Review 2023 National Draft Review Thread II [McKercher, Z.Duursma, Goad, W.Dawson, Hardeman, Maley]

[shintemaster]

Reposting RF08 Tier list below. Perhaps we could add this and souup tier list to top page?

Tier 1
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Jed Walter
Harley Reid
Colby McKercher

Tier 2
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Ryley Sanders
Daniel Curtin
Zane Duursma
Nick Watson
Connor O'Sullivan

Tier 3
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Nate Caddy
Ethan Read
Jake Rogers
Darcy Wilson
Mitch Edwards

Tier 4
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Joel Freijah
Caleb Windsor
Oliver Murphy
Jordan Croft
Riley Hardeman
Clay Hall
Will McCabe
Arie Schoemaker
Archer Reid
Angus Hastie
James Leake
Harry DeMattia

Next Best
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Logan Morris
Jack Delean
George Stevens
Nathan Philcatides
Koltyn Tholstrup
Archie Roberts


If we could get McKercher plus 2 players from tier 2 that would be a good result for mine.

It all comes down to the club and their rating of these players, but if those ratings align with yours - then yes. I personally agree that McKercher plus 2 from Tier 2 is a superior result.

 

[Sphynx]

If we managed to get GC pick..

All three of Mckercher/Curtin/Watson would be an incredible result.

My gut feel after Rawlings interview is North might be going for something like Reid, Watson and Sanders tbh.

Not that I think that's the perfect fit, but I could see it.

Trade down from 3 (But still get Watson), which gives us capital for WC and Reid.

Use a combo of 14, 19, 2 x PP's, F2 to add to the WC deal and send the rest to get GC's or another pick for Sanders.


I think if we are legitimately making a play for Reid, you can rule out McKercher. We can't have both.

He specifically said "we know where we want to pick and what group we want to pick from" - This reads to me like they are going to trade down and maximise capital.

I don't love this, as it's going to severely hinder our ability to add 2-3 really high end role players (KPD's, ruck, small defenders etc) around the 15-25 range.

I think there's too much smoke from Twomey etc regarding us making a play for Reid, to not consider us making a play for pick 1 central in this with 2 mid top 10 propects like Watson and Sanders vs trading down from 3 and getting say Curtin & Watson with someone like Sanders.

It's really going to come down to Reid vs McKercher and whether that outweighs Curtin vs Sanders (+ some picks around 20)

 

[Makeshift Park]

I think if we are legitimately making a play for Reid, you can rule out McKercher. We can't have both.

Only if WC definitely go for him at 2 instead of Curtin, which, altho probable, doesn't seem that certain to me?

 

[Sphynx]

Only if WC definitely go for him at 2 instead of Curtin, which doesn't seem that certain to me?

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I'm basing this on the assumption we move down from 3.

And hold something like 1,5,7 on draft night and West Coast end up with 2 top 10 picks.

There's a huge amount of shuffling to happen, but I think there's a few non negotiables.

• West Coast will want two quality picks and probably 2 or 3 as a minimum included in any deal.
• My gut feel says Rawlings wants Reid & 2 of Watson, McKercher, Sanders, Curtin or Duursma.

I think if we end up with pick 1 AND 2 other top 10 picks, the rest of our draft hand has been effectively nuked. Including next years PP's.

 

[MagicDaw]

I was really keen on adding another elite runner with pick 14. Someone like Wilson, Freijah or Windsor.

With Stephens & Fisher joining us I think that need for outside run is less of a priority. In the event we keep 14 & 19 I’m tipping we are going to go tall.

Who would you pick if that's the case.
Edwards, schoenmaker?

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Based on Rawlings interview, I'm pretty much ignoring our current draft hand and thinking about possibilities for the next fortnight.

I'm hoping it's just a case of targeting Pick 4/Pick 10 with the PP's etc, but I'm not holding my breath.

It sounds extremely unlikely we are going to hold either Pick 2 or Pick 3 come draft night imo.

That's fair, it definitely came across that there are some serious plans afoot.

I really hope we don't screw the pooch on this one, this could be the most important draft in the history of the club.

 

[roomagic1984]

This would have been a whole lot easier if we just lost our last game!

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Who would you pick if that's the case.
Edwards, schoenmaker?

