injury of course).. then I can easily see two more years of tex after this year..

He’s such an incredibly smart footballer that any small slowdown in foot speed wont make that big an impact to his performance and output.

He’s never been a very quick player anyway..

Hawkins is nearly two years older and, apart from his very recent current injury, has still been going around and still impacts games..

Watching Tex goal out of ruck on Sat on repeat and I don’t think he’s ever moved that well or at least since his big year in 2012

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Mentioned Jacob Koschitzke last week as a cheap key position option, kicked 6 that time against the Crows, looked at him back in today for the Hawks and still has something about him just has really never put it together. Looked pretty good in the ruck too today, grab him to play forward and train Thilthorpe at CHB all summer?

He’d be my pick

2-3 year deal at lowish wage , might cost a late 3rd rounder at best ( that we might not even use )

Could force his way in as key defender or key forward ( post tex )

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Ok, just read through the thread on the trading board.

I’m not sure I’d want to part with the best part of $1m in cap space to fill Murray’s spot for 6 months.

You’d want to be sure that there was a juicy puck coming and we’d be able to manoeuvre it into a quality mid at the draft.

Or do a package deal for Ash!

Haynes is less a key defender than Worrell

He’s more a replacement for Doedee than Murray

 

[Jeffcrowe]

One positive is that we’ve managed to get a bit more height into the team. With guys like Dawson, Hinge, Nank and MM all being 189cm to 192cm. Woz as a 194cm utility too. We’ve still got some short people but those positions were previously filled with guys like Brown, Dude who were in the 182-187cm range.

Yep our height is fine , we dominated the showdown with contested marks all around the ground

 

[Mattrox]

Is the consensus that Doedee was going to leave, but now will stay?

I don't see another team making an offer that prices him out of us matching only to have him miss preseason, sit out 2/3 of the year with no assurance he'll get back to his best.

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[Dangerousfield]

I doubt any club is really looking at Doedee given his injury and ordinary form leading up to that. He'll be staying.

I think talk of Haynes being traded as a salary dump is just Vicmedia filling airwaves space. Absolutely nothing emanating from GWS suggest they still have cap problems and Haynes is a much loved GWS original (one of only three Greene and Cogs to see the journey through from the 2011 ND), something a club trying to build long term culture would not trash by dumping him.

Talk of Haynes AND a high pick is even more ridiculous, just pure take the piss Vicmedia fantasy. Not worth the breath it's uttered with, but those guys do it anyway.

Better to talk about how we free up main list spots, now Sloane has had an "unbelievably incredible" season, Crouch has reinvented himself and Borlase is needed.

 

[Mostyn]

I doubt any club is really looking at Doedee given his injury and ordinary form leading up to that. He'll be staying.

I think talk of Haynes being traded as a salary dump is just Vicmedia filling airwaves space. Absolutely nothing emanating from GWS suggest they still have cap problems and Haynes is a much loved GWS original (one of only three Greene and Cogs to see the journey through from the 2011 ND), something a club trying to build long term culture would not trash by dumping him.

Talk of Haynes AND a high pick is even more ridiculous, just pure take the piss Vicmedia fantasy. Not worth the breath it's uttered with, but those guys do it anyway.

Better to talk about how we free up main list spots, now Sloane has had an "unbelievably incredible" season, Crouch has reinvented himself and Borlase is needed.

I wish I disgreed with anything you were posting ...

 

[BRL121]

Talk of Haynes AND a high pick is even more ridiculous, just pure take the piss Vicmedia fantasy.

If you look at the article, you will see that it only the dreaded Cornes who floated that idea.

 

[Interloperer]

Going back a page or 2 - and let me say Tex has had an outstanding year and I hope it continues

But to start thinking/talking about 2025 is very premature.

He is in his 16th year and we cant expect the same output next year let alone 2025.

I would suggest 2024 is an opportunity to integrate Fog and Riley into becoming more central to our delivery and resting Tex for more games.

I dont think we can enter 2025 with Tex as our main focus up forward

Adelaide will need to trade to replace Walker. Until then he can get one year deals ad infinitum until he stops delivering or his fitness/health fails.

