thylacine60
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Oh ****. The hindsight drafting brigade at it again. There's a fruitful past-time.
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The irony is, SOS picked brilliantly in 2015 when we didn't have a recruiting manager.You're right, both were taken early teens.
Pickett looks a genuine star small forward...already a premiership winner and torched the Dogs tonight with 4 goals. That is a HUGE blunder by SOS and the team...imagine Pickett on our list instead of Philp and Kemp. He was there and they chose to trade down the order...this one hurts.
Our drafting under SOS is pretty terrible reading except for 2015. Our first 2 picks that haven't had much impact include Dow, SPS, Stocker, Philp and Kemp. LOB and Fish as well are on the fringe. After 2015 the only win is Walsh and he was an obvious guaranteed star.
Reckon this team can win a Premiership?
One of the greatest coaching feats I've ever seen.Reckon this team can win a Premiership?
Not at all.Completely irrelevant to the team I commented on.
Talent yes, balance I'd argue no.Not at all.
We have enough talent, that's not our issue.
I don't get it. You confidently predicted that Richmond would be top 4 this year a couple of weeks ago. You also stated that they would defeat us by 17 points because they had fixed their midfield.Manipulating arguments, deflecting again
You said we are 2 to 3 players short
Then you bat for the other side and say 15 changes.I don't care about changes, it is finding minimum 10 good players
You are more invested in fudging a stance to allow yourself the opportunity to move away from your original statement, to protect your ego, than having a firm constructive opinion.
Talent yes, balance I'd argue no.
I have full faith in the list management team currently with us. I just enjoy speculating on who they may target. It's one of my favourite pastimes along with telling Bulldogs/Pies fans how insufferable they are.Our new coaching and list management team have thankfully identified our weaknesses and gone to work...but it'll take a bit of time.
Drafted Durdin and Motlop for our small forward weaknesses.
Drafted kids who can run like Hollands...too many of our early midfield picks under SOS don't have the running power required (Dow, SPS, Stocker, Fish etc).
Brought in Acres for a wing position.
It's not crazy to point out that dow, SPS, stocker, kemp, philp, LOB, fisher, cuningham (for various reasons) all haven't progressed anywhere near expected from draft picks inside 30.Oh *. The hindsight drafting brigade at it again. There's a fruitful past-time.
You are tricky bastard, changing the argumentNo, I only bat for one side Michael
Will break it down for you, shits and giggles
If we had Daniel Rioli, Charlie Cameron and Connor Rozee, 3 players, do you think we are 10 good players away from contending?
Read my list that we need to replace. IT is not arbitrary 10 playersI don't get it. You confidently predicted that Richmond would be top 4 this year a couple of weeks ago. You also stated that they would defeat us by 17 points because they had fixed their midfield.
So we should have beaten them and had two points snatched away from us so by your calculations based on a small sample size we are the equivalent of a top 4 team.
However we now need 10 players to win a premiership (interestingly five or 6 may already be on our list in Walsh, Durdin, Cottrell, Williams, Lemmy, Boyd and even O'Keeffe).
So if we say four of them are included we then need to trade or pick up 3 free agents and draft 3 players to be a premiership team. Seems a very arbitrary figure to me. Also one that wouldn't be too hard to achieve.
Do "top 4 bound" Richmond also require 10 new players to enable them to win a flag?
If we had Daniel Rioli, Charlie Cameron and Connor Rozee, 3 players, do you think we are 10 good players away from contending?
So what would you prefer? Work through it with meTheir cost is irrelevant.
Both on bare minimum wage. It was and is worth the risk in 2023 to have them on the list this year. If their bodies fail, will be gone at the end of this year.
If we cut them, what would we have traded for direct replacements?IMO their cost should not be measured by their wage but rather time, the list spot and lack of availability this year.
If we’d cut our losses with Cunners and Marchy at the end of last year and traded for direct replacements then right now we would have options to replace Fisher after his shocker on Thursday night.
So... at the end of 2022, what is your alternative? People keep saying we can't keep injured players but give no real thought to the next step.IMO their cost should not be measured by their wage but rather time, the list spot and lack of availability this year.
Not having them available for most of the season means another year of relying on Fisher and Martin to play half forward because Cunners isn’t an option to replace them if/when either have drops in form. It’s also another year of hoping that Gov doesn’t break down otherwise it’s back to Plowman we go for the third defender role. If we’d cut our losses with Cunners and Marchy at the end of last year and traded for direct replacements then right now we would have options to replace Fisher after his shocker on Thursday night. Instead we are essentially stuck with having to pick Fisher for good or bad pretty much for the rest of this year unless Cunners can get back or we try something risk like playing Honey or Dow in the role. Imagine if Gov breaks down and we have to go back to Plowman?!?
My fear is every year we delay the inevitable on these guys is a year we lose in our window for success.
Their cost is irrelevant.
I still see big changes coming this year and I just don't see TDK as a ruck nor forwardPlayers Still OOC...
Cincotta, Kemp, Marchbank, Akuei, Curnow, O'Keeffe, Silvagni, Motlop, Honey, Fogarty,
Plowman, Pittonet, McGovern, Newman, Dow, Big Durdin, Philp & De Koning...
Priority
Motlop
Rest
Need to prove themselves this year
Trade Bait
De Koning, Silvagni, Kemp & McGovern
Players Still OOC...
Cincotta, Kemp, Marchbank, Akuei, Curnow, O'Keeffe, Silvagni, Motlop, Honey, Fogarty,
Plowman, Pittonet, McGovern, Newman, Dow, Big Durdin, Philp & De Koning...
Priority
Motlop
Rest
Need to prove themselves this year
Trade Bait
De Koning, Silvagni, Kemp & McGovern
If we cut them, what would we have traded for direct replacements?
We would have had a pick in the 60s and another in the 70s. Almost certainly we spend one of those on O'Keefe. So really just gives us an extra spot for an SSP replacement
You wouldn't get much for Kemp or Gov
One yet to establish himself, but has upside. Other can't stay on the park and 29 next year.
I would play Gov forward if Kemp comes on or Marchbank stays on the park
"Always available to play"?A pick in the 60's or 70's or a fringe player trade, that are always available to play...
Would be much more beneficial to us, than talented players who are continually injured for years...