Review 2023 National Draft Review Thread II [McKercher, Z.Duursma, Goad, W.Dawson, Hardeman, Maley]

[Luke72]

They would only live trade with GWS at 7 if Curtin was still on the board, makes no sense otherwise.

So do we take Curtin early and then trade the teens picks with GWS? If they are down to one suitor we should get a better deal

 

[The Nostradamus]

Our pick swaps to look out for

15 and 18 for either cats pick 8 or gws 7

For dons pick 9 I’d do 17 and 18

Swans pick 12 doesn’t really seem worth moving up to but it would be something like 12 and 45 for 17,18,57

 

[Val Keating]

AFL gives them pick 11 next year, happy days.

They should get picks they have to trade and extra rookie spots like we did last year.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Our pick swaps to look out for

15 and 18 for either cats pick 8 or gws 7

For dons pick 9 I’d do 17 and 18

Swans pick 12 doesn’t really seem worth moving up to but it would be something like 12 and 45 for 17,18,57

I’d do 15 and 17 for 7 or 8 if either Curtin or Watson are still available there.

 

[choppy]

I agree. Though I think this is another reason to go Curtin, as he is rare tall with excellent foot skills. Or if we take Duursma, he may be playing back. It will be interesting to see how we organise the backline next year. I assume it will be some sort of zone, but who is in it is a bit of a mystery.

Dursma will not play back he is the next generation tall marking half forward. The way he moves and the way he marks at its peak and his Allround skills reminds me of an 18 yo who I saw debut in Round 11 1989.

He will play on a half fwd flank as the 3rd tall with Larkey and the resting shit truck Xerri/CCJ and kick 50 goals a year. Curtis as the regular pocket and Zurhaar with George Thomas Stephenson et al rotating through

Dursma sets up the modern forward line for the next 10 years.

 

[Souup]

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I’ve had my choices set for awhile for all picks while most flip flop in theirs

This is not something to be proud of

 

[JGreezy]

They should get picks they have to trade and extra rookie spots like we did last year.

They really shouldn't get anything until they've fired everybody.

We replaced almost everyone, from top to bottom, who put us in this spot and then the new people asked for AFL help to fix the situation that others made.

They surely can't ruin their list and then the same people come to the AFL for help.

Assistance should be the last option, not the first.

 

[The Nostradamus]

This is not something to be proud of

What’s amusing is people flip flopping after all games have been played and testing done

Nothing has changed in the last month
Yet some think some players have shot up the rankings recently

 

[Recently retired]

We need goal kickers and players who know how to take a mark in the forward 50.

The height to the top of someone's head isn't important. You don't mark the ball with your head.

If Duursma was 4 cms taller, didn't have his freakish running vertical or long arms but still had the same output as a forward this place would be flooded with "he fills a need! we desperately need a forward like that".

But because he did it with a big vertical and long arms and forward craft, rather than the height to the top of his head being above 192cm, he is apparently not needed.

And lets just put aside that the top 10 goal kickers in AFL history were 191cm, 183, 188, 199, 188, 185, 175, 192, 178, 191.

Duursma turned 18 two months ago and is 189 with long arms and big broad shoulders. He's going to be a big kid in a few years. He has good forward craft. He knows how to find the goals. He marks the ball at a similar height to a 198cm player.

He fills a need next to Larkey. He could probably fill a need across half back and be a better intercept mark than Curtin, if we want.

Draft the best available.

This is a really good discussion. Vertical leap, wingspan etc are good indicators about how difficult a marking player will be to defend. I don't think there's much doubt Duursma will be a good marking player both as a connector up the field and a leading option inside F50 who can convert very well.

What he won't be is that dump kick, contested marking forward that we haven't had for some time (maybe CCJ for 2 games mid-season this year but that disappeared quickly) who helps you progress the ball on slow play.

The interesting thing is, with the style Clarkson is putting in place (link with hands, short kicks, move quick & low) is that longer kicking option a priority right now if there isn't a gun available?

Yes, eventually you might need that to get to the top (and hopefully Comben grows into that), but right now Duursma is actually a very good fit for the way Clarko wants to play, he'll get on the end of the running chains that the likes of Sheezel, Scott, Fisher, McKercher, Powell, Goater, Stephens, LDU, Thomas can be very effective in.

He looks like being a genuine leading target, which no one else except Larkey is at the moment.

EDIT: Important to add, while this chat was about him as a marking target, he is so impressive at ground level and with his decision making. He has a level of versatility we haven't seen since Sheezel

 

[King Hansen]

What’s amusing is people flip flopping after all games have been played and testing done

Nothing has changed in the last month
Yet some think some players have shot up the rankings recently

Recruiters do it all the time though. They rewatch tapes and interviews play a part too.

 

[DuckYeah]

One of the concerns re Clarksons game plan from a recently departed player, is lack of elite footskills and run in the back half to execute it.

Expect that to be right at the top of our priority list.

Who’d have thought? Who made that claim? Ziebs? Thats something Ziebs would say. He had the smarts to exit the footy but was running at about 55% getting it out. Its a tough gig moving the ball quickly out of defence. Half back people say is the “easiest” position to play however to do it in the top %ers its the most challenging position. Gotta be a smoking kick and high footy IQ

 

[JGreezy]

Who’d have thought? Who made that claim? Ziebs? Thats something Ziebs would say. He had the smarts to exit the footy but was running at about 55% getting it out. Its a tough gig moving the ball quickly out of defence. Half back people say is the “easiest” position to play however to do it in the top %ers its the most challenging position. Gotta be a smoking kick and high footy IQ

Need to be a good, quick, decision maker under pressure. Which is why Sheezel excelled.

