List Mgmt. 2023 List Management thread

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mod notice after Mr Bob did a lot of annoying work in moving days of posts out of here. As we are heading into offseason, this thread is for 2023 list management only. Getting upset on previous trades can be taken to the vent thread. Lets keep this thread on track in the part of the year it's actually relevant

 

[Taylor]

I never said he won't be solid depth player, I just stated my opinion, in that you don't trade first round or early 2nd round picks during a rebuild for at best, a B grade player.

You need A graders, not B graders to win a flag.

FYI - once we get the 5 or 6 A graders you need, then I would be happy to bring someone like Clark in, but not during a rebuild.



Clark is very unlikely to be the difference between us winning a flag, but another A grader could be.

Clark is exactly the sort of player who would win us a flag, we just need the full team defense to force the long kick and then the key defenders to force the spillage and his run off the back line will turn into goals for us.

Clark's speed and line breaking is a weapon that will get more valuable when we are more controlling in the middle of the ground.

Consider the confidence he will have to run off his man forward for the handball receive when our midfield is dominant. That's where it tips really, really fast.

Suddenly Clark will be tagged, as he was last year, for the exact reason I'm saying here.

 

[Van_Dyke]

we traded pick 22 for Clark which Geelong used to get Toby Conway, a developing ruck. there's not a player in that draft taken after pick 22 that'd have more impact on our side right now then Clark, someone who can easily become an A grader.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

If the shoe was on the other foot here, do you think we would get that deal from port Adelaide? Not a hope.
Imagine we had pick 11 that everyone knew was going to slide to 14 (due to Thomas, Blakey and Quaynor bids) and we wanted to get up to pick 6?
Port would just tell us to F off if our first wasn’t included. They wouldn’t even entertain a conversation. They were pretty decent at the time too and the F1 was a teens pick.
It doesn’t matter what people thought at the time - we swapped the rights to draft Ben King for 3 fringe/role players.
It’s a great example why the first few picks in the draft are so valuable.

Here’s a better illustration. Just think last year when we had pick 13 for example and melb wanted an early first for LJ. Why didn’t we just do what port did? Trade pick 13 and a couple of seconds in the 20s for pick 6 and then be done with it? Give melb pick 6 for LJ and no F1 involved?
I’ll tell you why - no one would be silly enough to give us that deal.

I think that ignores what the point of the trade was though, it was to break up the pick to make it easier to get everything else done. For what we wanted to accomplish, the trade wasnt a problem. Saints did similar things during their big trading spree a few years ago. The issue was in the whole approach to start off with, we didnt recognise where we were at in the lists life cycle

So the problem is what we got for that trade, it's that we wanted to break it up in the first place. I'd kill to have an upfront and honest conversation with Bell to talk about lessons learned about the last 6-8 years. Do the people in charge recognise that a club like Freo doesnt have the option to restump / replumb ilke a Geelong does? Hell, even Hawks and Richmond are finding out that option is ****ing hard to pull off. To win a flag, this club has to go through a full 6-8 years of using top picks on nothing but nothing top end talent and bring in the Clark's and Aish's of the world with picks below 20.

 

[Joao]

We have such a diabolical trade history, why would you go after one of the actual good ones? If Clark trade outcome was the norm we'd probably have won a flag by now.

 

[Taylor]

From memory we had pick #6 and then nothing until about pick eighty-five.

 

[Tonga Bob]

Kosi Pickett's out as a trade option. Not sure if he was ever an option but still.

Four more years: Dees livewire re-signs

Kozzy Pickett has signed a four-year contract extension to stay at Melbourne

www.afl.com.au

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

we traded pick 22 for Clark which Geelong used to get Toby Conway, a developing ruck. there's not a player in that draft taken after pick 22 that'd have more impact on our side right now then Clark, someone who can easily become an A grader.

There is no one in this lot I'd rather on our list than Clark. And the only ones I see with the potential to be as good a player (that arent FS or Academy) are Motlop (who I think is always going to be held back by his speed), Soligo, Sonsie and Curtis at a stretch

 

[Dale147]

Youngy

 

[Lach72]

Poor defensively, good offensively.

Young is an A grader, Clark is not.

Cost us a few goals on the weekend by losing his man

God this is horse shit.

Clark is playing so much better than Young it’s not funny

 

[Ge3ks]

Clark has been a fantastic pickup and he was easily the BoG on Saturday.

 

[poshman]

God this is horse s**t.

Clark is playing so much better than Young it’s not funny

Miles better than Young on form this season.

 

[Dale147]

Player retentions

 

[sumavich]

That's a very good article Dale, thanks.
This should be defended by the people at the club responsible. Bell, I'm talking about you.
We are like an AFL backed expansion team with the numbers mentioned in that article.
PS Clark has been an excellent pick up

 

[Spirit Level]

If Motlop doesn't sign on with Carlton what is he worth at years end trade wise

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

If Motlop doesn't sign on with Carlton what is he worth at years end trade wise

Norths 2nd probably

 

[Docker82]

“Solid depth”? Are you hitting the pipe?

Wtf is a “a grader” by your terminology? Fyfe? Mundy? We didn’t get either of these after pick 20.

Clark was traded in at the end of 2021, we’d been rebuilding for six years by that point. If we screwed up the rebuild this has nothing to do with the Clark trade.

Not to mention the three top 21 picks we had that year anyway.

Our 2021 off season outside of perhaps using a National Draft pick on Benning will end up being one of the best off seasons we've ever had. Why anyone would want to question that is beyond me.

We need to learn from what we've done right not just what we've done wrong.

 

[Bastyy]

If any trade is going to be the reason we fail this rebuild it definitely won't be the Clark build. I would trade pick 21 for Clark's output any day of the week

 

[freo1997]

Norths 2nd probably

Wait we still have Norths 2nd???

 

[gungho]

Clark, Aish and Brodie are the 3 trades that you could say have worked.
Interestingly, huge amounts of draft capital was not spent on any of them.
Clark is a gun. Aish and Brodie are a rung behind, but still good AFL players (just out of form like the rest of the team)

 

[goal hungry]

Youngy

I like young but he reminds me of Michael Gale.


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[David Bubb]

*Yes I know we were forced to take him there because of Carlton - but imagine if he'd come on anywhere near as much as Green/Pickett. He really should be a lock in our best 22 by now.

 

[Tbonefreo]

Are we wasting Young? I get the feeling at another club he would have a bigger impact. He's rarely used on the run, drives me up the wall.

**** this season. **** Bell and Co. **** walls, **** jlo, **** the lot of them

And most of all **** Jesse Hogan

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Jesse Hogan

Age

29

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.0

4star

K

9.3

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.4

5star

T

1.4

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

10.3

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.3

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

0.0

1star

G

0.0

1star

D

13.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

6.4

5star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.8

5star

the maggot.

 

[Ge3ks]

*Yes I know we were forced to take him there because of Carlton - but imagine if he'd come on anywhere near as much as Green/Pickett

What was our actual next pick in that draft?

 

[Ge3ks]

* this season. * Bell and Co. * walls, * jlo, * the lot of them

 

[apuchar]

Are we wasting Young? I get the feeling at another club he would have a bigger impact. He's rarely used on the run, drives me up the wall.

* this season. * Bell and Co. * walls, * jlo, * the lot of them

And most of all * Jesse Hogan the maggot.

He said again in an interview today that he wants to develop his footy at half back for now. Clearly doesn't want to move out of his comfort zone at the moment or maybe just wants to master one area at the level first before expanding his range. He still has a lot of improvement to do in the backline but I think the team could cover him in the backline. He is needed more elsewhere.