Neither Fogarty nor Thilthorpe can play the role Walker does, and they both need someone to fill the gap if Walker is absent.

If the replacement is recruited next year, they can probably target someone who is "a year or two" off being ready. But they won't be able to replace him from within without a major reshuffle and/or regression in forward efficacy.

 

[woofsson]

Adelaide will need to trade to replace Walker. Until then he can get one year deals ad infinitum until he stops delivering or his fitness/health fails.

Neither Fogarty nor Thilthorpe can play the role Walker does, and they both need someone to fill the gap if Walker is absent.

If the replacement is recruited next year, they can probably target someone who is "a year or two" off being ready. But they won't be able to replace him from within without a major reshuffle and/or regression in forward efficacy.

"Adelaide will need to trade to replace Walker."
Who are the available and likely candidates?
Off the top of my mind, I can't think of any.

 

[Danger in Texas]

"Adelaide will need to trade to replace Walker."
Who are the available and likely candidates?
Off the top of my mind, I can't think of any.

Probably Luko, eventually

Also we’ll have Welsh coming through

 

[Golumless]

Adelaide will need to trade to replace Walker. Until then he can get one year deals ad infinitum until he stops delivering or his fitness/health fails.

Neither Fogarty nor Thilthorpe can play the role Walker does, and they both need someone to fill the gap if Walker is absent.

If the replacement is recruited next year, they can probably target someone who is "a year or two" off being ready. But they won't be able to replace him from within without a major reshuffle and/or regression in forward efficacy.

Nor do you need them to replace Tex like for like. With a preseason, we should be able to work out a very effective forward line structure with Fog/Thilthorpe/Rankine with some bit-pieces floating around. After all, the game doesn't really change here which is building a group to make the most of your top-end talent, and that's still a group flushed with it. It would be a different story if it was Tex kicking 60 with mediocre support, where replacing him would mean we go from maximising top-end talent to trying to scrounge as many goalkickers as we can and brute forcing it.

Mind you, we're not far from being forced to restructure it due to Thilthorpe anyway. After all, if we have any genuine premiership aspirations, the whole shebang needs to built around him at some point in the near future. Texs form is kind of delaying that, for better and worse. We're also not far from another major reconstruction point which is using Rachele as a full time forward/mid.

 

[Interloperer]

"Adelaide will need to trade to replace Walker."
Who are the available and likely candidates?
Off the top of my mind, I can't think of any.

Nobody at Walker's standard. If they want someone that good they're probably going to have prepare a monster offer for someone who would normally be considered "off the market".

Nor do you need them to replace Tex like for like. With a preseason, we should be able to work out a very effective forward line structure with Fog/Thilthorpe/Rankine with some bit-pieces floating around. After all, the game doesn't really change here which is building a group to make the most of your top-end talent, and that's still a group flushed with it. It would be a different story if it was Tex kicking 60 with mediocre support, where replacing him would mean we go from maximising top-end talent to trying to scrounge as many goalkickers as we can and brute forcing it.

Mind you, we're not far from being forced to restructure it due to Thilthorpe anyway. After all, if we have any genuine premiership aspirations, the whole shebang needs to built around him at some point in the near future. Texs form is kind of delaying that, for better and worse.

Walker has still scored twice as many goals as anyone else. IMHO it's well worth just renewing his contract until he stops performing. He is so much better than any other option currently that it's worth taking the risk that he hits the wall early in the season/pre-season.

If you compare to 2016, which I consider the peak of Adelaide's forward lines as a unit. Tom Lynch was 4th best in goalkicking with 42 (in 23 games). Fogarty and Rankine (if fit) might get close. But most likely,from 2023, only Walker would be in the top 4 of that season.

The ideal case would be an eventual like-for-like replacement. But you really only need someone as good as Thilthorpe/Fogarty in the Walker role (to be specific, I mean 'taking the best defender' here,) to allow those two to play at their best. Absolute worst-case, you need another forward in that ballpark (in any forward role) and hope the dream of Fogarty or Thilthorpe "Stepping up" into the Walker role happens. (this is IMHO a pipe dream)

If none of those things happen, then the club will need drastic measures like repurposing players from elsewhere (IMHO Dawson or Murray should be seriously considered), or complete strategic rethink.

