List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Joao]

Lets use the Henry draft capital on 2x good 22-25 year old with 80 games experience. My rose coloured glasses are telling me we are fast approaching a window so stuff going to the draft. 1 excellent winger (like better than Aish and Henry) and 1 good forward (like better than Treacy and Corbett) would be the go. Any ideas?

Who are these players?

I don't think we can get players of sufficient quality with the picks we have this year. We really don't need B/C graders. We need top end only.

Thing is you know what your gonna get with Naughton. We should be coming into the years where we should be challenging and another 40+ goal a year forward to help Amiss is needed. Do people see Treacy as a player capable of kicking 40+?

I don't think Treacy is much danger of ever kicking 60 (mind you Josh Jenkins did so who knows), but if he starts to hold 60% of those marks he gets his hands to now, he'll kick 30 no trouble. If he constantly kicks 30odd he is bound to kick 40+ a few times. He also rarely gets outmarked and has elite forward pressure for a tall.

Treacy gets a totally unfair wrap because
a) Amiss is amazing
b) It is not unsual for 20/21yo KPFs to have ordinary returns in the first 3-5 seasons. If he is still doing this in 2025 then its time to move on. We seem to have forgotten this.


The real reason I don't think Naughton will work though is because we probably can't afford the salary.

 

[Polo342]

I think Dogga and Treacy can definitely combine for 60.

I'm not trading our entire present and future, and essentially making Treacy a depth player, for Naughton. He's a good player, not an elite player.

If Jackson is to kick that many then we wont be playing him up the ground as much as we want though.

Also with Treacy i thought i read a stat the other day that he had only had like 17 odd shots on goal for the season.

 

[Polo342]

Who are these players?

I don't think we can get players of sufficient quality with the picks we have this year. We really don't need B/C graders. We need top end only.

I don't think Treacy is much danger of ever kicking 60 (mind you Josh Jenkins did so who knows), but if he starts to hold 60% of those marks he gets his hands to now, he'll kick 30 no trouble. If he constantly kicks 30odd he is bound to kick 40+ a few times. He also rarely gets outmarked and has elite forward pressure for a tall.

Treacy gets a totally unfair wrap because
a) Amiss is amazing
b) It is not unsual for 20/21yo KPFs to have ordinary returns in the first 3-5 seasons. If he is still doing this in 2025 then its time to move on. We seem to have forgotten this.


The real reason I don't think Naughton will work though is because we probably can't afford the salary.

A good view this! I just think there is a lot of “ifs” with Treacy. Im hoping I eat my words later haha!!

Treacy’s pressure is probably one of the things i love about him.

 

[Swiggy]

1 more year i reckon then maybe. Hold out hope!!!

Plus now would be the time to try considering how bad the dogs have been

He’s not moving west

 

[Joao]

A good view this! I just think there is a lot of “ifs” with Treacy. Im hoping I eat my words later haha!!

Treacy’s pressure is probably one of the things i love about him.

Reason's why Treacy not being prolific isn't a massive deal:

• Always creates a contests
• Great pressure
• Smashes blokes
• We spread the goals pretty well around all the forwards

 

[Polo342]

He’s not moving west

Ill assume you would have some knowledge on it. Bugger bugger!!

 

[gungho]

He is in a team littered with talls and goal kicking mids. Id have him kicking 60-75 goals for us if he came in.

I think Dogga and Treacy can definitely combine for 60.

I'm not trading our entire present and future, and essentially making Treacy a depth player, for Naughton. He's a good player, not an elite player.

Who are these players?

I don't think we can get players of sufficient quality with the picks we have this year. We really don't need B/C graders. We need top end only.

I don't think Treacy is much danger of ever kicking 60 (mind you Josh Jenkins did so who knows), but if he starts to hold 60% of those marks he gets his hands to now, he'll kick 30 no trouble. If he constantly kicks 30odd he is bound to kick 40+ a few times. He also rarely gets outmarked and has elite forward pressure for a tall.

Treacy gets a totally unfair wrap because
a) Amiss is amazing
b) It is not unsual for 20/21yo KPFs to have ordinary returns in the first 3-5 seasons. If he is still doing this in 2025 then its time to move on. We seem to have forgotten this.

In the 2021 off season we got Clark and Brodie (a good defender and pretty good inside mid) for not too much.
What I'm proposing is the same but for a decent forward and wing. It's difficult - but not impossible.

 

[One_Wing]

Lol Liam Reidy is hungry.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

To add to the Treacy love, his field kicking might genuinely be as good as Tex. He's turning into a fantastic "role playing" key forward. I struggle to think of a comparison because I doubt he ever kicks many more than 40 but the net positive he's bringing is more than that. Not the least because you dont have the diminishing returns I think you get having two number 1 KPFs like Blues have with McKay and Curnow

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

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Lol Liam Reidy is hungry.

Obvious troll is obvious. Can see all the blokes having a massive laugh over that

 

[Docker82]

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Lol Liam Reidy is hungry.

Probably just Freo players taking the piss out of Cornes tbh.

