List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[s_wd6]

I think our forward line is bottom 4 in the comp.
Our midfield can't break lines. We are at least 4 players short of top 4. I don't see many people on the list who can fill these holes. Keuk and Stanley maybe, but that is a stretch.

Agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[Vintage]

I can’t see how people cam see us get smashed so badly in the midfield week after week after week and think ‘no.1 priority is forwards’ tbh. I really can’t.

Our midfield and defence are overrated. They aren’t giving our forwards a chance.

Don’t fix our midfield we won’t fix our defence or forward line. Simple as that imo.

I don’t know about others but I feel like we already have the midfielders on the list, but they aren’t playing and/or need more time to develop - so I worry less about that. Serong was out, Brodie injured and out of form, Johnson and Erasmus both big bodies who are still developing so give them another year or 2 and they’ll be much better.

I really don’t see a sonny replacement on the list.

That’s why I’d like a small forward. I like Schultz and switta, but they aren’t that player.

 

[WilloTree]

The two problems in list form:

Fremantle 1st/2nd Round Selections past 10 drafts
2022 - Davies
2021 - Amiss, Erasmus, Johnson
2020 - Chapman, O'Driscoll
2019 - Young, Serong, Henry
2018 - Sturt, Valente
2017 - Brayshaw, Cerra
2016 - Logue, Darcy, Cox
2015 - Tucker, Balic
2014 - Weller, Blakely
2013 - Apeness, Pearce

Midfielders - 12
Defenders - 7
Forwards - 3

10 years for 3 forwards...


Doig top 5 2017 - 2021 Bolded: No longer at the club.

2017​	Bradley Hill	Lachie Neale	Nat Fyfe^	David Mundy	Michael Walters^	[22]​
2018​	Lachie Neale (2)	David Mundy	Nat Fyfe^	Ed Langdon	Luke Ryan^	[23]​
2019​	Nat Fyfe+^(3)	Michael Walters^	Bradley Hill	David Mundy	Ed Langdon	[24]​
2020​	Luke Ryan^	Nat Fyfe^	Adam Cerra	Andrew Brayshaw^	David Mundy	[25]​
2021​	Sean Darcy^	David Mundy	Andrew Brayshaw^	Caleb Serong^	Adam Cerra	[26]​

 

[Boppo]

I wonder if Sonny may pull a Dave Mundy and spring a no fuss retirement at the end if the year. he is still good for 2 goals a game this year but just isnt able to contribute much else. Another preseason in him?

 

[nurries]

I wonder if Sonny may pull a Dave Mundy and spring a no fuss retirement at the end if the year. he is still good for 2 goals a game this year but just isnt able to contribute much else. Another preseason in him?

Nope. Just signed 2 years, he will play on

 

[blue shark]

Agree to disagree and leave it at that.

A different coaching dept would move the magnets.
But we are lacking quality small forwards and another key fullback.
Taylor could do exactly what May did for the Demons, 2026?
Wouldn’t mind seeing Treacy played as a swingman, especially when we get
monstered in a quarter.
Every club needs that inside Bull, with power and pace, I’m hoping we get
Hall in the draft.

 

[s_wd6]

A different coaching dept would move the magnets.
But we are lacking quality small forwards and another key fullback.
Taylor could do exactly what May did for the Demons, 2026?
Wouldn’t mind seeing Treacy played as a swingman, especially when we get
monstered in a quarter.
Every club needs that inside Bull, with power and pace, I’m hoping we get
Hall in the draft.

I agree we have no quality small forwards. We seem to recruit "hard workers" rather than guys with natural goal sense.
Sam Taylor is my number one target but there's an almost zero percent chance of that happening.

That being said, I still think we can compete despite those shortcomings in our list, but we need proper coaching to do so.

 

[Scham]

There won’t be a change a coach for 2024. There will more likely be some changes to the support staff. Given the squad has gotten younger he will be given 2024 to turn it around. Finals or bust though for JL in 2024.

I feel that a lot has to go right for us to make finals next year:

Firstly, we have to absolutely nail the trade and draft period this year as our list isn't anywhere near whole and our depth is average.
We'll possibly be without Walker for most of the season and have to find a suitable replacement
Fyfe will have to become a player again.
Pearce will need to improve, both as a player and a captain.
Our current group of 19yo's will need to significantly lift.
And, we'll need to have as good a season as this one with injuries.

I don't think we can just rely on the natural development of Amiss, Johnson, Worner, Dris and Erasmus to get us extra wins although that'll certainly help.

 

[rgauci]

We’re at the point now where we don’t need to top up with B/C graders. We need to hit A grade targets. Bit like Brisbane did getting Neale, Daniher, Dunkley.

Who or how? That’s why they get the big bucks.

We’ve done the first hit getting Jackson via trade; who will be our free agent target? I’m seeing much better options in 2024 than 2023, but given our draft hand, I’d like at least 1 free agent this year. May have to concede and take a B grader.

 

[s_wd6]

I feel that a lot has to go right for us to make finals next year:

Firstly, we have to absolutely nail the trade and draft period this year as our list isn't anywhere near whole and our depth is average.
We'll possibly be without Walker for most of the season and have to find a suitable replacement
Fyfe will have to become a player again.
Pearce will need to improve, both as a player and a captain.
Our current group of 19yo's will need to significantly lift.
And, we'll need to have as good a season as this one with injuries.

