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[Wickzki]

What????

He can’t say anything complimentary about his old club doing well, whilst at the same time give his commitment to his current club? If that is even required given that his current club is finished for the season.

Nah he is a grumpy curmudgeon and I think it’s says a fair bit.

At least he won’t have to worry about whether he turns up to celebrate with premier teammates etc…


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That's a pretty shitty thing to say

Love and appreciate everything that Simmo gave to the Carlton Football Club

I also don't have an issue with him having a personal grudge against the club. After all He was pushed and forced into retirement when he wanted to give the club one more year.

He then sat and watched as we gave another veteran one or two additional years that he was performing better than just to ensure that he got till the milestone game. Simmo missed one last milestone and would have finished second in our all time games plated list.

Personally, I find it kind of distasteful that we pushed Simmo into retirement and had a gaping hole on the wing until we signed Blake Acres. Simmo wasn't even preventing the development of anyone in our current team. He could have quite easily have played another season and been a valuable contributor retaining his place on merit.

He's also entitled to his professional opinion.

 

[lily of laguna]

This reads as though you are happy that we didn't win any premierships whilst he played as some sort of punishment. Seems a bit weird?

Once again, he gave his all for the club when he played. He owes carlton nothing.

Well I guess you’re reading it wrong then!!

It has nothing to do with him owing anyone anything.

It just a simple matter of being decent.


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[lily of laguna]

That's a pretty shitty thing to say

Love and appreciate everything that Simmo gave to the Carlton Football Club

I also don't have an issue with him having a personal grudge against the club. After all He was pushed and forced into retirement when he wanted to give the club one more year.

He then sat and watched as we gave another veteran one or two additional years that he was performing better than just to ensure that he got till the milestone game. Simmo missed one last milestone and would have finished second in our all time games plated list.

Personally, I find it kind of distasteful that we pushed Simmo into retirement and had a gaping hole on the wing until we signed Blake Acres. Simmo wasn't even preventing the development of anyone in our current team. He could have quite easily have played another season and been a valuable contributor retaining his place on merit.

He's also entitled to his professional opinion.

Not sure why you think it was a ‘shitty’ thing to say.

If he is having trouble even saying a passing comment of positivity about his former club, I don’t think he would enjoy having to participate in a club event anytime soon.

Didn’t he also continue on as a AFLW coach after he finished up?

You can have a professional opinion and be diplomatic at the same time.

It’s been a few years and the club has changed since he was around.




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[Sin City]

I'd take him in a heartbeat.

He's always been on the outer at GCS under Dew, which must drain your confidence as a kid making your way into the AFL arena. For mine, a new opportunity at a bigger club where he has senior mentors and a support crew, could see him blossom into the player he was touted to become.

"In terms of what he offers a club, the list is vast. Up forward, he is hard to beat as one of those medium-tall forwards who is just the right size to match it with talls or smalls. Against key position types he is too quick, and against smalls he is too strong. His body positioning in marking contests is terrific and has been known to hold off an opponent, protect the ball drop zone and even take it one-handed - such is his reading of the ball in a contest.

At ground level, Hollands is clean and able to grab it in one take, and more importantly, can instantly switch into defence mode with a high tackle count to accompany his offensive traits. His goal sense is arguably the best in the draft crop, being one of those players that can turn on a dime and slam home a goal from just inside 50."

Elijah Hollands Draft Profile

Elijah Hollands is an incredibly talented forward-midfielder who oozes X-factor and some terrific traits, but is recovering from an ACL injury.

central.rookieme.com

He's primarily a mid/half forward, which is an area of need on our list profile. I know this is a highlights package, but you don't just lose these skills overnight.

This is spot on. He’s a half forward/mid like our Cuningham that can’t get a spot there because the Suns are very well off in those positions so they tried to make him into a wingman which has been a dismal failure.

No different to trying to turn Paddy Dow into a small forward, Shaun Hampson into a KPF or Brad Scott into a coach.

Hollands showed a fair bit as a HF last year. Will do well when he plays there permanently.

 

[Coona Blues]

This is spot on. He’s a half forward/mid like our Cuningham that can’t get a spot there because the Suns are very well off in those positions so they tried to make him into a wingman which has been a dismal failure.

No different to trying to turn Paddy Dow into a small forward, Shaun Hampson into a KPF or Brad Scott into a coach.

Hollands showed a fair bit as a HF last year. Will do well when he plays there permanently.

Agree. I don’t see the forward/mid hybrid POD type that many want in this year’s draft. Hollands, E. was just that player at draft time, and I absolutely he was developed as a “solid citizen” as opposed to being encouraged to take the game on. Similarly Ben Ainsworth, another X factor forward type has been turned in to a work horse at the Suns. Ainsworth is a great contributor, and has come on better than E.H. but I believe both would be better if encouraged to “play to their strengths”.

Not sure how we satisfy Gold Coast, pick wise, but certainly a decent option.