 

[BRL121]

"Adelaide will need to trade to replace Walker."
Who are the available and likely candidates?
Off the top of my mind, I can't think of any.

Tex is irreplaceable, like for like. It will be a new game.

 

[Eddie Murphy]

Adelaide will need to trade to replace Walker. Until then he can get one year deals ad infinitum until he stops delivering or his fitness/health fails.

Neither Fogarty nor Thilthorpe can play the role Walker does, and they both need someone to fill the gap if Walker is absent.

If the replacement is recruited next year, they can probably target someone who is "a year or two" off being ready. But they won't be able to replace him from within without a major reshuffle and/or regression in forward efficacy.

Why do we need a Tex like-for-like though? I wouldn’t be looking for a replacement any time soon, with Gollant and in the near future Welsh looking like talls trying to break in.

 

[Interloperer]

Why do we need a Tex like-for-like though? I wouldn’t be looking for a replacement any time soon, with Gollant and in the near future Welsh looking like talls trying to break in.

Because the first-choice opposition defender currently trying to stop Walker will move onto Thilthorpe or Fogarty. And neither have demonstrated an ability to cope with that.

Even if you think they can, then the problem becomes: The three defenders handling Thilthorpe, Fogarty and Walker, become three defenders handling Thilthorpe, Fogarty and some barely competent replacement-level (in the sports-statistics sense) Rando.

 

[ams4crows]

McAdam to Freo/WCE as part of a trade for a defender?


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Is this a rumour or something you want to happen?

I'd happily take Barnett off of west coast hands

 

[pushintheback]

Is there any update with Chayce Jones

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Chayce Jones

Age

24

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.9

4star

MG

178.6

3star

D

8.9

2star

K

4.9

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.6

3star

MG

143.3

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

175.0

3star

as I haven’t seen anything. Fingers x it’s not a 12 month injury. If it is do we need to adjust our draft strategy? I love what he brings to the team.

 

[Crow till I die]

I doubt any club is really looking at Doedee given his injury and ordinary form leading up to that. He'll be staying.

I think talk of Haynes being traded as a salary dump is just Vicmedia filling airwaves space. Absolutely nothing emanating from GWS suggest they still have cap problems and Haynes is a much loved GWS original (one of only three Greene and Cogs to see the journey through from the 2011 ND), something a club trying to build long term culture would not trash by dumping him.

Talk of Haynes AND a high pick is even more ridiculous, just pure take the piss Vicmedia fantasy. Not worth the breath it's uttered with, but those guys do it anyway.

Better to talk about how we free up main list spots, now Sloane has had an "unbelievably incredible" season, Crouch has reinvented himself and Borlase is needed.

He even just made team of the week

 

[ams4crows]

He even just made team of the week

Is Sloane the sub because he played the best game of any other sub this round???

 

[PeterSalt]

Is there any update with Chayce Jones as I haven’t seen anything. Fingers x it’s not a 12 month injury. If it is do we need to adjust our draft strategy? I love what he brings to the team.

Lisfranc injury .. same as Taylor.

When you see how the injury happened, this is a pretty good description

 

[pushintheback]

Lisfranc injury .. same as Taylor.

When you see how the injury happened, this is a pretty good description

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Fingers x it’s not too severe.

 

[PeterSalt]

Fingers x it’s not too severe.

Yeah. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the club says post surgery

 

[GreyCrow]

Because the first-choice opposition defender currently trying to stop Walker will move onto Thilthorpe or Fogarty. And neither have demonstrated an ability to cope with that.

Even if you think they can, then the problem becomes: The three defenders handling Thilthorpe, Fogarty and Walker, become three defenders handling Thilthorpe, Fogarty and some barely competent replacement-level (in the sports-statistics sense) Rando.

So we roll Tex out in a wheelchair?

We WILL find a replacement or we WILL change things up