 

[DuckYeah]

Talk about Curtins game is that he’s not a lockdown defender and more a rebounder/ reader of play.
At his size he’ll only get slower as he gets bigger - it’s not a great recipe for rebounding

Who said successful teams need a “lockdown” defender? Its a 2 v 1 system in strong premiership defending. It’s completely unnecessary. Its a thing of the past. The game is too quick to worry about a lockdown defence

 

[Tas]

Harley already in Nic Nat areas in WA.
Front and back cover of today's paper and four pages on him.

Going to be more pressure on him than a zit on a teenager's chin.

 

[Makeshift Park]

We need goal kickers and players who know how to take a mark in the forward 50.

The height to the top of someone's head isn't important. You don't mark the ball with your head.

If Duursma was 4 cms taller, didn't have his freakish running vertical or long arms but still had the same output as a forward this place would be flooded with "he fills a need! we desperately need a forward like that".

But because he did it with a big vertical and long arms and forward craft, rather than the height to the top of his head being above 192cm, he is apparently not needed.

And lets just put aside that the top 10 goal kickers in AFL history were 191cm, 183, 188, 199, 188, 185, 175, 192, 178, 191.

Duursma turned 18 two months ago and is 189 with long arms and big broad shoulders. He's going to be a big kid in a few years. He has good forward craft. He knows how to find the goals. He marks the ball at a similar height to a 198cm player.

He fills a need next to Larkey. He could probably fill a need across half back and be a better intercept mark than Curtin, if we want.

Draft the best available.

It will be interesting to see how Clarko coordinates George and Duursma as a combo of strong leap / strong overhead mark / strong finishing in tween-sized bodies.

 

[ReverseKanga]

What’s amusing is people flip flopping after all games have been played and testing done

Nothing has changed in the last month
Yet some think some players have shot up the rankings recently

You also wanted Sam Hayes and Will Kelly. So I wouldn’t say you have an eye for talent.

 

[The Nostradamus]

You also wanted Sam Hayes and Will Kelly. So I wouldn’t say you have an eye for talent.

As DFAs yeah I do

They fill a need for free and worst case we chop them after one year

 

[DuckYeah]

Me reading another post about why we should take an undersized WA backman over the ultra skilled Victorian kid who is clearly the next Harry Sheezel.

I should be all over the Power boy. But I watched the highlights package blokes round here have been flogging over.. im starting to think this draft is incredibly underwhelming.

Ketchup and Curtin

 

[Psicosis]

I should be all over the Power boy. But I watched the highlights package blokes round here have been flogging over.. im starting to think this draft is incredibly underwhelming.

Ketchup and Curtin

How many u18 games you watch?

 

[The Nostradamus]

I should be all over the Power boy. But I watched the highlights package blokes round here have been flogging over.. im starting to think this draft is incredibly underwhelming.

Ketchup and Curtin

Watch more watto highlights then

Very fun player to watch

 

[perplexed]

Dursma will not play back he is the next generation tall marking half forward. The way he moves and the way he marks at its peak and his Allround skills reminds me of an 18 yo who I saw debut in Round 11 1989.

He will play on a half fwd flank as the 3rd tall with Larkey and the resting s**t truck Xerri/CCJ and kick 50 goals a year. Curtis as the regular pocket and Zurhaar with George Thomas Stephenson et al rotating through

Dursma sets up the modern forward line for the next 10 years.

Yeah, that sounds fine, though he isn't particularly tall. But I'm not particularly concerned about our forward line. With or without Duursma, we have enough talent to make it functional if we can move the ball effectively. The backline remains the worry. Unless we fix it, it won't matter how well set up our forward line is.

 

[Val Keating]

Going to be more pressure on him than a zit on a teenager's chin.

He will no matter where he goes. He’s the most hyped draftee ever

 

[Chadwiko]

The backline remains the worry. Unless we fix it, it won't matter how well set up our forward line is.

This is why I disagree with the 'play Sheezel forward this year' crowd.

He was the shining light in our backline last year. Won the Syd Barker and the Rising Star. And with Logue's ACL and the loss of McKay to *, our backline got worse.

Taking Sheezel out of the backline as well doesn't make a whole heap of sense to me, personally. Even if you add in Fisher.

 

[LeFtBehinD]

He will no matter where he goes. He’s the most hyped draftee ever

Only until next years draft, when ‘one recruiter believes the no.1 pick is the most talented player he’s ever seen’

 

[DesertRoo]

Dursma will not play back he is the next generation tall marking half forward. The way he moves and the way he marks at its peak and his Allround skills reminds me of an 18 yo who I saw debut in Round 11 1989.

He will play on a half fwd flank as the 3rd tall with Larkey and the resting s**t truck Xerri/CCJ and kick 50 goals a year. Curtis as the regular pocket and Zurhaar with George Thomas Stephenson et al rotating through

Dursma sets up the modern forward line for the next 10 years.

And watch all of them jog after opposing players as they run off the back half, yuck, we need to change the structure forward, which includes two fleet a foot smalls.