I want a young KPD and a mid option feom the draft, neither have to be with our first pick. Happy to take a Hollands type through trade if can be arranged. (I like Tholstrup and Sanchez from WA as options if we do want to look at drafting a forward option. Very different players, but both with some point of difference traits and skills)

 

[Wickzki]

Bamboo, Sin and Coona are all spot on when it comes to Elijah. I'm going to stay out of debating his addition to the club due to personal bias, but he's a great young guy that is well liked by his teammates and under the right coaching will transform his career.

I think it comes down to opportunity cost as it does with most players. The GC may even choose to retain him and with Dimma It may just be what he needs to turn the corner. A different perspective would help him dramatically whether it be there or elsewhere. Needs a coach that has a particular spot in the game plan for him to thrive instead of trying to put a square pag in a round hole.

Lots of potential and genuine ability there. That much is undebatable.

 

[BigFrizz36]

This is spot on. He’s a half forward/mid like our Cuningham that can’t get a spot there because the Suns are very well off in those positions so they tried to make him into a wingman which has been a dismal failure.

No different to trying to turn Paddy Dow into a small forward, Shaun Hampson into a KPF or Brad Scott into a coach.

Hollands showed a fair bit as a HF last year. Will do well when he plays there permanently.

Liked for the Brad Scott drive by backhander.

 

[FoeverBlues]

This is spot on. He’s a half forward/mid like our Cuningham that can’t get a spot there because the Suns are very well off in those positions so they tried to make him into a wingman which has been a dismal failure.

No different to trying to turn Paddy Dow into a small forward, Shaun Hampson into a KPF or Brad Scott into a coach.

Hollands showed a fair bit as a HF last year. Will do well when he plays there permanently.

to turn Brad Scott into a coach.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

If Fisher is wanting to move on for better opportunities, then I’d be turning that pick which should be (30’s) into Hollands, who would be rated around the mark of a mid second/possibly very early third round trade pick atm…
He has a ton of upside, and as mentioned before and above by a few others is a young talented medium forward/midfielder who has not flourished in his time up there for various reasons, we virtually have bugger all of his type list wise or developing/coming through…

E. Hollands 21yrs April 188cm 86kg
#7 2020 Draft 14 games 8 goals

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

If Fisher is wanting to move on for better opportunities, then I’d be turning that pick which should be (30’s) into Hollands, who would be rated around the mark of a mid second/possibly very early third round trade pick atm…
He has a ton of upside, and as mentioned before and above by a few others is a young talented medium forward/midfielder who has not flourished in his time up there for various reasons, we virtually have bugger all of his type list wise or developing/coming through…

E. Hollands 21yrs April 188cm 86kg
#7 2020 Draft 14 games 8 goals

He's a good size, hadn't realised.....

Will Ollie grow more?

Draft Central was clearly a big fan!

Elijah Hollands Draft Profile

Elijah Hollands is an incredibly talented forward-midfielder who oozes X-factor and some terrific traits, but is recovering from an ACL injury.

central.rookieme.com

 

[Wickzki]

He's a good size, hadn't realised.....

Will Ollie grow more?

Draft Central was clearly a big fan!

Elijah a bit bigger than Ollie. Not uncommon to grow an inch or two between the ages of 18 and 21. I suspect we're looking at about 186 for Ollie when he's fully developed.

 

[agro]

That's a pretty shitty thing to say

Love and appreciate everything that Simmo gave to the Carlton Football Club

I also don't have an issue with him having a personal grudge against the club. After all He was pushed and forced into retirement when he wanted to give the club one more year.

He then sat and watched as we gave another veteran one or two additional years that he was performing better than just to ensure that he got till the milestone game. Simmo missed one last milestone and would have finished second in our all time games plated list.

Personally, I find it kind of distasteful that we pushed Simmo into retirement and had a gaping hole on the wing until we signed Blake Acres. Simmo wasn't even preventing the development of anyone in our current team. He could have quite easily have played another season and been a valuable contributor retaining his place on merit.

He's also entitled to his professional opinion.

Agree here - he was an excellent servant of the club - but just like another 300 game legend of the club didn’t have a great rapport with the fan base off the field.

As the saying goes “you should never meet your heroes as sometimes you’ll be disappointed”.

 

[Wickzki]

Agree here - he was an excellent servant of the club - but just like another 300 game legend of the club didn’t have a great rapport with the fan base off the field.

As the saying goes “you should never meet your heroes as sometimes you’ll be disappointed”.

This isn't completely unexpected. I'm not sure of the validity of the rumors and I can't recall whether they were ever mentioned or discussed here but there were rumours that he wasn't the easiest teammate to get along with and it may have played a part in why he was overlooked when the captaincy came up and Murphy was chosen.

Marc was always the more natural people person with teammates but also fans and media which is an important component of a club leader (on and off field) (as much as both of the end of their careers is open to debate).

 

[BlueJet]

For some people it's just a job, too.
I'm sure plenty of us aren't exactly championing our former employers cause, especially whilst working for a direct competitor.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

He's a good size, hadn't realised.....

Will Ollie grow more?

Draft Central was clearly a big fan!

