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They're different types though, I'd say more forward pockets rather than the half-forward types I'm talking about.
Durdin and Fog can also play in our forwardline, but none of them provide what Cunners and Martin do.
It’s the stronger bodied midfielders that provide the right mix of inside/outside speed endurance pressure and run who can also kick goals, the modern day midfielder…
Hollands and Binns are looking great in their first years, both very lean body types…
i like Hollands he will eventually rotate through the midfield, frame wise will fill out only a bit more, he’s a very smart ball winner with great endurance and a fairly reliable kick which still needs work, not slow but not that super quick speed we need…
Binns will be a full time winger, who can play across the flanks as well, speed reasonable, maybe with more development he could very well translate into playing as a midfielder, time will tell…
Carroll I’m just quite sure on, has a couple of nice traits, not overly quick more smart around stoppages can either step in/out of traffic or feed it off to teammates and reads the game well, only young and has had a few injuries setbacks, disposal can let him down…
In the reserves if we had a full list to choose from then we have these midfielders forwards wingers defenders coming through, not much depth atm and a few that will be delisted traded and retired…
Dow (Motlop) O’Brien (Fogarty)(Hollands) Carroll (Durdin) Fisher (Cowan) (Binns) Philp EdCurnow Honey (Cincotta) (Owies)
Brackets will all be on the list next year, you would think…
I think Carlton respects or not, he is a cultural and footballing liability of the highest order. I would claim it does become a footballing matter. You cough up for him, bring him into the program and then you have another revenge pr0n episode or another sexual violence charge. (Just writing that.. FMD) levelled at him disaster, distraction to the playing group and on top of that a huge what if that you will ever get him to commit to the footy program to the level we are chasing. Turn around stories are the rarity in these situations. Personally not worth the risk on numerous fronts. No doubting his talent but he is next level of risk.
Yes
Maybe ish
Yes, but too pricey
Full medical before considering, but probaby no
Really underrated, plays both ends, massive tank
Wanted him as a UFA last year
No, cooked
Like him alot
No
Full circle, the right type
YES!!! Would be too pricey
Nah, similar to Pitto
Like him
Same
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Daniel Hoyne from Champion Data does a weekly segment on SEN. He brought up some stats on Gresham last nite that were a little frightening, especially the last 6 weeks or so where his form has dropped off completely. FWIW, his advice to potential suitors was "buyer beware." I tend to think if we get him across as a FA, it'll be similar to the Hewett deal where it won't be big $$.
I wouldn't be surprised though if we look to split our future 1st into a 2023 and 2024 2nd round pick. Either that, or we target a player and offer our future 1st, with some change coming back for 2024.
I'd still like to think we'd be looking at Elijah Hollands with that 1st.....although he's now getting games under the interim coach, whereas he was reportedly on the outer under Dew - probably a bit like our own Paddy. On Whately's program a few weeks ago, he suggested that the challenge for GCS is to get Hollands to fall back in love with the club....Kingy suggested that GCS needs to keep him away from his little brother over the Xmas holidays
The other I'm hoping we're sniffing around is Noah Cumberland...or even Ollie Dempsey. Give those dirty rotten poaching Cats a bit of their own medicine!!
Also, who we trade in could influence the type of player we'll be looking to draft. So if we end up trading in say a Gresham and/or Cumberland, we may look at going tall with our 1st pick in the ND.
Going to put Gresham’s form down to the fact that he’s checked out. I do agree the numbers are worrying and he’s not passing the eye test but he’s worth a punt as he is a type we need, and his best is very good. Good chance to buy low.
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Daniel Hoyne from Champion Data does a weekly segment on SEN. He brought up some stats on Gresham last nite that were a little frightening, especially the last 6 weeks or so where his form has dropped off completely. FWIW, his advice to potential suitors was "buyer beware." I tend to think if we get him across as a FA, it'll be similar to the Hewett deal where it won't be big $$.
I wouldn't be surprised though if we look to split our future 1st into a 2023 and 2024 2nd round pick. Either that, or we target a player and offer our future 1st, with some change coming back for 2024.