 

[apuchar]

To add to the Treacy love, his field kicking might genuinely be as good as Tex. He's turning into a fantastic "role playing" key forward. I struggle to think of a comparison because I doubt he ever kicks many more than 40 but the net positive he's bringing is more than that. Not the least because you dont have the diminishing returns I think you get having two number 1 KPFs like Blues have with McKay and Curnow

He seems to be tracking a bit like a Darcy Fogerty.

 

[Taylor]

Fremantle should make a big move with Sean Darcy

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Sean Darcy

Age

26

Ht

203cm

Wt

111kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

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10.1

3star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.6

4star

CL

2.4

4star

HO

28.8

5star

D

6.8

1star

K

2.0

1star

HB

4.8

3star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

20.3

5star

D

11.4

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

6.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

32.0

5star

this off-season. Either sign him for seven seasons or trade him for overs. I prefer the contract extension route.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

He seems to be tracking a bit like a Darcy Fogerty.

I'm not sure, Fogarty seems a better mark and kick but half the work rate and more selfish? Maybe I need to watch more Adelaide

 

[Swiggy]

Funny how after the Essendon game Kane said on ‘the round so far’ he said he was wrong and Jackson can play forward

 

[Joao]

I'm not sure, Fogarty seems a better mark and kick but half the work rate and more selfish? Maybe I need to watch more Adelaide

Less than half the workrate (although I think he is better than he used to be) but definitely better hands and set shot.

 

[Bender571]

One of the best things about our team is how unreliant we are on any one player other than maybe Amiss. It's probably my favourite part of JL's coaching - he spreads the loads really well. So while I do think we could role with our current forward line, I also think just a touch more class would go a long way.

Ideally, the class forward is the same player as the linebreaking mid but that's probably too much to ask for from pick 20odd.

I think we're pretty reliant on Seong and Brayshaw. They finished 1st and 2nd for total disposals in the AFL this home and away season. Our next best mid, O'Meara, finished 104th (Ryan, Young and Clark were 33rd, 62nd, and 89th). They were also 8th (79%) and 10th (77.4%) for centre bounce attendance percentage (behind 4 ruckman), the highest midfield pair. O'Meara 48th attending 52.4%

 

[GingerDocker]

I might have the purple glasses on, but Treacy is quickly becoming my favourite Freo player.

His work rate for a big 195cm 100kg forward is insane. His ability to impact contests and recover for further contests, particularly tackles is immense.

He's only 21. Watching him bleed purple for the next 10 years is going to be pure joy.

 

[Wizard]

He seems to be tracking a bit like a Darcy Fogerty.

Wooooo easy there big fella.

JT is a good talent, he ain't got shit on Fogarty though.

 

[s_wd6]

Funny how after the Essendon game Kane said on ‘the round so far’ he said he was wrong and Jackson can play forward

Yup. Perfect game to show how effective they both can be in the same team. Jackson had 3 goals and was influential around the ground and Darcy was dominant in the ruck and was the major reason we kicked 4.4 from centre clearances that game. 8 shots directly from the centre is crazy good

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Wooooo easy there big fella.

JT is a good talent, he ain't got s**t on Fogarty though.

Fogarty is two years older and while he's threatened to be something special, he's still not putting it all together yet. "Only" 34 goals this year and he doesnt provide much outside kicking goals. I think Treacy can and will be a bigger positive by the same age

 

[Joao]

I think we're pretty reliant on Seong and Brayshaw. They finished 1st and 2nd for total disposals in the AFL this home and away season. Our next best mid, O'Meara, finished 104th (Ryan, Young and Clark were 33rd, 62nd, and 89th). They were also 8th (79%) and 10th (77.4%) for centre bounce attendance percentage (behind 4 ruckman), the highest midfield pair. O'Meara 48th attending 52.4%

Yes, but I think that will lessen over the next few years with Ras and Johnno.

Also, Brodie would be up there in terms of backup mids.

Also worth mentioning that we play high-possession style and those two played almost every game. I would expect our two highest CBAers to be right up on that one.

 

[rgauci]

Wooooo easy there big fella.

JT is a good talent, he ain't got s**t on Fogarty though.

Disagree, he’s got a tank, can pinch hit in the ruck and has an equally long kick. I think he’ll be better than Darcy Fogarty.

 

[Bender571]

To add to the Treacy love, his field kicking might genuinely be as good as Tex. He's turning into a fantastic "role playing" key forward. I struggle to think of a comparison because I doubt he ever kicks many more than 40 but the net positive he's bringing is more than that. Not the least because you dont have the diminishing returns I think you get having two number 1 KPFs like Blues have with McKay and Curnow

I think he's similar to Mihocek, although Mihocek would still have to wait 4 more years to play AFL when he was 21.

 

[WilloTree]

Our back line needs more work than our forward line.

I know this is clickbait, but here are the stats.

We are currently ranked the No 3 defensive team in the AFL



We are also:
13th ranked offensive team in the AFL
14th for SS/in 50
14th for offensive 1on1s
14th for Marks inside 50

It's clear why we finished 14th.