I don't think we can just rely on the natural development of Amiss, Johnson, Worner, Dris and Erasmus to get us extra wins although that'll certainly help.

Would be good if guys like Amiss, Erasmus, and Driz can have full pre-seasons for once.

 

[blue shark]

I feel that a lot has to go right for us to make finals next year:

Firstly, we have to absolutely nail the trade and draft period this year as our list isn't anywhere near whole and our depth is average.
We'll possibly be without Walker for most of the season and have to find a suitable replacement
Fyfe will have to become a player again.
Pearce will need to improve, both as a player and a captain.
Our current group of 19yo's will need to significantly lift.
And, we'll need to have as good a season as this one with injuries.

I don't think we can just rely on the natural development of Amiss, Johnson, Worner, Dris and Erasmus to get us extra wins although that'll certainly help.

Don’t disagree but will add we need to nail the off field personal.
Brodie, NOD, those big bodies need to be in the midfield, Fyfe?
I’d like him rotating with Young, limited centre minutes.
I’ve seen enough of Hall as the inside/outside role, Cerra replacement.
Sanchez is another who just finds the goals.
What this club doesn’t need are flaky types. We need an harder edge.

 

[wakojako]

That fella Robert Hansen Jnr we were looking at picking up in the MSD kicked 4 goals against the Geelong vfl side.

 

[millsy]

We’re at the point now where we don’t need to top up with B/C graders. We need to hit A grade targets. Bit like Brisbane did getting Neale, Daniher, Dunkley.

Who or how? That’s why they get the big bucks.

We’ve done the first hit getting Jackson via trade; who will be our free agent target? I’m seeing much better options in 2024 than 2023, but given our draft hand, I’d like at least 1 free agent this year. May have to concede and take a B grader.

I get what you're saying, but there's got to be realistic B grader options to target, let alone A grade options.

By the time you exclude the older players who aren't moving, the list is skinny?

 

[Sturty2Hurty]

The only FAs I like are Gresham and Himmelberg. I doubt either would come to Freo.

 

[Taylor]

The only FAs I like are Gresham and Himmelberg. I doubt either would come to Freo.

Well this is the year to buy free agents because next season we have two pretty valuable players hitting that milestone and we wouldn't want their compensation picks diluted.

If we were to lose any of them next year.

 

[Superkoops]

That fella Robert Hansen Jnr we were looking at picking up in the MSD kicked 4 goals against the Geelong vfl side.

He would have been handy but I’m happy with our pick. Stanley reminds me of Isaac Smith but with long powerful right boot. Area of need.

We need to find a small forward in the draft.

 

[Superkoops]

Someone else will offer an F1, effectively trumping that offer

GC don't have the list spots to carry multiple picks like that imo

My point was Gold Coast need 2023 picks - preferably second round. They have a bunch of academy picks - 3 in the top 20 if you go by the draft experts. A F1 won’t be their main target.

Obviously they can’t go nuts with heaps of picks so they need picks in the second round. We just happen to have an early one and we need to get inventive to find another. They can easily offload 3rd/4th picks (ie trade them out for Future picks or offload to a buyer as part of top 10 trade). We could pick up a late third or early fourth (or both) along with their top 10 pick in exchange for some good second round picks. 22 and 23 carry quite decent points. F1 won’t help them.

I’m sure clubs will offer F1 - I just don’t believe that is what GC will be after. I’m proposing turning pick 6/7 into a net gain of points for GC of around near 400pts. I’m not interested in trading F1. We did for Jackson and never again please.

 

[Spirit Level]

Wonder if Mundy would consider a midfield coaching role

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Depth at AFL is a coaching thing as far as im concerned. Coached right, you can turn any pick just about any pick after 40 into a role player, give that role player enough games and they might even turn into a solid 100-150 game player.

Every team has a Schultz/Walker/Switta, they are AFL level players as far as I’m concerned. The problem is we might have one too many of them. One more A-grade talent up forward would make a world of difference up there

 

[Midnite65]

I think our forward line is bottom 4 in the comp.
Our midfield can't break lines. We are at least 4 players short of top 4. I don't see many people on the list who can fill these holes. Keuk and Stanley maybe, but that is a stretch.

What do you expect of a forward line relying on a 19yo, 20yo and 21yo as the key targets. We really miss 1 or 2 26-27yo key targets to help bring them along so until we get a decent amount of games into them we are going to be poor.

 

[Ge3ks]

30yo Tabs is back this week.

 

[theGav56]

We have Brodie, Stanley and perhaps Worner ready or on the cusp to emerge from Perl on top of MJ and Erasmus. Worth remembering that we placed a low priority on retaining Acres and Tucker as well, indicating a lack of concern for the depth in this position.

We have Davies and Draper not ready this year but showing positive signs, and we have Chapman on the cusp of returning. We also allowed Logue to drift away.

We're not doing well, but I think list depth is a smaller factor than what others see.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

30yo Tabs is back this week.

Where's this?

 

[s_wd6]

Where's this?

was on the injury report from last week

 

[ilikepotatoes]

What do you expect of a forward line relying on a 19yo, 20yo and 21yo as the key targets. We really miss 1 or 2 26-27yo key targets to help bring them along so until we get a decent amount of games into them we are going to be poor.

This is why I think expectations are way off. When was the last time a successful team had key forwards that young?

My concern is the time it may take for those 3 to build themselves up means we're waiting another 5 odd years to be contending.