I'd still like to think we'd be looking at Elijah Hollands with that 1st.....although he's now getting games under the interim coach, whereas he was reportedly on the outer under Dew - probably a bit like our own Paddy. On Whately's program a few weeks ago, he suggested that the challenge for GCS is to get Hollands to fall back in love with the club....Kingy suggested that GCS needs to keep him away from his little brother over the Xmas holidays
The other I'm hoping we're sniffing around is Noah Cumberland...or even Ollie Dempsey. Give those dirty rotten poaching Cats a bit of their own medicine!!
Also, who we trade in could influence the type of player we'll be looking to draft. So if we end up trading in say a Gresham and/or Cumberland, we may look at going tall with our 1st pick in the ND.
I’d be surprised if Hollands cost more than a 3rd rounder, GC will need to bring in picks for their academy players, I think they will be big players come trade time.
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Bailey Williams from the Dogs is too vanilla for my taste. Not a bad player at all, but i don't think he could add anything of vslue/significance to our list.
Gresham does have an exciting x factor about him that intrigues me (provided he can stay healthy)
Gresham does have an exciting x factor about him that intrigues me (provided he can stay healthy)
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What makes you think Williams would be too pricey? I haven’t looked but I assume he’s UFA.
What do you think he would cost?
Think he would have plenty of suitors, quick, great by foot, plays all 3 arcs
Not sure about a 3rd rounder, but they'll need to make space for their academy players. It appears that him and Dew were miles apart for whatever reason, so it may depend on who the new coach is, and how invested he is with the Suns. I'd be fine to give up a future 1st if there's a future 2nd heading back our way.
He's still contracted so they'll have the final say....but when he's up and about, he's all class.....and we're desperately in need of another true mid/forward.
If he wasn't Ollie's brother, would you be as keen BH?
Think he is a neat player, but not the type we really need
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Maybe plenty of suitors but that doesn’t translate to big $$$
I’m sure Hewett had a few suitors, yet we are supposedly paying him around $400,000 per year.
I don’t really know much about Williams but he doesn’t seem to be in the Dogs best 10, so I’m curious as to what you mean by, too pricey?
As in what you think will need to be offered?
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Motlop will be a very special player in a year or 2. I didn't realise he was that good overhead.
As for the half forward role, I feel Williams will be the guy that can play there next year. I hope the coaches do as well.
Depends which and how many clubs take interest
Heard Hewett was on 450K, so there about, but Williams is what I would call more a modern day type, certainly a great fit for us needs wise
Dogs do have similar types that are ahead of him, Bont, Smith, even Treloar
Then they balance the cap with cheaper types
Williams just may want to stay at the Dogs for unders, but in an open market, he could increase his salary by half
Or, if he does move, might want to stay with a finals contender
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Don’t disagree with any of this, but nothing yet is giving too pricey vibes.
By too pricey do you mean he’s not good enough to warrant a $500,000 deal if that’s what it would take?
I’m interested to know peoples thoughts on what they think it will cost to get him and Williams from Port?
Think he will get offers of 600K
Think he stays at Port, but around 350K?
The way I see Elijah Hollands is another of those players who's immensely talented but they're career has been stifled up on the Gold Coast for whatever reason. It appears that his has been stifled by the previous coach through lack of opportunity or support, which would sap the confidence of most young players.
I'll admit that I haven't seen much of him over the past year, but could be that type of player who could blossom at a bigger club with a passionate supporter base, and still only 21yo so has lots of room for improvement. I reckon we're in the market for a young creative mid/forward - as much as I love Cunners and Martin in that role, we don't have any depth in this position - and those 2 are a week to week proposition.
No, it's not so much that he's Ollie's brother, moreso than just having the tenuous link there that may attract him to the club.
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He has definitely been a very good player if not a gun in the past.
A player who would instantly be our best half forward flanker who can also run through the middle, who fits our age profile perfectly, who will cost no drafts assets, is a no brainer.
Can see why people are cautious but it is a reasonable risk to take as long as we don’t pay overs. By the sounds of it we won’t.
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