Schoenmaker could be available with later picks, Edwards won't be. I don't rate our rucks at all so I'd be happy to go with Edwards.

 

[krakouers]

Schoenmaker could be available with later picks, Edwards won't be. I don't rate our rucks at all so I'd be happy to go with Edwards.

So what’s the big rumour about Edwards?

 

[Makeshift Park]

I'm basing this on the assumption we move down from 3.

And hold something like 1,5,7 on draft night and West Coast end up with 2 top 10 picks.

There's a huge amount of shuffling to happen, but I think there's a few non negotiables.

• West Coast will want two quality picks and probably 2 or 3 as a minimum included in any deal.
• My gut feel says Rawlings wants Reid & 2 of Watson, McKercher, Sanders, Curtin or Duursma.

I think if we end up with pick 1 AND 2 other top 10 picks, the rest of our draft hand has been effectively nuked. Including next years PP's.

Geez that's a handy bit of work, if we can pull off a series of trades where the non-negotiables are:

• WC turns 1 into 2 top 10 draft picks (2 being one of those),
• NM turns 2 and 3 into 3 top 10 draft picks
• NM gets 1

Happy days indeed.

I reckon you're right that 7 is an obvious target for us, since its conceivable that Geelong will seek to diversify that pick.

But then Sanders or Watson would have to slide for us to get them there. So I think its more likely to be Caddy or O'Sullivan with our third pick in the top 10, should that eventuate?

 

[The Nostradamus]

This would have been a whole lot easier if we just lost our last game!

Unfortunately the players are short sighted and wanted a short dopamine hit heading into holidays

 

[Sphynx]

That's fair, it definitely came across that there are some serious plans afoot.

I really hope we don't screw the pooch on this one, this could be the most important draft in the history of the club.

Agree.

I'm only onboard with Reid if we can secure another 2 of McKercher, Sanders, Watson, Duursma, Curtin or O'Sullivan.

Even then, I'd want to see the details of the deal to ensure we haven't traded away our first born in the process.

We have the strongest draft hand we've had in 23 years, since 2000 (6,8,14,23).

IF the McKay compo comes through, we have 7 top 20 picks over the next 2 drafts.

I really hope we don't turn 7 x R1 picks into 3 or 4 or something, just chasing Reid.

If we are chasing Reid, I'm comfortable moving down from 3 to pay for it, if it means Watson. I think trying to get Reid AND a top 3 pick would be a mistake, we will burn way to much capital.

 

[Sphynx]

Geez that's a handy bit of work, if we can pull off a series of trades where the non-negotiables are:

• WC turns 1 into 2 top 10 draft picks (2 being one of those),
• NM turns 2 and 3 into 3 top 10 draft picks
• NM gets 1

Happy days indeed.

I reckon you're right that 7 is an obvious target for us, since its conceivable that Geelong will seek to diversify that pick.

But then Sanders or Watson would have to slide for us to get them there. So I think its more likely to be Caddy or O'Sullivan with our third pick in the top 10, should that eventuate?

By Pick 7, I'm referring to GC's or GWS' pick rather than Geelongs.

I think there's no doubt there's going to be an absolute mega trade of a group holding top 5 picks likely involving North, West Coast, Gold Coast, Melbourne and then maybe 1 of GWS, Hawthorn or Geelong.

It's been all quiet on the GWS front, but I think their pick (The Tigers pick) would be gettable. Everyone is linking them to O'Sullivan. But they just took Leek Aleer, Buckley has looked absolutely unreal this season and they have the best 1 on 1 defender in the game in Sam Taylor.

GWS have the best KPD stocks in the league. I think GWS' pick gets O'Sullivan or Sanders also.

 

[Passmore]

Of course he's grinning. We either trade up for Reid or take McKercher at 2. He's probably dreaming of getting them both.

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[kool kangas]

l think if done right we could end up with picks 2,3,5,7,8...and still have all our own future picks..but then again we are relying on Brady so who knows...

 

[Better Loosen Up]

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What’s everyone’s thoughts on this (personally think it’s overs).

"Probably the only way the deal gets done". Which d/head is coming up with these bs deals?

For starters we are giving up 7187 draft points for 4878. Absolutely ridiculous!