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Elijah Hollands Draft Profile

Elijah Hollands is an incredibly talented forward-midfielder who oozes X-factor and some terrific traits, but is recovering from an ACL injury.

central.rookieme.com

Different players physically as much as they are with their football abilities as well, Ollie will need to naturally put some more size on but will never have the physical attributes of his brother, who is naturally a more heavier set powerful player…

 

[branedotorg]

This isn't completely unexpected. I'm not sure of the validity of the rumors and I can't recall whether they were ever mentioned or discussed here but there were rumours that he wasn't the easiest teammate to get along with and it may have played a part in why he was overlooked when the captaincy came up and Murphy was chosen.

Marc was always the more natural people person with teammates but also fans and media which is an important component of a club leader (on and off field) (as much as both of the end of their careers is open to debate).

Which is exactly why I when I first mentioned the interview I said I wasn't surprised.

I think his closest friend at the club was Brad fisher, another who may have mixed feelings about the way the club ended his career.

 

[gandaal]

Sometimes a job is just a job. To many footballers this is just a job, and when you move on there's no real emotional ties left... Especially when you never experienced any real success.

 

[gbatman]

Half forward is an interesting position. We are OK here but not great. Fogarty is a good pressure forward but kicking is suspect and rarely kicks goals. Cuningham is a bit better.

Where the major value is is the ability to go into middle and to play high and find the footy.

I think a missing piece in our team is a forward who is a really good forward but can go into the middle and have a BIG impact, not just absorb minutes. But also provide pressure up front as well.

The forward/ruck is an interesting one, is it Silvagni? I'm happy with that, he's pretty good at it.

 

[DangerousD]

I am hoping the club is looking at players like Hollands who are struggling to cement a position at their current clubs, but i am struggling to place a realistic trade value on him.

For a player to only have managed 14 games in 3 seasons (1 lost due to injury) is a concern and one that wouldn’t have me offering much in terms of a trade. Hollands hasn’t shown anything to warrant even a 2nd round pick.

Everyone is aware of GC draft position, they need to trade their pick or lose it matching their top rated academy player and need points to pay for the rest, its been reported they have told clubs Hollands is available, the problem for GC is Hollands can now choose who he wants to play for and GC need to accept what they’re offered or keep him.

If he were to nominate us, i dont see GC being able to ask for anything more than a 3rd round pick.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

I am hoping the club is looking at players like Hollands who are struggling to cement a position at their current clubs, but i am struggling to place a realistic trade value on him.

For a player to only have managed 14 games in 3 seasons (1 lost due to injury) is a concern and one that wouldn’t have me offering much in terms of a trade. Hollands hasn’t shown anything to warrant even a 2nd round pick.

Everyone is aware of GC draft position, they need to trade their pick or lose it matching their top rated academy player and need points to pay for the rest, its been reported they have told clubs Hollands is available, the problem for GC is Hollands can now choose who he wants to play for and GC need to accept what they’re offered or keep him.

If he were to nominate us, i dont see GC being able to ask for anything more than a 3rd round pick.

GCS are in a position where they need list spots as well as points for the academy boys - although by some reports they may not need a lot more points to secure them. Either way, getting Hollands off their books does give them a list spot and possible salary relief. Trading their 1st round pick to secure the points without going into deficit would pretty much be separate to this trade request, as much as GCS would probably like it to be tied in.

Hollands is still contracted which does give GCS some leverage, but if he does select Carlton, a deal should fairly easily be secured. A 3rd rounder unlikely to cut it, but a possible future pick upgrade may.

 

[DangerousD]

GCS are in a position where they need list spots as well as points for the academy boys - although by some reports they may not need a lot more points to secure them. Either way, getting Hollands off their books does give them a list spot and possible salary relief. Trading their 1st round pick to secure the points without going into deficit would pretty much be separate to this trade request, as much as GCS would probably like it to be tied in.

Hollands is still contracted which does give GCS some leverage, but if he does select Carlton, a deal should fairly easily be secured. A 3rd rounder unlikely to cut it, but a possible future pick upgrade may.

Do GC still have the extra list spots they need to shed? I think clubs lose most of their leverage when they are the ones pushing a player out the door.

 

[Lace_Out]

Son of a legend signed sealed and delivered announcement end of the week or early next week..................

Heard the same thing tonight from someone with contacts at the club.

Going nowhere.

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[SkyhorseTamer]

Unless E.Hollands finds his junior years explosiveness again I'd pass. Dunno what they've done to him at the Suns but he is a shell of himself these days.

Didn't know much about him. Have been watching recently and did some research. Seems they tried to turn him into a winger and by increasing his running capacity he sacrificed explosiveness for endurance and has found himself not good enough at either. That's my take anyway

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Didn't know much about him. Have been watching recently and did some research. Seems they tried to turn him into a winger and by increasing his running capacity he sacrificed explosiveness for endurance and has found himself not good enough at either. That's my take anyway

Seems like it but he's lost his cleanliness too. Hands and Kicking taken a considerable dip this year. A fresh start may be what he needs but wouldn't be confident he ends up getting back to what most saw him becoming in his junior years. Biggest thing he needs is his confidence back either way, looks timid at AFL level.

 

[Arr0w]

Not sure E Hollands is the type we need

I would look at a more explosive type