Then you have Gold Coast taking a deal where by they are getting pick 41 instead of the F1 that's on the table from the Bulldogs essentially. Insanely stupid!

 

[JGreezy]

l think if done right we could end up with picks 2,3,5,7,8...and still have all our own future picks..but then again we are relying on Brady so who knows...

If thats your standard then you are setting yourself up for disappointment and probably expecting some trades that other sides wouldn't make.

 

[kool kangas]

If thats your standard then you are setting yourself up for disappointment and probably expecting some trades that other sides wouldn't make.

we can all dream........

 

[Better Loosen Up]

If we get GC pick - I’d take mckercher at 2
Watson at 3
Curtin at GC pick

Doubt very much dawks would take another tall that high after the DGB debacle

There's just no possible way I can get my head around using pick 2 or 3 on Watson. It's just simply not worth it. He continues to slip in every draft experts rankings. I just don't get the relentless love affair for him on here. Especially when we desperately need KPP's. I'd take O'Sullivan over him anyday!

 

[LB2Snake]

There's just no possible way I can get my head around using pick 2 or 3 on Watson. It's just simply not worth it. He continues to slip in every draft experts rankings. I just don't get the relentless love affair for him on here. Especially when we desperately need KPP's.

I'm with ya......but people will say "a small forward just won the Norm Smith". I'd like him, for sure, but not at pick 2 or 3.......better for later on.

 

[Firebat]

Conceptual trade for everyone to lose their shit on.

If the Baggers need future picks for Campo brothers and we want immediate injection of talent:

NMFC IN: Blues 2023 pick 14 and Fisher

BLUES IN: NMFC 2024 pick 20, 2024 third round pick (expected to be around 37-41) and 2024 fourth round pick (expected to be around 54-57).

Total 2024 draft points exchanged to Baggers is around 1,544.

Blues pick 14 (which is really 17) is about 1,116 or something. The surplus points is a selection around the 40s, which is probably around the mark for Zac.

Both clubs win?

 

[TruRoos7]

We have to use up those 2 PP’s from next year just in case, so yes we might have 7 “1st rounders” but definitely have to be gone before next year we can’t afford to risk losing them ..

 

[roos_fanatic08]

So what’s the big rumour about Edwards?

I haven't heard any rumours about Edwards.

It's been all quiet on the GWS front, but I think their pick (The Tigers pick) would be gettable. Everyone is linking them to O'Sullivan. But they just took Leek Aleer, Buckley has looked absolutely unreal this season and they have the best 1 on 1 defender in the game in Sam Taylor.

GWS have the best KPD stocks in the league. I think GWS' pick gets O'Sullivan or Sanders also.

It's weird that GWS have been linked to O'Sullivan. Their key backs and key forward depth is pretty solid.

I would've thought a hard runner like Darcy Wilson would be perfect for them on a wing.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Conceptual trade for everyone to lose their s**t on.

If the Baggers need future picks for Campo brothers and we want immediate injection of talent:

NMFC IN: Blues 2023 pick 14 and Fisher

BLUES IN: NMFC 2024 pick 20, 2024 third round pick (expected to be around 37-41) and 2024 fourth round pick (expected to be around 54-57).

Total 2024 draft points exchanged to Baggers is around 1,544.

Blues pick 14 (which is really 17) is about 1,116 or something. The surplus points is a selection around the 40s, which is probably around the mark for Zac.

Both clubs win?

Has potential, but I doubt Carlton will want to trade out of the first round this year. It's quite easy to accumulate picks in the later 2nd round and 3rd rounds to get points.

 

[Shinboner1]

Conceptual trade for everyone to lose their s**t on.

If the Baggers need future picks for Campo brothers and we want immediate injection of talent:

NMFC IN: Blues 2023 pick 14 and Fisher

BLUES IN: NMFC 2024 pick 20, 2024 third round pick (expected to be around 37-41) and 2024 fourth round pick (expected to be around 54-57).

Total 2024 draft points exchanged to Baggers is around 1,544.

Blues pick 14 (which is really 17) is about 1,116 or something. The surplus points is a selection around the 40s, which is probably around the mark for Zac.

Both clubs win?

no way pick 14 is any part of the trade deal.